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Increasing Breast Milk!

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Created March 19, 2012 at 8:44 AM

Hi, Just delivered my little baby boy last Sunday all natural birth it went great, I was in labor 4 hours and he was my first! My biggest concern now is feeding. I can't seem to breastfeed him because despite seeing countless LC's he is tearing my nipples! So I've resorted to pumping but I feel like I'm not pumping enough. My husband fights me and says baby isn't getting enough nutrition. I disagree but he bought formula and gives it to him when I don't pump enough.. Im not paleo instead Im gorging on carbs right now I use to do paleo but all I care about is baby and feeding him. I heard carbs are neccessary but I really question that theory. I also started Motherlove More Milk but have not notcied much of an increase yet. Im trying to drink more water and my stress level has been high as well as lack of sleep.. Any comments thoughts help, please! I also made a homemade baby formula tonight via Weston Price that uses raw cow milk and cream as well as other ingredients but I really just want to provide him my milk..

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on December 24, 2013
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9ce78c27a506960f3e4254727b024b75

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Thanks, I've seen three Lac. Specialist one from La Leche but my son fights me so much his tongue is totally disorganization and he gums me also he is not tongue tied but has a short frenulum. I'm happy that worked out for you! sounds like your son has a smart and strong mother I'm trying to hang in funny I thought labor was hard, ha!

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on March 25, 2012
at 01:40 PM

4oz is great output! I get 3oz tops. I am bfing now, but nipples still hurt (due to Raynaud's and a not-perfect latch, I believe). I supplemented with pumped milk in a bottle after breast for about a week and then went back to breast only. Then I introduced an occasional bottle again last week, and use them only when nipples are too sore or I'm away from baby. I did have to power through a lot of pain to keep bfing. Sucks but it's not as bad as it was. I'm still working on the latch and hoping it will get less painful over time. If he's getting your milk, don't worry where it comes from.

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on March 23, 2012
at 04:09 PM

Ouch I feel for her I had scabs. I am trying to get another Lac Spec. until than Im pumping. Im also going to check into domperidone.

9ce78c27a506960f3e4254727b024b75

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on March 23, 2012
at 04:08 PM

Good suggestion I've been told to give him a little before starting because he gets really frantic and he starts crying and screaming and than my nipple shield would fall off and all hell breaks loose.. Thanks

9ce78c27a506960f3e4254727b024b75

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on March 23, 2012
at 04:07 PM

Wow you too! I am pumping, like crazy, at all hours of the day.. Its hard work so I'd love him to just learn to latch on. My milk supply is at about 4oz per session which apparently is good enough. However now Im worried about nipple confusion because he's been drinking my pump milk out of bottles- I use Tommee Tippee though because its suppose to replicate a nipple. Did you go back to breastfeeding? Was it easier? My nipples are healing some still sore but I'm afraid to breastfeed again. I'd like to know how it went for you.

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on March 23, 2012
at 04:02 PM

Sorry the link got cut off http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/video-hypoallergenic-baby-formula/

9ce78c27a506960f3e4254727b024b75

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on March 23, 2012
at 04:01 PM

Hi, thanks. I'd trust the German formula over any American formula so your probably fine. We did WAP milk formula and it made our son very colicky however right now I'm pumping 4oz a session so I'm waiting before I have to actually supplement again. You should try the hypoallergenic WAP formula its liver based and it might be easier to find the ingredients in Germany. I'd substitute the lactose for something else though.. Good luck to you two! Thanks for the info and heres a good link for you http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/video

9ce78c27a506960f3e4254727b024b75

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on March 23, 2012
at 03:55 PM

Thanks I totally agree on giving love it and its not his fault that we can't work it out. I haven't heard of domperidone I'll check it out I do fenugreek and want to try goats rue. I also just rented a hospital grade pump I feel like a fool for letting a salesperson talk me into buying a regular Ameda pump last week..

9ce78c27a506960f3e4254727b024b75

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on March 23, 2012
at 03:50 PM

Yea looking forward to enjoying him rather than worrying about pumping at all hours of the day..

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on March 21, 2012
at 02:13 PM

I know it seems like the most important thing in the world right now, but when your kids are 2,3,4,5 years old, other concerns take center stage and how you fed them when they were babies doesn't really seem so important. I know exactly how you feel right now because I felt the exact same way once.

