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Breakfast and Hunger

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 28, 2011 at 2:53 AM

I wake up hungry almost every morning.

On the days when I eat breakfast, I spend the rest of the morning dealing with intense hunger pains and have difficulty working because of them.

On the days when I drink coffee with heavy cream and cinnamon instead of eating, I deal with less intense hunger pains but find concentrating on any task difficult because of brain fog.

I've tried eating to various levels of satiety, ranging from "hunger just abated" to "forced the last three bites down". I'm trying to lose a non-trivial amount of weight and focus on low-carb meals. Breakfast is generally eggs cooked in butter/ghee/coconut oil with 3 or 4 slices of bacon. I've tried the eggs with a hearty helping of spinach wilted in butter instead of bacon, which doesn't seem to make a difference. I tried ham slices and guacamole the other morning and had the same old results. I don't eat much fruit because even those on the low end of the glycemic index make me feel hungry within minutes.

I usually don't exercise or do anything strenuous in the mornings, so that's not a factor.

I am totally and completely at a loss, and I can't afford to spend every morning in a stupor. Does anyone have the same experience? Does anyone have any suggestions?

F99858355e6b9c8f99d1991f96d33cf1

(50)

on September 03, 2011
at 03:43 AM

Adrenal fatigue is the first thing I thought of. Some people may rely on the high cortisol for energy, which the coffee also adds to, both of which suppresses appetite. So I'm thinking you really need to eat. I'm not sure VLC is advisable in this instance, but your mileage may vary.

2fdb7a6236b04bdfc3dacaf2bc236515

(528)

on August 29, 2011
at 04:05 PM

I think I do have some cortisol/adrenal fatigue issues; I didn't even consider that it could be a contributing factor. Checked my cream--I searched high and low for non-ultra pasteurized stuff but didn't think to look at the label. Carrageenan gum. I don't know why I get surprised when I find crap like that. Thanks!

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on August 28, 2011
at 02:53 PM

check out The Quilt recommendations. Very good for if you are always hungry after eating.

2fdb7a6236b04bdfc3dacaf2bc236515

(528)

on August 28, 2011
at 02:22 PM

Trying coffee + coconut oil this morning. Looked in the fridge and realized that my cream is more than just cream :( I've never heard of the piracetam of which you speak. I'll research it!

2fdb7a6236b04bdfc3dacaf2bc236515

(528)

on August 28, 2011
at 02:18 PM

I do still have a lap-band and my difficulty eating in the mornings is due to the apparatus (though not the size of my stomach). I'm doing the best I can with what I have, ya know?

Fe6e37f8d4c49de1ecbc926c8900cd54

(1902)

on August 28, 2011
at 01:23 PM

Haha, you are fun. :) Also, I only suggested nixing the cream in the morning so that you can see what you feel like when you're truly fasted--it's possible that there's a difference. I hope you have some luck with this stuff--self-experimentation is pretty fun. :) (And at the risk of losing all credibility, I've got one less ditch effort if the other stuff doesn't work to increase morning clarity: I've been supplementing with piracetam for a while, and although its subtle, I find it really helps. And I'm pretty sure it interacts with caffeine in interesting ways.)

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on August 28, 2011
at 10:18 AM

Do you still have the lap band? Could this be a problem with the size of your stomach?

2fdb7a6236b04bdfc3dacaf2bc236515

(528)

on August 28, 2011
at 05:17 AM

NOT MY CREAM!!! :) I'm actually working on getting it out of my diet. I kicked the sugar to the curb quite a while ago, then exchanged 2-4T cream for 1c milk. Final step is nixing the cream altogether. Coffee consumption = 16-24 oz on most days. Usually 16 first thing in the morning, sometimes another 8 in the early afternoon. None after 1:30 or so. I think you're on the right track, at least partially, RE sleep. Working really hard on my sleep hygiene, but still think I'm not getting enough rest; discussed with my naturopath on Thurs but didn't really get much help. Thanks for the ideas!

2fdb7a6236b04bdfc3dacaf2bc236515

(528)

on August 28, 2011
at 05:07 AM

What's your definition of VLC, hoshkwon? Sub 50, 30, 20? I'm curious; however, I don't count and can't really see myself starting (hello neuroses!). Most of my carbs come from veggies, the cream in my coffee (1g carb/day), the butter I sometimes cook with, and my single square of 90% dark chocolate in the afternoons.

2fdb7a6236b04bdfc3dacaf2bc236515

(528)

on August 28, 2011
at 05:02 AM

Dinner is usually protein + veggies + fat (frequently a hunk of protein over salad greens drizzled in olive oil) at about 6:30. Denser foods are hard for me in the mornings--sometimes bacon and eggs are a struggle to eat. I'll try to give it a go the next time I"m feeling brave, though! :)

B9f0b439d1abbc7d6cd1ac0afd2334d4

(125)

on August 28, 2011
at 03:56 AM

What do u have for dinner? And have u tried something fleshier for breakfast? Like a salmon steak...

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Fe6e37f8d4c49de1ecbc926c8900cd54

on August 28, 2011
at 04:05 AM

I know that a lot of people swear by breakfast, but I have the same experience re: eating breakfast and feeling hungrier throughout the day that I would otherwise--it's quite annoying and destracting. For that reason (and because I'm usually just not hungry when I wake up, and was previously forcing myself to eat early), I've completely stopped eating breakfast, and I do feel better for it. It's possible that it just takes a little while to adjust to it (re: the brain fog).

