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Diet for breastfeeding

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 04, 2011 at 12:33 AM

My wife and I are going to have a baby very soon. I've tried my best to keep her diet as solid as possible. I'm concerned with having her be able to breastfeed for as long as possible- at least a year.

I know there are foods traditionally considered to support breastfeeding. What do y'all know about this, and the science of nutrition to support breastfeeding.

And yes, I plan on plunking down the cash for Chris Kresser's "Healthy Baby Code", but I'd be interested in hearing from your experiences.

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(70)

on June 13, 2012
at 03:20 PM

Make sure she has good support from a lactation consultant. All hospitals have them on staff and most offer classes for help with any issues.

38dc9448a52fef25672c8ef6e17e8efc

(70)

on June 13, 2012
at 03:19 PM

I never gave my kids the vitamin D drops but we live in FL so a few minutes of sunshine is never hard to come by. I also stopped my prenatals when they started eating more solids since I get plenty of iron from my diet. My middle son had issues with dairy. I couldn't eat or drink dairy products or he'd be miserable. A lot of it is just trial and error. I wouldn't focus on weight loss for a while. She'll probably be hungry in the beginning which may make weight loss difficult, or she may lose it quickly due to nursing. Again it varies, I've lost weight quickly after 2 and gained after 1.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on June 07, 2011
at 03:06 AM

As to toxins stored in fat, that is more plausible. I don't really know much about it, and it could be an argument against losing weight while breastfeeding. I did find at least one study that found no increase in breast milk contaminants during weight loss: http://jhl.sagepub.com/content/15/4/307.short

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on June 07, 2011
at 02:49 AM

Okay, now I understand better where you are coming from. So there are two separate issues. First, the notion that ketones are toxic is a fairly common confusion of dietary ketosis with diabetic ketoacidosis. Diabetic ketoacidosis can only occur in type I diabetics, as a result of lack of insulin. In this extremely dangerous situation, the blood is both high in ketones and high in glucose, which makes the ketones unusable and they build up to very high levels. This high glucose + high ketones could never happen in a non-diabetic because of normal feedback mechanisms.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on June 06, 2011
at 12:55 PM

I feel all mothers should lose weight at a slow and healthy rate so that they reduce a number of issues with rapid weight-loss.

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on June 06, 2011
at 12:55 PM

What I have learned in my lactation classes is that body breaks down fat cells creating toxic acids also known as ketones (we all know what they are). At dangerously high levels the toxic acids cause coma or death in diabetics. The important thing is to lose weight while you are breastfeeding slowly and avoid ketosis. Many environmental toxins are fat soluble, the faster you lose the more toxins in your milk. Daily exposure to pesticides and environmental toxicants is not OK in my book. And this is the toxins you are speaking of.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on June 06, 2011
at 12:54 PM

Have you read any real research about this that you can share with me. Just wonder if can enlighten me on your reasoning, I am very interested to think outside the box.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on June 06, 2011
at 09:46 AM

Breastfeeding is so beneficial in so many ways that I would say a resounding yes, it is worth the risk of transmitting toxins stored in the fat cells. But ketosis has nothing to do with it.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on June 06, 2011
at 09:44 AM

That's an interesting idea, and I agree there must be some risk of toxins from fat storage being transmitted, but it doesn't have anything to do with ketosis specifically. If toxins stored in your body fat are released into breast milk, then that would happen if you lost body fat regardless of whether the fat loss was aided by ketosis or not. And since women pretty much universally have some body fat that gets shed post-partum, you'd have to advocate no breastfeeding across the board to be consistent, and especially no breastfeeding by fat women.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 06, 2011
at 09:09 AM

The toxins stored in your body fat, in which come from a variety of different sources. It all depends on the person and what they have ingested and how their body metabolizes. They may very well do no harm to a child, but then again they may. No one really knows, as I said there is not enough research done. But my point is that is it worth the risk?

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on June 05, 2011
at 10:58 PM

Can you be more specific about these toxins? Of course I don't assume that just because no problems are evident now, that none are latent. But since there have been successful traditional cultures who lived primarily in ketosis, and since I've not so far seen any compelling evidence of risk, and since my not being in ketosis is significantly bad for my health, it is hands-down our best alternative.