9ce78c27a506960f3e4254727b024b75

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on March 21, 2012
at 12:05 AM

Thanks heard of that might try it but personally I'd hate myself if I gave up I know life would go on but I'd never be able to forgive myself, its like a husband who could never please his wife I'd feel like a failure

9ce78c27a506960f3e4254727b024b75

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on March 21, 2012
at 12:00 AM

Oh and we only gave him regular formula once than I made Weston Prices homemade baby formula I recommend it if you are just completely unable to breastfeed my son has tolerated it just fine..but I do need to get him off the bottle because I doubt its helping and I'd prefer to breast feed him..

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on March 20, 2012
at 11:58 PM

THANKS Ladies. My husband is only concerned he just thinks the baby is always hungry we've had too many arguments this week concerning the baby and feeding so for now I will continue trying to breastfeed- and I have tried the shields as well as all the creams and Mothers Love which has fenugreek and blessed thistle. I notcied my supply decreasing after I switched to two days of pumping only.. Im super concerned I will lose my supply.. Trying to eat healthy as well but have been eating oatmeal and corn products because they say they help right now I only care about my son..

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on March 19, 2012
at 11:42 PM

Use a nipple shield for a little while until sores heal, but continue to try feeding without.. also lansinoh is a great cream/barrier that is SUPER wonderful for blisters and cracked nipples.

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on March 19, 2012
at 02:53 PM

Wish I could give this even MORE than a single up-vote. I'm not going to post a new answer -- I'll just add my comments here. Hon, ask your husband to STOP bottle feeding now. Breasts were giving plenty of nutrition for thousands and thousands of years before bottles, and he is sabotaging the baby's BEST nutrition by giving sub-standard food -- so he's NOT helping his child. Maybe if he comes to understand that, it will help. NEXT -- find a La Leche League group near you... they'll help you get started and restore your milk supply. 99% of breastfeeding success is in having the uspport and

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on March 19, 2012
at 02:51 PM

Absolutely this this this. My first son didn't latch on properly and it was utter agony for both of us. I had a lactation consultant come out and show me how to hold him (football hold) and how to gently get his tongue in the right position and then we were fine. He was the fattest, happiest baby ever and now a strong 6'4" young man. Hang tough - your milk is what he needs.

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on March 19, 2012
at 10:05 AM

Ok, first thing you need to do is RELAX! If you just gave birth a week ago, it's quite possible your milk hasn't fully come in yet. Mine didn't truly come in until two weeks. Stress can have a huge negative impact on your production. Gorging on carbs is NOT going to help your situation. Now more than ever you need to eat healthily and eating a higher carb paleo is a great option.

The fastest way to increase supply is to nurse more frequently. So, if pumping is your only option, pump a LOT. Even if nothing is coming out. Your body will get the idea. As for nursing - have you tried nipple shields? Just another option. I know the nipples tearing/cracking is painful, but they do toughen up - I promise! Just takes a few weeks.

With regard to supplementation, I tried the fenugreek supplements and, although they didn't work for me, I know they help a lot of ladies. Though I really think you just need to give it a little time for the milk to come in.

Oh and although I don't agree with your husband feeding your baby formula behind your back, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Just keep pumping as Often as you can and consider yourself fortunate to have a husband who is so involved. Maybe use everytime he gives a bottle to pump or to sleep. Both will help.

Good luck!

C6115788648a6873d823aee0d8184998

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on March 19, 2012
at 11:42 PM

Use a nipple shield for a little while until sores heal, but continue to try feeding without.. also lansinoh is a great cream/barrier that is SUPER wonderful for blisters and cracked nipples.

Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

(12540)

on March 19, 2012
at 02:53 PM

Wish I could give this even MORE than a single up-vote. I'm not going to post a new answer -- I'll just add my comments here. Hon, ask your husband to STOP bottle feeding now. Breasts were giving plenty of nutrition for thousands and thousands of years before bottles, and he is sabotaging the baby's BEST nutrition by giving sub-standard food -- so he's NOT helping his child. Maybe if he comes to understand that, it will help. NEXT -- find a La Leche League group near you... they'll help you get started and restore your milk supply. 99% of breastfeeding success is in having the uspport and

9ce78c27a506960f3e4254727b024b75

(105)

on March 20, 2012
at 11:58 PM

THANKS Ladies. My husband is only concerned he just thinks the baby is always hungry we've had too many arguments this week concerning the baby and feeding so for now I will continue trying to breastfeed- and I have tried the shields as well as all the creams and Mothers Love which has fenugreek and blessed thistle. I notcied my supply decreasing after I switched to two days of pumping only.. Im super concerned I will lose my supply.. Trying to eat healthy as well but have been eating oatmeal and corn products because they say they help right now I only care about my son..

