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How can SAD folks not see this?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 01, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Not judging here on any individual that is trying to eat healthy, but rather the general perceptions SAD folks have. I had to share this below and ask why this is not so obvious to SAD folks? At least from a nutrients stand point regardless of what specific diet or lifestyle someone chooses.

My co-worker, who is about 75 pounds overweight and trying to slim up, is having a banana and a bagel with low fat butter for breakfast. My breakfast was 2 hard boiled eggs and mashed sweet potatoes with a scoop of coconut oil mixed in. My co-worker actually said to me "I wish I could eat like you for breakfast." I didn't know what to say and just decided to go with "I love eggs."

How do people not see that the quality of food in a breakfast like my co-worker isn't so hot and very unbalanced? No healthy fats? No protein? Fake butter with hydrogenated oils and who knows what else? It just seems so obvious even if you aren't following the paleo lifestyle I don't get it.

Had to add lunch edit

It got worse unfortunately. Said coworker had a Slimfast shake for lunch while I had a homemade chef salad.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on May 04, 2013
at 11:37 AM

@RoryD Fair enough, I was being pretty glib. Agree totally that wealth begets wealth (sometimes including 'health' generally but most often very narrowly- ppl live longer propped, up by medicine, but aren't particularly 'healthful' in the body so to say...)

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on May 04, 2013
at 05:25 AM

Right on Esther! Be strong and carry on! You are the future, and once your parents see the light they will be thanking you and leaving you all their money! :)

6ec8d30130a6fb274871314533b5536b

(581)

on May 02, 2013
at 06:12 AM

Seriously the price of eating clean is so much cheaper. My mom buys a huge bag of romaine lettuce hearts from the local Korean store nearby our house for $1.50. 6 hearts for $1.50. No way can people say eating healthy is expensive.

6ec8d30130a6fb274871314533b5536b

(581)

on May 02, 2013
at 06:08 AM

Also loved the pun, and totally agree with you! It's taken the past 2 years for me to get about 30% of this information through to my parents. And it doesn't help that along the way I would even start to doubt myself and lose hope and would waver back and forth. But I'm firmly rooted now and continue to fight the good fight at home. :P

6ec8d30130a6fb274871314533b5536b

(581)

on May 02, 2013
at 06:05 AM

Not to mention all of the misinformation out there in the forms of news reports, Dr. Oz, and The Doctors. I do see Dr. Oz every so slowly... like eeeeever sooooo slooooowly starting to come around regarding a few points. The other day he had a program with 2 researchers talking about how good saturated fat and cholesterol are for you, and how sugar is the real culprit for heart disease, and how bad statins are for people. I was like YES OMFG YES. :D

A08b210e4da7e69cd792bddc1f4aae4b

(1031)

on May 02, 2013
at 05:01 AM

... and "meat is murder", "bran is essential regularity", "sunlight gives you cancer", and many more. You can imagine the fog of confusion most people are in when it comes to healthy eating.

A08b210e4da7e69cd792bddc1f4aae4b

(1031)

on May 02, 2013
at 03:22 AM

Think memes, not common sense. Ideas compete for our attention, the simplest ones win out. For example "fat makes you fat", "hearty healthy whole grains", "calories in, calories out", and so on. Compare that with "We have Paleolithic bodies and should eat like our ancestors, following evolutionary principles and adopting an empirical process for... blah, blah, blah".

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(1097)

on May 02, 2013
at 12:16 AM

bag of Doritos and a diet coke! They've got at least 20 years on you now, Bobby.

04a4f204bc2e589fa30fd31b92944549

(975)

on May 01, 2013
at 11:02 PM

Ouch. The third ingredient in Slimfast is sugar. I would guess same goes for the bagel, though.

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(10611)

on May 01, 2013
at 10:45 PM

I add up 420 and call it a wash...the co-worker breakfast would leave me starving for a Snickers in an hour though...