Eea4c0f072bb5caa74c1fbe6dfab5f46

(942)

on June 05, 2011
at 02:19 PM

Fenugreek and Raspberry leaf teas are also excellent for breast feeding mamas.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 01:13 PM

To sum it up: you can be Paleo and eat good carbs (i.e. no starch vegetables) until you are done breastfeeding. And avoid any risk that exposes your child to unwanted toxins. If you eat right and are active you will lose the weight ketosis or not. I did it without ketosis and lost 85lbs! This is nothing against you and I am sure you are a good mother and love your baby. I just feel this is a important issue that should be addressed. Until there is real research done and soild proof that those toxins do not harm infants, I will support the idea it's best to avoid ketosis while breast-feeding.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 01:13 PM

The truth is that there is not enough research to know just exactly how harmful those toxins are to an infant. But in my opinion is weight-loss really that important to risk it? Itis good to avoid exposure to your infant. So I do think mommy will need some good carbohydrates to avoid ketosis so to lower the risk of toxins expressed through her breast-milk. Just as you yourself don't like to eat food with additives or would want to feed your baby food with additives why would you purposely encourage your breast-milk to have additives?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 01:13 PM

It's not about the baby being in ketosis its about mommy being in ketosis and the toxins expressed in the breast milk during mommy's ketosis. The lack of research done on the effects of those toxins given to a infant through expressed breast milk is just not enough to risk it. The toxins do go into the breast milk, that is a fact! Rather the number of toxins is high or low it is still happening. So now is it worth the risk to just assume it's ok because your child seems to not be affected by it? I am in no way against ketosis, just against toxins.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 01:06 PM

To sum it up: you can be Paleo and eat good carbs (i.e. no starch vegetables) until you are done breastfeeding. And avoid any risk that exposes your child to unwanted toxins. If you eat right and are active you will lose the weight ketosis or not. I did it without ketosis and lost 85lbs! This is nothing against you and I am sure you are a good mother and love your baby. I just feel this is a important issue that should be addressed. Until there is real research done and soild proof that those toxins do not harm infants, I will support the idea it's best to avoid ketosis while breast-feeding.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 01:02 PM

The truth is that there is not enough research to know just exactly how harmful those toxins are to an infant. But in my opinion is weight-loss really that important to risk it? Itis good to avoid exposure to your infant. So I do think mommy will need some good carbohydrates to avoid ketosis so to lower the risk of toxins expressed through her breast-milk. Just as you yourself don't like to eat food with additives or would want to feed your baby food with additives why would you purposely encourage your breast-milk to have additives?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 01:01 PM

It's not about the baby being in ketosis its about mommy being in ketosis and the toxins expressed in the breast milk during mommy's ketosis. The lack of research done on the effects of those toxins given to a infant through expressed breast milk is just not enough to risk it. The toxins do go into the breast milk, that is a fact! Rather the number of toxins is high or low it is still happening. So now is it worth the risk to just assume it's ok because your child seems to not be affected by it? I am in now way against ketosis, just against toxins.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:39 AM

So to sum it up: you can be Paleo and eat good carbs (i.e. no starch vegetables) until you are done breastfeeding. And avoid any risk that exposes your child to unwanted toxins. If you eat right and are active you will lose the weight ketosis or not. I did it without ketosis and lost 85 lbs! This is nothing against you and I am sure you are a good mother and love your baby. I just feel this is a important issue that should be addressed.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:38 AM

The truth is that there is not enough research to know just exactly how harmful those toxins are to an infant. But in my opinion is weight-loss really that important to risk it? It's way less selfish to avoid exposure to your infant. So yes I think mommy will need some good carbohydrates to avoid ketosis so to lower the risk of toxins expressed through her breast-milk. Just as you yourself don't like to eat food with additives or would want to feed your baby food with additives why would you purposely encourage your breast-milk to have additives?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:23 AM

So to sum it up: you can be Paleo and eat good carbs (i.e. no starch vegetables) until you are done breastfeeding. And avoid any risk that exposes your child to unwanted toxins. If you eat right and are active you will lose the weight ketosis or not. I did it without ketosis and lost 85 lbs! This is nothing against you, and I am sure you are a good mother and love your baby. I just feel this is a important issue that should be addressed.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:18 AM

So to sum it up: you can be Paleo and eat good carbs (i.e. no starch vegetables) until your done breastfeeding. And avoid any risk that exposes your child to unwanted toxins. If you eat right and are active you will lose the weight ketosis or not. I did it without ketosis and lost 85 lbs! This is nothing against you, and I am sure you are a good mother and love your baby. I just feel this is a important issue that should be addressed.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:17 AM