Here's a few factors that might be useful to play with:

-Try coffee sans the cream

-Tinker with the amount of coffee (how much are you drinking, by the way?)

-Tinker with the timing of your evening meal. This might affect sleep quality, or otherwise affect clarity the next morning.

-Related to the point above, I'd make sure you're doing everything you can to get solid sleep--that could be a bigger contributing factor to brain fog.

Having said all that--it's also possible that breakfast is a good idea for you personally, and you just need to play around with the constituents of your breakfast.

2fdb7a6236b04bdfc3dacaf2bc236515

(528)

on August 28, 2011
at 02:22 PM

Trying coffee + coconut oil this morning. Looked in the fridge and realized that my cream is more than just cream :( I've never heard of the piracetam of which you speak. I'll research it!

2fdb7a6236b04bdfc3dacaf2bc236515

(528)

on August 28, 2011
at 05:17 AM

NOT MY CREAM!!! :) I'm actually working on getting it out of my diet. I kicked the sugar to the curb quite a while ago, then exchanged 2-4T cream for 1c milk. Final step is nixing the cream altogether. Coffee consumption = 16-24 oz on most days. Usually 16 first thing in the morning, sometimes another 8 in the early afternoon. None after 1:30 or so. I think you're on the right track, at least partially, RE sleep. Working really hard on my sleep hygiene, but still think I'm not getting enough rest; discussed with my naturopath on Thurs but didn't really get much help. Thanks for the ideas!

Fe6e37f8d4c49de1ecbc926c8900cd54

(1902)

on August 28, 2011
at 01:23 PM

Haha, you are fun. :) Also, I only suggested nixing the cream in the morning so that you can see what you feel like when you're truly fasted--it's possible that there's a difference. I hope you have some luck with this stuff--self-experimentation is pretty fun. :) (And at the risk of losing all credibility, I've got one less ditch effort if the other stuff doesn't work to increase morning clarity: I've been supplementing with piracetam for a while, and although its subtle, I find it really helps. And I'm pretty sure it interacts with caffeine in interesting ways.)

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C1fb8666b1ae085507a76a4c494e4f0a

on August 28, 2011
at 01:21 PM

I'm wondering if perhaps you have high morning cortisol levels, and that is contributing to the hunger?

Any way you could transition to decaf coffee, say going half-half then to full decaf?

Also, if you have a sensitive gut, check your heavy cream for gums and additives... certain brands of heavy cream have done me in and the gut irritation (for me) often feels similar to hunger pains. A lot of heavy creams have additives.

2fdb7a6236b04bdfc3dacaf2bc236515

(528)

on August 29, 2011
at 04:05 PM

I think I do have some cortisol/adrenal fatigue issues; I didn't even consider that it could be a contributing factor. Checked my cream--I searched high and low for non-ultra pasteurized stuff but didn't think to look at the label. Carrageenan gum. I don't know why I get surprised when I find crap like that. Thanks!

F99858355e6b9c8f99d1991f96d33cf1

(50)

on September 03, 2011
at 03:43 AM

Adrenal fatigue is the first thing I thought of. Some people may rely on the high cortisol for energy, which the coffee also adds to, both of which suppresses appetite. So I'm thinking you really need to eat. I'm not sure VLC is advisable in this instance, but your mileage may vary.

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B14dc4aa1ddefbec3bc09550428ee493

on August 28, 2011
at 09:35 AM

You seem to be doing everything right as far as what you are eating so I'm a bit confused by your hunger. How much are you eating throughout the day? I'm wondering if perhaps you aren't getting enough calories. If you want to have your appetite satisfied you really have to go with the flow and eat whenever you are hungry. You really shouldn't be dealing with hunger pains at all. If you are hungry, eat. That's the key.

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on August 28, 2011
at 06:53 AM

Make sure you are sleeping at least 7.5 hours per day. Try and wake up before your alarm. I wake up 10-15 min before my alarm sounds. Do not stay up late...

I agree with the VLC which is below 50 carbs/day for awhile until you get the hunger under control.

For breakfast try 3-4 eggs with 2tbs butter or 1-2oz cream. Make the breakfast big.

Do the same for lunch but with a large chunk of meat and also butter or cream or Coconut oil. Some veggies.

For dinner. Same as lunch. Here is where I add in some extra veggies or berries to get some carbs in for the day.

Could also be low Vit D.

If all that does not work. Try eating a cup of cottage cheese before going to bed each night.

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8c7a402462e29967a40b42d4f8b5e206

on August 28, 2011
at 04:02 AM

This can sometimes mean a metabolic problem. Try going VLC (very low carb) for a little bit and kick your body into a state of ketosis. This usually helps fix leptin/insulin sensitivity problems and also really helps with the hunger.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on August 28, 2011
at 02:53 PM

check out The Quilt recommendations. Very good for if you are always hungry after eating.

2fdb7a6236b04bdfc3dacaf2bc236515

(528)

on August 28, 2011
at 05:07 AM

What's your definition of VLC, hoshkwon? Sub 50, 30, 20? I'm curious; however, I don't count and can't really see myself starting (hello neuroses!). Most of my carbs come from veggies, the cream in my coffee (1g carb/day), the butter I sometimes cook with, and my single square of 90% dark chocolate in the afternoons.

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