9ce78c27a506960f3e4254727b024b75

(105)

on March 21, 2012
at 12:00 AM

Oh and we only gave him regular formula once than I made Weston Prices homemade baby formula I recommend it if you are just completely unable to breastfeed my son has tolerated it just fine..but I do need to get him off the bottle because I doubt its helping and I'd prefer to breast feed him..

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on March 19, 2012
at 01:17 PM

Congrats!

Please find an IBCLC (if you haven't already!) Or call your local La Leche league. It could be that your babe has tongue-tie.

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on March 19, 2012
at 02:51 PM

Absolutely this this this. My first son didn't latch on properly and it was utter agony for both of us. I had a lactation consultant come out and show me how to hold him (football hold) and how to gently get his tongue in the right position and then we were fine. He was the fattest, happiest baby ever and now a strong 6'4" young man. Hang tough - your milk is what he needs.

9ce78c27a506960f3e4254727b024b75

(105)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Thanks, I've seen three Lac. Specialist one from La Leche but my son fights me so much his tongue is totally disorganization and he gums me also he is not tongue tied but has a short frenulum. I'm happy that worked out for you! sounds like your son has a smart and strong mother I'm trying to hang in funny I thought labor was hard, ha!

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on March 19, 2012
at 03:29 PM

Such wise counsel above.

I had trouble nursing #1, and it took about 6 weeks before we really figured it out. I used domperidone to up my milk supply, which helped a ton. Also used fenugreek and nursing tea with #2. Nursed a ton on demand (and if you need nipple shields and lots of lanisoh, don't be shy!). We also rented the industrial grade pump from the hospital while we were figuring the nursing out, which I think helped keep supply up until I could figure out the rest.

AND--my mother nursed me exclusively for six months, but gave my sister formula. We both went to Harvard and lead pretty happy lives. that always calmed me down when I would get frantic about needing to nurse--the reminder that nursing is wonderful, but a very, very small part of what makes our babies grow up to be good people.

Love your baby--give lots of cuddles and kisses, regardless of what you feed him or whether it's in a bottle or a breast. HOW you feed your baby (with love) and HOW you raise your child will matter much more than whether it's formula or breast milk. Go easy on yourself, honey.

9ce78c27a506960f3e4254727b024b75

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on March 23, 2012
at 03:55 PM

Thanks I totally agree on giving love it and its not his fault that we can't work it out. I haven't heard of domperidone I'll check it out I do fenugreek and want to try goats rue. I also just rented a hospital grade pump I feel like a fool for letting a salesperson talk me into buying a regular Ameda pump last week..

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193b7fb0fec8913d5ebb3b99a04d21c6

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on March 19, 2012
at 02:48 PM

I had a hard time nursing both of my kids and really just gave up, and wish I hadn't. I have several friends who are lactation consultants who recommend a "nursing vacation". Take your shirt off, leave it off and spend 3 days skin to skin with your son and just nurse on demand. Kick the hubby out of the room and tell him to get some sleep. Have him bring you meals, too, and eat lots of calories and drink lots of water. The calories don't have to be carbs, they should just be calories.

Also, chances are your milk isn't in yet. Pumping is horrible, I know, but the best way to get your milk in is to nurse naturally often and relax and intake enough food/water.

Lastly, and this is the most important thing, if you hate nursing, it's OKAY to stop and give your baby formula. They won't have a lower IQ, they won't hate you for it when they're older, they won't complain about it on Dr. Oz or whatever. And no one will think you're a horrible mother.

Good luck and congratulations!