The truth is that there is not enough research to know just exactly how harmful those toxins are to an infant. But in my opinion is weight-loss really that important to risk it? It's way less selfish to avoid exposure to your infant in my opinion. So yes I think mommy will need some good carbohydrates to avoid ketosis so to lower the risk of toxins expressed through her breast-milk. Just as you yourself don't like to eat food with additives or would want to feed your baby food with additives why would you purposely encourage your breast-milk to have additives?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:17 AM

It's not about the baby being in ketosis its about mommy being in ketosis and the toxins expressed in the breast milk during mommy's ketosis. The lack of research done on the affects of those toxins given to a infant through expressed breast milk is just not enough to risk it. The toxins do go into the breast milk, that is a fact! Rather that number is high or low it is happening. So now is it worth the risk to just assume it's ok because your child seems to not be affected by it?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:13 AM

So to sum it up: you can be Paleo and eat good carbs (i.e. no starch vegetables) until your done breastfeeding. And avoid any risk that exposes your child to unwanted toxins. If you eat right and are active you will lose the weight ketosis or not. I did it without ketosis and lost 85 lbs!

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:12 AM

So to sum it up: you can be Paleo and eat good carbs (i.e. no starch vegetables) until your done breastfeeding. And avoid any risk that exposes your child to unwanted toxins. If you eat right and are active you will lose the weight ketosis or not. I did it and lost 85 lbs!

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:10 AM

So to sum it up: you can be Paleo and eat good carbs until your done breastfeeding. And avoid any risk that exposes your child to unwanted toxins. If you eat right and are active you will lose the weight ketosis or not. I did it and lost 85 lbs!

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:08 AM

The truth is that there is not enough research to know just exactly how harmful those toxins are to an infant. But in my opinion is weight-loss really that important to risk it? It's way less selfish to avoid exposure to your infant in my opinion. So yes I think mommy will need some good carbohydrates to avoid ketosis so to lower the risk of toxins expressed through her breast-milk. Just as you yourself don't like to eat food with additives or would want to feed your baby food with additives why would you purposely encourage your breast-milk to have additives?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:06 AM

It's not about the baby being in ketosis its about mommy being in ketosis and the toxins expressed in the breast milk during mommy's ketosis. The lack of research done on the affects of those toxins given to a infant through expressed breast milk is just not enough to risk it. The toxins do go into the breast milk, that is a fact! Rather the number is high or low it is happening. Now Truly is it worth the risk to just assume it's ok because your child seems to not be affected by it?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 08:44 AM

So yes I think mommy will need some good carbohydrates to avoid ketosis so to lower the risk of toxins expressed through her breast-milk. Just as you yourself don't like to eat food with additives or would want to feed your baby food with additives why would you purposely encourage your breast-milk to have additives?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 08:44 AM

So yes I think mommy will need some good carbohydrates to avoid ketosis so to lower the risk of toxins expressed through her breast-milk. Just as you yourself don't like to eat food with additives or would want to feed y9our baby food with additives why would you purposely encourage your breast-milk to have additives?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 08:22 AM

So yes I think mommy will need some good carbs to avoid ketosis so to lower the number of toxins expressed through her breast milk.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 08:22 AM

It's not about the baby being in ketosis its about the toxins expressed during mommy's ketosis and the lack of research done on the affects of those toxins given to a infant through expressed breast milk. The toxins do go into the breast milk. That is a fact! Rather the number is high or low it is happening. Now the fact is that there is not enough research to know just exactly how harmful those toxins are to an infant. But in my opinion is weight-loss really that important to risk it?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 08:17 AM

It's not about the baby being in ketosis its about the toxins expressed during mommy's ketosis and the lack of research done on the affects of those toxins given to a infant through expressed breast milk. The toxins do go into the breast milk. That is a fact! Rather the number is high or low it is happening. Now the fact is that there is not enough research to know just exactly how harmful those toxins are to an infant. But in my opinion is weight-loss really that important to risk it?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 08:16 AM

It's not about the baby being in ketosis its about the toxins expressed during ketosis and the lack of research done on the affects of those toxins given to a infant through expressed breast milk. The toxins do go into the breast milk. That is a fact! Rather the number is high or low it is happening. Now the fact is that there is not enough research to know just exactly how harmful those toxins are to an infant. But in my opinion is weight-loss really that important to risk it?