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(10611)

on May 01, 2013
at 10:39 PM

Unfortunately Wheaties is Breakfast of Champions, not a Darwinian selection tool. People thrive on it, for a while.

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on May 01, 2013
at 10:36 PM

Thanks @greymouser I'm happy you caught that! I aim to please...

7d46edca72c2f8347f65d7b734d1f1eb

on May 01, 2013
at 10:21 PM

It got worse unfortunately. Said coworker had a Slimfast shake for lunch while I had a homemade chef salad.

7d46edca72c2f8347f65d7b734d1f1eb

on May 01, 2013
at 10:18 PM

I can't disagree with you greymouser but as of late I've gone in the closet with my paleo diet. A good friend or family member that asks I will certainly go out of my way, but in situations like today with my co-worker I have found it frustrating at best to try to educate or help with most folks' preconceived notions. Last time I tried it I had someone telling me how I was going to have a heart attack from eating 2-3 hard boiled eggs every morning. This was coming from (unfortunately) another very unhealthy coworker would starts every day with a bag of Doritos and a Diet Coke....boo

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on May 01, 2013
at 10:15 PM

+1 for "to go COMPLETELY against the *grain*."

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(1097)

on May 01, 2013
at 09:21 PM

Hmm... banana = 100 calories. Bagel = ~350, unless it was small. low fat buttery spread: 20-50 calories... 500 calories total. Two eggs: 140 calories. Sweet potato: 180 calories. coconut oil: 100 calories... 320 calories total. LOL. God, I love paleo...

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on May 01, 2013
at 03:19 PM

Metabolic disease caused by poor diet simply does not manifest during reproductive years, there's never really been evolutionary pressure due to diet. In fact, a commodity-based diet likely improves reproductive fitness (faster growth, more progeny reaching reproductive age, etc...)

04a4f204bc2e589fa30fd31b92944549

(975)

on May 01, 2013
at 03:05 PM

I think her co worker was implying "I wish I could get away with eating cholesterol and fat laden eggs like you and still be skinny" Not "I wish I knew how to eat a balanced meal" That was how I read it anyway

Ede98d8569d42885d70e07c92d3df34e

(623)

on May 01, 2013
at 02:34 PM

I think you misunderstood me. "Fittest" in the evolutionary sense of the word means most adaptable to changes in the environment. Health is no longer as crucial to our species as it once was, because medicine and healthcare can be bought (or is provided, depending on where you live). In other words, health is no longer necessary for survival if you have wealth. I was not saying that those who make poor health choices will die off soon.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on May 01, 2013
at 02:06 PM

tell that to all the fat millionaires around the world...

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618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on May 01, 2013
at 08:21 PM

There is ENORMOUS pressure on people to eat the Standard American Diet. It is advocated by the USDA and backed by billions of dollars from Big Ag, and the weight loss industry, and other anti-health interests. There is alot of money to be made keeping people unhealthy. I can't blame anyone for not seeing it - it takes someone willing to think not only outside of the box, but to go COMPLETELY against the grain. The conventional wisdom that all fats are bad, that beef will give you cancer, and that grains should make up the bulk of your diet is backed up by doctors, dietitians, and nutritionists - so someone has to be pretty strong to stand up and say NO. Not everybody has that kind of a personality. It takes the avante guarde of the world of nutrition, the iconoclasts and the inquiring minds, to lead the way.

Don't judge them, show them by example how beneficial this lifestyle is.

6ec8d30130a6fb274871314533b5536b

(581)

on May 02, 2013
at 06:08 AM

Also loved the pun, and totally agree with you! It's taken the past 2 years for me to get about 30% of this information through to my parents. And it doesn't help that along the way I would even start to doubt myself and lose hope and would waver back and forth. But I'm firmly rooted now and continue to fight the good fight at home. :P

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on May 01, 2013
at 10:15 PM

+1 for "to go COMPLETELY against the *grain*."

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on May 01, 2013
at 10:36 PM

Thanks @greymouser I'm happy you caught that! I aim to please...