9ce78c27a506960f3e4254727b024b75

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on March 21, 2012
at 12:05 AM

Thanks heard of that might try it but personally I'd hate myself if I gave up I know life would go on but I'd never be able to forgive myself, its like a husband who could never please his wife I'd feel like a failure

193b7fb0fec8913d5ebb3b99a04d21c6

(2918)

on March 21, 2012
at 02:13 PM

I know it seems like the most important thing in the world right now, but when your kids are 2,3,4,5 years old, other concerns take center stage and how you fed them when they were babies doesn't really seem so important. I know exactly how you feel right now because I felt the exact same way once.

9ce78c27a506960f3e4254727b024b75

(105)

on March 23, 2012
at 03:50 PM

Yea looking forward to enjoying him rather than worrying about pumping at all hours of the day..

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on March 19, 2012
at 12:51 PM

Your baby's stomach is so tiny right now, he doesn't need much. It does take your milk a little while to come in. If you want to exclusively breastfeed, don't let anyone stand in your way. As long as your baby is getting wet/dirty diapers, he is doing okay. Honestly, I am new to the "paleo" and am still learning so I can't make any comment about that, but breastfeeding I do know....I have an almost 2 year old daughter and we are still going strong on nursing. I know it isn't paleo, but if you wanted to try a bowl of oatmeal in the morning, it helps with milk production. Also, if you google lactation cookies, you can find several different recipes that contain flax and brewers yeast that work at increasing production. (again, not paleo, but definitely helps with production)

Nipple soreness is really common, but I know that it doesn't make it any less horrible. I was in tears every time for the first few weeks. Try giving your son a little pumped breastmilk before he latches on to your nipple. It will ease some of his franticness and will make the process a little easier. Also, make sure you have lanolin. It does ease some of the discomfort!

It is so challenging being a new Mom - you are doing great! Remember, his tummy is only the size of a walnut right now!

9ce78c27a506960f3e4254727b024b75

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on March 23, 2012
at 04:08 PM

Good suggestion I've been told to give him a little before starting because he gets really frantic and he starts crying and screaming and than my nipple shield would fall off and all hell breaks loose.. Thanks

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on March 19, 2012
at 12:14 PM

Wow I could have written your question almost word for word two weeks ago. My little guy is almost 4 weeks now (my first, all natural, 5 hours!) and I was struggling just like you because my nipples were being torn apart (despite several lactation consultations) and I wasn't producing enough milk and he wasn't gaining weight. All I can say is be patient!

The most important thing to do is PUMP. Keep at it and once you get an ounce or two, give it to your little one in a bottle. Also drink Fenugreek or Mother's Milk Tea three times a day. Eat lots of food too. I've been eating a ton of carbs too - oatmeal and Guinness are also supposed to be good for milk supply. Don't give up and don't go to formula yet. If you keep pumping your milk should arrive very soon.

I found this page on Kelly Mom really useful BTW.

Also, nipples may be sore for weeks but they WILL get better. You and your baby will figure out a better latch, and the initial injuries will heal. And relax! I think you will find yourself turning the corner very soon...

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on March 23, 2012
at 04:07 PM

Wow you too! I am pumping, like crazy, at all hours of the day.. Its hard work so I'd love him to just learn to latch on. My milk supply is at about 4oz per session which apparently is good enough. However now Im worried about nipple confusion because he's been drinking my pump milk out of bottles- I use Tommee Tippee though because its suppose to replicate a nipple. Did you go back to breastfeeding? Was it easier? My nipples are healing some still sore but I'm afraid to breastfeed again. I'd like to know how it went for you.

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on March 25, 2012
at 01:40 PM

4oz is great output! I get 3oz tops. I am bfing now, but nipples still hurt (due to Raynaud's and a not-perfect latch, I believe). I supplemented with pumped milk in a bottle after breast for about a week and then went back to breast only. Then I introduced an occasional bottle again last week, and use them only when nipples are too sore or I'm away from baby. I did have to power through a lot of pain to keep bfing. Sucks but it's not as bad as it was. I'm still working on the latch and hoping it will get less painful over time. If he's getting your milk, don't worry where it comes from.

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on March 19, 2012
at 11:10 AM

Our twin girls are 7 weeks old today. We had hoped to feed them only breast milk for at least the first six months, but it just hasn't been possible. Currently, the girls are getting 1/2 of their food from the natural (and paleo!) breast milk, and we are then supplementing with Hipp Organic Baby Formula. It's the best we could find here in Germany. We can't source the ingredients to make WAP formula, unfortunately. I'm sure the ingredients exist in our region of Germany, but trying to track it down with my limited language skills has proven impossible.