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on June 05, 2011
at 12:52 AM

On the contrary, infants are in ketosis most of time naturally. It's very safe. And "mommy" doesn't *need* carbs, either. Anecdotally, my baby (now 19 months) and I have been in ketosis nearly continuously since before he was born. We're both very healthy, and incidentally, my milk supply has been as good or better than with the previous two. Still nursing.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on June 04, 2011
at 01:41 PM

I love the Mother's Milk tea sold on Amazon. When I had a few weeks of heavy pumping going on I would estimate that a couple of cups each day boosted my pumped supply of milk by about 30%. It has a mild licoricey taste, though, so if you loathe licorice it may not be for you. I happen to like it, so it worked well for me! http://www.amazon.com/Traditional-Medicinals-Organic-Mothers-16-Count/dp/B0009F3POY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1307194900&sr=8-1

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on June 04, 2011
at 06:26 AM

i posted very similar info. The data on what happens to kids in utero is astounding.

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on June 04, 2011
at 03:33 AM

Read "Deep Nutrition" -- talks about a lot about trans-generational epigenetics and why a woman's health and nutrition are paramount BEFORE she even gets preganant: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0615228380/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=paleohacks-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217153&creative=399349&creativeASIN=0615228380

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on June 04, 2011
at 02:19 AM

I wanted to add that my supply has never suffered due to diet, I do take prenatals, supplement with Vitamin D (4,000 IU's per her Pedi Dr) and take Omega 3's. Yes, keep up with drinking water, I drink 2 liters minimum a day. I also drink coconut water which is a great electrolyte drink.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on June 04, 2011
at 01:45 AM

I second Nina's book and drinking lots of water. My husband's job the first two months was to always keep my water glass full hen he was home. :-)

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 04, 2011
at 01:34 AM

Excellent recommendation: WAPF for sure. La leche league has some decent info too, for a mainstream joint.

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20da74d4abfdbb13b66d6d4e0db1b59b

(195)

on June 04, 2011
at 01:41 AM

I am also breastfeeding (a 10 month old) and eating mostly paleoish, but I started feeding my daughter solids at 6 months. I mostly followed Nina Planck's advice in her book "Real Food for Mother and Baby". My daughter has always self-fed, and has never had "baby cereal" etc. Her first food was mushed avocado, then butter and yogurt.

But you didn't ask about food, you asked about breastfeeding.

I eat everything and haven't noticed any food affecting my baby negatively. I too have lost all the pregnancy weight, and baby is thriving. I think the single most important thing to ensure that breastfeeding continues well and with little effort is that the mother consume enough water. It is so very easy (maybe it's just me?) to neglect to drink water, and you need it if you're going to produce ample milk. Encourage your wife to remember to drink water or at least herbal tea (and there are some good herbs for calming digestion and stimulating milk production) so she doesn't get dehydrated and end up with a reduced milk supply.

Good luck, and enjoy!

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on June 04, 2011
at 01:41 PM

I love the Mother's Milk tea sold on Amazon. When I had a few weeks of heavy pumping going on I would estimate that a couple of cups each day boosted my pumped supply of milk by about 30%. It has a mild licoricey taste, though, so if you loathe licorice it may not be for you. I happen to like it, so it worked well for me! http://www.amazon.com/Traditional-Medicinals-Organic-Mothers-16-Count/dp/B0009F3POY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1307194900&sr=8-1

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on June 04, 2011
at 01:45 AM

I second Nina's book and drinking lots of water. My husband's job the first two months was to always keep my water glass full hen he was home. :-)

Eea4c0f072bb5caa74c1fbe6dfab5f46

(942)

on June 05, 2011
at 02:19 PM

Fenugreek and Raspberry leaf teas are also excellent for breast feeding mamas.

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1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

on June 04, 2011
at 01:33 AM

Check out the Weston price guide for nourishing pregnant and nursing mothers. If you are dairy free obviously find another source of minerals and fats, but it's a good guide. I never had trouble with milk supply or weight gain with my now 6 month old keeping their principles in mind. I am now dairy free but I wasn't at first. http://www.westonaprice.org/Diet-for-Pregnant-and-Nursing-Mothers

I might have just gotten lucky but my son was never collicky, by the second week was sleeping for 5-6 hour stretches at night even though we co-sleep, held his head up the first hour he was born, and has consistently been a month ahead on the milestone charts. He's really happy, healthy, and rarely cries. Super cute too. Has a nice broad face and hasn't been sick once since he was born.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 04, 2011
at 01:34 AM

Excellent recommendation: WAPF for sure. La leche league has some decent info too, for a mainstream joint.