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on May 04, 2013
at 05:25 AM

Right on Esther! Be strong and carry on! You are the future, and once your parents see the light they will be thanking you and leaving you all their money! :)

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on May 01, 2013
at 10:34 PM

Here's how I did it. I overate raisin bran and frosted mini wheats. In a year of doing this I became obese and T2 diabetic.

Why would I do something so stupid? Well for one it was cheap. For two it tasted good, especially with milk and extra sugar on top. But most importantly the heart on the box and the nutrients list said it was good for my health.

So eating more must be even better.

Bad choice. But that's Kellogg logic. Never trust a vegetarian.

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Ede98d8569d42885d70e07c92d3df34e

(623)

on May 01, 2013
at 01:55 PM

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

People's respect for intellectual authority is at the root of the problem. thinking for oneself with regard to the science is seen by most as a laborious task which should only be taken on by those with letters after their name. Not to be intolerant of the ignorant, but this is really a prime example of how natural selection still operates in today's society to an extent. Survival of the fittest is survival of the smartest.

Ede98d8569d42885d70e07c92d3df34e

(623)

on May 01, 2013
at 02:34 PM

I think you misunderstood me. "Fittest" in the evolutionary sense of the word means most adaptable to changes in the environment. Health is no longer as crucial to our species as it once was, because medicine and healthcare can be bought (or is provided, depending on where you live). In other words, health is no longer necessary for survival if you have wealth. I was not saying that those who make poor health choices will die off soon.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on May 01, 2013
at 10:39 PM

Unfortunately Wheaties is Breakfast of Champions, not a Darwinian selection tool. People thrive on it, for a while.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on May 01, 2013
at 03:19 PM

Metabolic disease caused by poor diet simply does not manifest during reproductive years, there's never really been evolutionary pressure due to diet. In fact, a commodity-based diet likely improves reproductive fitness (faster growth, more progeny reaching reproductive age, etc...)

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on May 01, 2013
at 02:06 PM

tell that to all the fat millionaires around the world...

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on May 04, 2013
at 11:37 AM

@RoryD Fair enough, I was being pretty glib. Agree totally that wealth begets wealth (sometimes including 'health' generally but most often very narrowly- ppl live longer propped, up by medicine, but aren't particularly 'healthful' in the body so to say...)

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Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on May 01, 2013
at 02:16 PM

You missed a chance to advocate that they give themselves a week or a month and try to eat like you! I know it's hard to change people, but if they opened the door, put your foot in. :-)

Your breakfasts both sound about the same price, cost wise. So, they might need encouragement to take the time to prepare or ready their breakfasts. This is a huge obstacle for people to overcome, even though it's really just a mental one, in my humble opinion.

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on May 02, 2013
at 12:16 AM

bag of Doritos and a diet coke! They've got at least 20 years on you now, Bobby.

7d46edca72c2f8347f65d7b734d1f1eb

on May 01, 2013
at 10:18 PM

I can't disagree with you greymouser but as of late I've gone in the closet with my paleo diet. A good friend or family member that asks I will certainly go out of my way, but in situations like today with my co-worker I have found it frustrating at best to try to educate or help with most folks' preconceived notions. Last time I tried it I had someone telling me how I was going to have a heart attack from eating 2-3 hard boiled eggs every morning. This was coming from (unfortunately) another very unhealthy coworker would starts every day with a bag of Doritos and a Diet Coke....boo

6ec8d30130a6fb274871314533b5536b

(581)

on May 02, 2013
at 06:12 AM

Seriously the price of eating clean is so much cheaper. My mom buys a huge bag of romaine lettuce hearts from the local Korean store nearby our house for $1.50. 6 hearts for $1.50. No way can people say eating healthy is expensive.

04a4f204bc2e589fa30fd31b92944549

(975)

on May 01, 2013
at 03:05 PM

I think her co worker was implying "I wish I could get away with eating cholesterol and fat laden eggs like you and still be skinny" Not "I wish I knew how to eat a balanced meal" That was how I read it anyway

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