At first, my wife hated the fact that we were going to have to supplement with formula, as did I. She basically had a similar reaction as yours, felt very stressed, and was quite upset (she wanted to do everything natural since she did have a natural birth with the twins). We've come to learn that the girls really don't differentiate between the breast milk and the formula, gulping both down equally. Neither seems to cause more gas or stomach distress, which we are thankful for. We had our suspicions about the formula, but the Hipp Organic seems to be pretty good stuff.

As far as milk production, my wife does drink 'Milchbildungstee' (tea for increasing milk production) once or twice a day and it does seem to help a little bit. Here is an English site I found that offers a similar product.

http://www.earthmamaangelbaby.com/breastfeeding-support/milkmaid-tea.html

Also, as Susan said, feeding or pumping more often can help the milk fully come in and increase the production volume. If you have any questions, speak with a lactation consultant about this and they should be able to fill you in and even help you with feeding techniques and tips and tricks. Ours, who is a good friend, helped my wife immensely.

Congratulations on the birth of your child! Relax and try to enjoy this time as much as you can. Things will work themselves out!

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on March 23, 2012
at 04:02 PM

Sorry the link got cut off http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/video-hypoallergenic-baby-formula/

9ce78c27a506960f3e4254727b024b75

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on March 23, 2012
at 04:01 PM

Hi, thanks. I'd trust the German formula over any American formula so your probably fine. We did WAP milk formula and it made our son very colicky however right now I'm pumping 4oz a session so I'm waiting before I have to actually supplement again. You should try the hypoallergenic WAP formula its liver based and it might be easier to find the ingredients in Germany. I'd substitute the lactose for something else though.. Good luck to you two! Thanks for the info and heres a good link for you http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/video

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on March 19, 2012
at 02:08 PM

My wife had similar trouble. She got a lactation consultant and persevered, even with bloody nipples. You could also see if you couod get domperidone.

9ce78c27a506960f3e4254727b024b75

(105)

on March 23, 2012
at 04:09 PM

Ouch I feel for her I had scabs. I am trying to get another Lac Spec. until than Im pumping. Im also going to check into domperidone.

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on March 19, 2012
at 11:10 AM

You have to take a ton of fenugreek -- your pee and sweat should smell like maple syrup. I don't remember how much I took (my daughter is now 3) but it was about 4 pills in the morning, 3 in the afternoon and 4 at night. I also had luck taking the fenugreek with milk thistle. Again, I took a lot.

Also, you body is just getting use to nursing and figuring out how much milk to male. Try not to pump and just nurse (babies are much more efficient at emptying the breast then the pump).

Check Kellymom for more info, or call your local LLL leader.

It is hard at first and takes a while to figure out, just remember that you are doing great and learning as you go.

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on December 17, 2014
at 03:49 AM

Congratulations, babies and kids are wonderful.

Let me give some advice that is probably not Paleo but has helped 3 new mothers that I know to produce milk, including my wife and sister in law. Relax and have a Guinness. In some parts of the world they literally serve Guinness to new mothers in the hospital. I know this sounds like some kind of kooky Irish drunkard's fantasy but it works.

My nephew was 3 days old and my sister in law was not producing milk and we went to her apartment with a 4-pack of Guinness. We all sat down together and she was literally halfway through hers when the milk started to flow.

Guinness is among the lowest alcohol beers and is full of iron and nutrients. And having a small beer and relaxing with your family and friends and remembering that you are a woman and a person besides also being a new mom can be very helpful.

$0.02!

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on March 19, 2012
at 10:24 PM

Congratulations on your new baby! Drop the guilt like a hot paleo turnip and do what you have to to feed your baby. I desperately tried all of the above to breast-feed and nothing helped. My preemie had oral-motor sensory disorder, preventing him from latching on correctly. We didn't figure this out until he was 3 and still not chewing. I never had an adequate supply anyway. Be a little bit glad that you have the option to formula-feed--in many places around the world, babies live and die by the availability of breast milk.

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on March 19, 2012
at 12:10 PM

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!! sorry- no better advice than what's been offered above.

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