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on June 04, 2011
at 10:55 AM

I don't think there are any foods that are PROVEN to increase supply-- there's anecdotal evidence about oatmeal, but not enough to warrant a paleo going off the wagon for it. Like others said, plenty of water, plenty of good healthy paleo food should do it. If she does have trouble (and I hope she doesn't!) Kellymom.com is a great (not necessarily paleo) resource. I wasn't able to nurse my son and have learned a lot about why not-- perhaps it was the SAD I ate or the SAD my mom ate while pregnant with me. Just glad I'm not repeating the cycle anymore.

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8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

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on June 04, 2011
at 05:38 AM

Hi Nico,

I am a mother of three children, and I breast-fed them all about 2 years each. They are all very healthy, hardly ever get sick and are of a healthy weight.

My advice is to just watch high ketone levels, there is not enough research about their effect on infants and toxins that are expressed through breast-milk. I was very cautious about this, in fact I tried to avoid ketosis all together. I waited to cut carbs real low until I was done breast-feeding each of them. This is a thing you two should also be very careful about! Mommy will need carbs because it's hard work to breastfeed, the body needs to keep up milk supply. And make sure she gets enough calories and keeps taking her vitamins. I stayed on my prenatal vitamins until I stopped breast-feeding. And drink water, avoid caffine.

Infants also should have vitamin D supplement drops, they are good stuff. ;)

Remember it's most important that you give your baby the best, the rest can come later. As long as she eats healthy, gets enough carbs to stay away from ketosis, and takes her vitamins then you guys will be A-OK!

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 08:44 AM

So yes I think mommy will need some good carbohydrates to avoid ketosis so to lower the risk of toxins expressed through her breast-milk. Just as you yourself don't like to eat food with additives or would want to feed y9our baby food with additives why would you purposely encourage your breast-milk to have additives?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 01:13 PM

The truth is that there is not enough research to know just exactly how harmful those toxins are to an infant. But in my opinion is weight-loss really that important to risk it? Itis good to avoid exposure to your infant. So I do think mommy will need some good carbohydrates to avoid ketosis so to lower the risk of toxins expressed through her breast-milk. Just as you yourself don't like to eat food with additives or would want to feed your baby food with additives why would you purposely encourage your breast-milk to have additives?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 08:17 AM

It's not about the baby being in ketosis its about the toxins expressed during mommy's ketosis and the lack of research done on the affects of those toxins given to a infant through expressed breast milk. The toxins do go into the breast milk. That is a fact! Rather the number is high or low it is happening. Now the fact is that there is not enough research to know just exactly how harmful those toxins are to an infant. But in my opinion is weight-loss really that important to risk it?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:17 AM

It's not about the baby being in ketosis its about mommy being in ketosis and the toxins expressed in the breast milk during mommy's ketosis. The lack of research done on the affects of those toxins given to a infant through expressed breast milk is just not enough to risk it. The toxins do go into the breast milk, that is a fact! Rather that number is high or low it is happening. So now is it worth the risk to just assume it's ok because your child seems to not be affected by it?

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on June 05, 2011
at 12:52 AM

On the contrary, infants are in ketosis most of time naturally. It's very safe. And "mommy" doesn't *need* carbs, either. Anecdotally, my baby (now 19 months) and I have been in ketosis nearly continuously since before he was born. We're both very healthy, and incidentally, my milk supply has been as good or better than with the previous two. Still nursing.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 08:22 AM

So yes I think mommy will need some good carbs to avoid ketosis so to lower the number of toxins expressed through her breast milk.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:39 AM

So to sum it up: you can be Paleo and eat good carbs (i.e. no starch vegetables) until you are done breastfeeding. And avoid any risk that exposes your child to unwanted toxins. If you eat right and are active you will lose the weight ketosis or not. I did it without ketosis and lost 85 lbs! This is nothing against you and I am sure you are a good mother and love your baby. I just feel this is a important issue that should be addressed.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:10 AM

So to sum it up: you can be Paleo and eat good carbs until your done breastfeeding. And avoid any risk that exposes your child to unwanted toxins. If you eat right and are active you will lose the weight ketosis or not. I did it and lost 85 lbs!

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 01:13 PM

It's not about the baby being in ketosis its about mommy being in ketosis and the toxins expressed in the breast milk during mommy's ketosis. The lack of research done on the effects of those toxins given to a infant through expressed breast milk is just not enough to risk it. The toxins do go into the breast milk, that is a fact! Rather the number of toxins is high or low it is still happening. So now is it worth the risk to just assume it's ok because your child seems to not be affected by it? I am in no way against ketosis, just against toxins.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:17 AM

The truth is that there is not enough research to know just exactly how harmful those toxins are to an infant. But in my opinion is weight-loss really that important to risk it? It's way less selfish to avoid exposure to your infant in my opinion. So yes I think mommy will need some good carbohydrates to avoid ketosis so to lower the risk of toxins expressed through her breast-milk. Just as you yourself don't like to eat food with additives or would want to feed your baby food with additives why would you purposely encourage your breast-milk to have additives?

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on June 06, 2011
at 09:46 AM

Breastfeeding is so beneficial in so many ways that I would say a resounding yes, it is worth the risk of transmitting toxins stored in the fat cells. But ketosis has nothing to do with it.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 01:13 PM

To sum it up: you can be Paleo and eat good carbs (i.e. no starch vegetables) until you are done breastfeeding. And avoid any risk that exposes your child to unwanted toxins. If you eat right and are active you will lose the weight ketosis or not. I did it without ketosis and lost 85lbs! This is nothing against you and I am sure you are a good mother and love your baby. I just feel this is a important issue that should be addressed. Until there is real research done and soild proof that those toxins do not harm infants, I will support the idea it's best to avoid ketosis while breast-feeding.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 08:16 AM

It's not about the baby being in ketosis its about the toxins expressed during ketosis and the lack of research done on the affects of those toxins given to a infant through expressed breast milk. The toxins do go into the breast milk. That is a fact! Rather the number is high or low it is happening. Now the fact is that there is not enough research to know just exactly how harmful those toxins are to an infant. But in my opinion is weight-loss really that important to risk it?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:08 AM

The truth is that there is not enough research to know just exactly how harmful those toxins are to an infant. But in my opinion is weight-loss really that important to risk it? It's way less selfish to avoid exposure to your infant in my opinion. So yes I think mommy will need some good carbohydrates to avoid ketosis so to lower the risk of toxins expressed through her breast-milk. Just as you yourself don't like to eat food with additives or would want to feed your baby food with additives why would you purposely encourage your breast-milk to have additives?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:38 AM

The truth is that there is not enough research to know just exactly how harmful those toxins are to an infant. But in my opinion is weight-loss really that important to risk it? It's way less selfish to avoid exposure to your infant. So yes I think mommy will need some good carbohydrates to avoid ketosis so to lower the risk of toxins expressed through her breast-milk. Just as you yourself don't like to eat food with additives or would want to feed your baby food with additives why would you purposely encourage your breast-milk to have additives?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:12 AM

So to sum it up: you can be Paleo and eat good carbs (i.e. no starch vegetables) until your done breastfeeding. And avoid any risk that exposes your child to unwanted toxins. If you eat right and are active you will lose the weight ketosis or not. I did it and lost 85 lbs!

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 01:02 PM

The truth is that there is not enough research to know just exactly how harmful those toxins are to an infant. But in my opinion is weight-loss really that important to risk it? Itis good to avoid exposure to your infant. So I do think mommy will need some good carbohydrates to avoid ketosis so to lower the risk of toxins expressed through her breast-milk. Just as you yourself don't like to eat food with additives or would want to feed your baby food with additives why would you purposely encourage your breast-milk to have additives?

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on June 05, 2011
at 10:58 PM

Can you be more specific about these toxins? Of course I don't assume that just because no problems are evident now, that none are latent. But since there have been successful traditional cultures who lived primarily in ketosis, and since I've not so far seen any compelling evidence of risk, and since my not being in ketosis is significantly bad for my health, it is hands-down our best alternative.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:18 AM

So to sum it up: you can be Paleo and eat good carbs (i.e. no starch vegetables) until your done breastfeeding. And avoid any risk that exposes your child to unwanted toxins. If you eat right and are active you will lose the weight ketosis or not. I did it without ketosis and lost 85 lbs! This is nothing against you, and I am sure you are a good mother and love your baby. I just feel this is a important issue that should be addressed.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 01:01 PM

It's not about the baby being in ketosis its about mommy being in ketosis and the toxins expressed in the breast milk during mommy's ketosis. The lack of research done on the effects of those toxins given to a infant through expressed breast milk is just not enough to risk it. The toxins do go into the breast milk, that is a fact! Rather the number of toxins is high or low it is still happening. So now is it worth the risk to just assume it's ok because your child seems to not be affected by it? I am in now way against ketosis, just against toxins.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 06, 2011
at 12:54 PM

Have you read any real research about this that you can share with me. Just wonder if can enlighten me on your reasoning, I am very interested to think outside the box.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 08:44 AM

So yes I think mommy will need some good carbohydrates to avoid ketosis so to lower the risk of toxins expressed through her breast-milk. Just as you yourself don't like to eat food with additives or would want to feed your baby food with additives why would you purposely encourage your breast-milk to have additives?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 08:22 AM

It's not about the baby being in ketosis its about the toxins expressed during mommy's ketosis and the lack of research done on the affects of those toxins given to a infant through expressed breast milk. The toxins do go into the breast milk. That is a fact! Rather the number is high or low it is happening. Now the fact is that there is not enough research to know just exactly how harmful those toxins are to an infant. But in my opinion is weight-loss really that important to risk it?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:13 AM

So to sum it up: you can be Paleo and eat good carbs (i.e. no starch vegetables) until your done breastfeeding. And avoid any risk that exposes your child to unwanted toxins. If you eat right and are active you will lose the weight ketosis or not. I did it without ketosis and lost 85 lbs!

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:06 AM

It's not about the baby being in ketosis its about mommy being in ketosis and the toxins expressed in the breast milk during mommy's ketosis. The lack of research done on the affects of those toxins given to a infant through expressed breast milk is just not enough to risk it. The toxins do go into the breast milk, that is a fact! Rather the number is high or low it is happening. Now Truly is it worth the risk to just assume it's ok because your child seems to not be affected by it?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 01:06 PM

To sum it up: you can be Paleo and eat good carbs (i.e. no starch vegetables) until you are done breastfeeding. And avoid any risk that exposes your child to unwanted toxins. If you eat right and are active you will lose the weight ketosis or not. I did it without ketosis and lost 85lbs! This is nothing against you and I am sure you are a good mother and love your baby. I just feel this is a important issue that should be addressed. Until there is real research done and soild proof that those toxins do not harm infants, I will support the idea it's best to avoid ketosis while breast-feeding.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 05, 2011
at 09:23 AM

So to sum it up: you can be Paleo and eat good carbs (i.e. no starch vegetables) until you are done breastfeeding. And avoid any risk that exposes your child to unwanted toxins. If you eat right and are active you will lose the weight ketosis or not. I did it without ketosis and lost 85 lbs! This is nothing against you, and I am sure you are a good mother and love your baby. I just feel this is a important issue that should be addressed.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on June 06, 2011
at 09:44 AM

That's an interesting idea, and I agree there must be some risk of toxins from fat storage being transmitted, but it doesn't have anything to do with ketosis specifically. If toxins stored in your body fat are released into breast milk, then that would happen if you lost body fat regardless of whether the fat loss was aided by ketosis or not. And since women pretty much universally have some body fat that gets shed post-partum, you'd have to advocate no breastfeeding across the board to be consistent, and especially no breastfeeding by fat women.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 06, 2011
at 09:09 AM

The toxins stored in your body fat, in which come from a variety of different sources. It all depends on the person and what they have ingested and how their body metabolizes. They may very well do no harm to a child, but then again they may. No one really knows, as I said there is not enough research done. But my point is that is it worth the risk?

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 06, 2011
at 12:55 PM

I feel all mothers should lose weight at a slow and healthy rate so that they reduce a number of issues with rapid weight-loss.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on June 07, 2011
at 02:49 AM

Okay, now I understand better where you are coming from. So there are two separate issues. First, the notion that ketones are toxic is a fairly common confusion of dietary ketosis with diabetic ketoacidosis. Diabetic ketoacidosis can only occur in type I diabetics, as a result of lack of insulin. In this extremely dangerous situation, the blood is both high in ketones and high in glucose, which makes the ketones unusable and they build up to very high levels. This high glucose + high ketones could never happen in a non-diabetic because of normal feedback mechanisms.

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 06, 2011
at 12:55 PM

What I have learned in my lactation classes is that body breaks down fat cells creating toxic acids also known as ketones (we all know what they are). At dangerously high levels the toxic acids cause coma or death in diabetics. The important thing is to lose weight while you are breastfeeding slowly and avoid ketosis. Many environmental toxins are fat soluble, the faster you lose the more toxins in your milk. Daily exposure to pesticides and environmental toxicants is not OK in my book. And this is the toxins you are speaking of.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on June 07, 2011
at 03:06 AM

As to toxins stored in fat, that is more plausible. I don't really know much about it, and it could be an argument against losing weight while breastfeeding. I did find at least one study that found no increase in breast milk contaminants during weight loss: http://jhl.sagepub.com/content/15/4/307.short

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06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on June 04, 2011
at 01:00 AM

See this posting about a paleobaby in Hawaii. Lots of good tips.

http://hawaiianlibertarian.blogspot.com/2011/05/paleo-baby.html

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1b5811a5f7a6bff7c14744c917a9e293

on August 11, 2012
at 05:15 PM

The best way to ensure that breastfeeding works is doing it often, every few hours in the first few days. Practice and patience! Having good support and correct information is important. Not all hospitals have Lactation Consultants and rarely do they have 24/7 support.

Drinking more fluids will not increase your milk supply. Being very dehydrated will decrease your supply but as long as your urine is light colored and you drink when you are thirsty you are fine. The best way to know if your baby is getting enough is if they are gaining weight.

I'm not sure that all babies need Vit D if mom's levels are ok.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 04, 2011
at 02:13 AM

Two key factors are the omega 3 content and vitamin D status of the momma.....if they are good all is well for the epigenetic programming of the child.......if not the shit hits the fan and limits the child development and sets the pathways for future chronic disease. Sounds like hyperbole but its not. Cancer researchers are finding out that IGF1 signaling that fuels growth as a child set up higher risks for oncogenesis. What happens to a child effects the DNA and RNA immediately and effects geno and phenotypic development. Deep stuff but important and will continue to become more important

0
B219dd399cdf123380277584eb84c771

on June 13, 2012
at 02:10 PM

Look into having her placenta encapsulated. There is anecdotal evidence that not only does it help lessen the chances of postpartum depression, it could help her milk supply as well along with other benefits.

0
673f7ad6052448d51496f177395416b7

on June 04, 2012
at 04:11 PM

Very interesting thought about the body trying to prevent toxins from fat loss from entering the milk supply- could this be why some women gain weight while breastfeeding- the body's acknowledgment that the fat stores contain toxins that would be harmful to the baby if released?

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22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

(5773)

on June 05, 2011
at 11:59 AM

Chris kresser of The Healthy Skeptic just put out a series on How to grow a healthy baby. He's done some extensive research on the topic.

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89d6f9abf1af437fcfeb77d69c016ad7

on June 04, 2011
at 01:21 AM

I have eaten Primal/Paleo during my pregnancy (had a very healthy pregnancy mind you) and I am currently breastfeeding (8 months now). The only things I had to omit out of my diet for the first 6 months of breastfeeding was eggs, my baby did not tolerate them. Now she does. And some of the gassy veggies the first 3 months. The cheat foods I have are quinoa, brown rice and brown rice pasta (those are my comfort foods). She is thriving and the diet helps with my engery levels (which plumemet during the first 6 months due to exhaustion!). I lost all my pregnancy weight very quickly, my body is back to what it was before and I know this is due to my diet. She is now eating solids (in addition to breast milk) and I am feeding her paleo friendly foods, sweet potatoes (she loves!) and some brown rice cereal a couple times a week. She is thriving, energetic happy liitle girl! Congrats to you!

89d6f9abf1af437fcfeb77d69c016ad7

on June 04, 2011
at 02:19 AM

I wanted to add that my supply has never suffered due to diet, I do take prenatals, supplement with Vitamin D (4,000 IU's per her Pedi Dr) and take Omega 3's. Yes, keep up with drinking water, I drink 2 liters minimum a day. I also drink coconut water which is a great electrolyte drink.

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(70)

on June 13, 2012
at 03:20 PM

Make sure she has good support from a lactation consultant. All hospitals have them on staff and most offer classes for help with any issues.

38dc9448a52fef25672c8ef6e17e8efc

(70)

on June 13, 2012
at 03:19 PM

I never gave my kids the vitamin D drops but we live in FL so a few minutes of sunshine is never hard to come by. I also stopped my prenatals when they started eating more solids since I get plenty of iron from my diet. My middle son had issues with dairy. I couldn't eat or drink dairy products or he'd be miserable. A lot of it is just trial and error. I wouldn't focus on weight loss for a while. She'll probably be hungry in the beginning which may make weight loss difficult, or she may lose it quickly due to nursing. Again it varies, I've lost weight quickly after 2 and gained after 1.

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