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12 Paleo Myths (book)

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Created May 07, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Has anyone read this? Although it Seems to be aimed towards low carbers I'm interested in reading his POV. Thoughts?

[http://180degreehealth.com/2012/02/12-paleo-myths][1]

[1]: http://180degreehealth.com/2012/02/12-paleo-myths /

E7adfe31507efb7c935f618a829f56d6

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on May 08, 2012
at 04:21 PM

it's almost like paleo kicked him in the face when he was a kid or something.

E7adfe31507efb7c935f618a829f56d6

(1507)

on May 08, 2012
at 04:20 PM

the thing is, paleohackers thrive on debating the different elements of paleo and constantly reevaluating tenets as evidence crops up and new theorists emerge. The problem with Stone is that he finds the same flaws we all find with different paleo theories (e.g., tons of people on here really take issue with Sisson's "insidious weight gain" carb Rx) and instead of breaking it down and engaging in the discussion, Stone just says, "SEE! PALEO IS BAD." it's not productive and it's misleading. I read his blog sometimes to get perspective, but I am often frustrated by that tactic.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on May 08, 2012
at 03:54 AM

AA, i think you have this paleo thing figured out perfectly

C3bc92e6b5eba45dc55f43ac3c70cc25

on May 08, 2012
at 02:32 AM

Yea Alex, Low carbers who quits their diet after a refeed.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

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on May 08, 2012
at 01:53 AM

How the hell does one fail on a diet of natural wholesome food that can encompass *any* macronutrient ratio? Are these folks some kind of modern mutant outliers with Hot Pockets Deficiency Syndrome?

C3bc92e6b5eba45dc55f43ac3c70cc25

on May 08, 2012
at 01:24 AM

I ate a pound of grass finished beef today. Grass is technically a veggie since its green & if you are what you eat, eats...

C3bc92e6b5eba45dc55f43ac3c70cc25

on May 08, 2012
at 01:22 AM

Grass is technically a veggie since its green. So if I eat a pound of grass fed beef...

C3bc92e6b5eba45dc55f43ac3c70cc25

on May 08, 2012
at 01:16 AM

Seems like the majority of the comments posted are from people who failed on the diet. Is that his niche?

45eaf1688c1baf31d687a382b78f451f

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on May 08, 2012
at 12:32 AM

Maybe they have a "books on stone" version?

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on May 08, 2012
at 12:31 AM

Heather, good lawd, no one is recommending several POUNDS of veggies! How could that fit in you tummy? Loads of raw veg= bad times. A few cups of raw, a few cups of cooked has been just great for me.

45eaf1688c1baf31d687a382b78f451f

(502)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:25 AM

I used to eat pounds of veggies. Usually raw. I would not recommend it. Several cups with meat? Heaven!

76026e8ef496039d5075440ff731aa0d

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on May 07, 2012
at 11:37 PM

Matt Stone, is that you?

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on May 07, 2012
at 11:34 PM

Pounds of veggies? What? If the base of your lunch is fresh salad greens (topped with reasonable protein), and the bulk of your dinner is a few cups of cooked veg (topped with a few ounces of meat), then how are you getting POUNDS of veggies? Do you mean CUPS? Pounds implies weighted veggies, lol.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on May 07, 2012
at 11:29 PM

Lucky you if you can digest pounds of veggies and have measurably positive results.

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on May 07, 2012
at 11:26 PM

If you can't invest in a Kindle device, Chris, they do have Kindle for PC free to download. I personally like using felled trees to pulverize and press into paper, but you get limited digital clarity from that. Sheepskin vellum is also a nice choice, but, again, it doesn't do well in the scanner. *Sigh* Maybe the public library could help?

Ba09704971e33481f5716c4790648966

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on May 07, 2012
at 11:07 PM

Oh, excellent. Let me go buy myself a kindle!

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on May 07, 2012
at 10:56 PM

well, he did say "shamwow," soooo.... how could you NOT buy it?

45eaf1688c1baf31d687a382b78f451f

(502)

on May 07, 2012
at 10:51 PM

+1 for "gives hearty country grandma chuckle". LOVE it!

0faecc3397025eab246241f4dcd81f5e

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on May 07, 2012
at 10:42 PM

I agree. Both Robb Wolf and Whole 9 stress vegetables. I've seen too many people crash out going too low carb

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

(5798)

on May 07, 2012
at 09:59 PM

They have a cave pictograph version for kindle, if you're interested.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on May 07, 2012
at 09:45 PM

Actually, low carb paleo diets are contrarian.

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on May 07, 2012
at 09:37 PM

I like how the ad ends with "shamwow!"

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F0a3e3f17d9a740810ac37ff2353a9f3

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on May 07, 2012
at 09:09 PM

I haven't read the book, and don't intend to.

The author, Matt Stone, seems to have carved-out a market niche by being something of a contrarian, especially with regard to low-carb and Paleo diets.

I read a blog post of his where he was soliciting Paleo failure stories for the book, so I imagine they constitute the bulk of the material. Clinical trials of Paleo diets are pretty scarce.

I know that Stone perpetuates at least one myth about low-carb diets, which is that they somehow damage the thyroid or otherwise cause symptoms of hypothyroidism. He also says that low-carb diets "burn out the adrenals" and cause a host of other maladies, as well, none of which is backed-up by much evidence, as far as I can tell.

I'm guessing that his standards of evidence are just as bad for Paleo diets.

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(5959)

on May 08, 2012
at 01:53 AM

How the hell does one fail on a diet of natural wholesome food that can encompass *any* macronutrient ratio? Are these folks some kind of modern mutant outliers with Hot Pockets Deficiency Syndrome?

C3bc92e6b5eba45dc55f43ac3c70cc25

on May 08, 2012
at 02:32 AM

Yea Alex, Low carbers who quits their diet after a refeed.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on May 07, 2012
at 09:45 PM

Actually, low carb paleo diets are contrarian.

C3bc92e6b5eba45dc55f43ac3c70cc25

on May 08, 2012
at 01:16 AM

Seems like the majority of the comments posted are from people who failed on the diet. Is that his niche?

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26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on May 07, 2012
at 09:36 PM

When I first embarked upon paleo, in 2010, I learned that the basis of a paleo diet was vegetables. The "biggest" part, or base of the pyramid, was supposed to be veggies. Now, things have flipped and flopped, again and again, but after many zero-carb experiments, I still feel that the base should be veggies. Call me old-fashioned, but... gives hearty country grandma chuckle

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on May 08, 2012
at 12:31 AM

Heather, good lawd, no one is recommending several POUNDS of veggies! How could that fit in you tummy? Loads of raw veg= bad times. A few cups of raw, a few cups of cooked has been just great for me.

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

(5798)

on May 07, 2012
at 11:34 PM

Pounds of veggies? What? If the base of your lunch is fresh salad greens (topped with reasonable protein), and the bulk of your dinner is a few cups of cooked veg (topped with a few ounces of meat), then how are you getting POUNDS of veggies? Do you mean CUPS? Pounds implies weighted veggies, lol.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on May 08, 2012
at 03:54 AM

AA, i think you have this paleo thing figured out perfectly

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on May 07, 2012
at 11:29 PM

Lucky you if you can digest pounds of veggies and have measurably positive results.

0faecc3397025eab246241f4dcd81f5e

(2361)

on May 07, 2012
at 10:42 PM

I agree. Both Robb Wolf and Whole 9 stress vegetables. I've seen too many people crash out going too low carb

45eaf1688c1baf31d687a382b78f451f

(502)

on May 07, 2012
at 10:51 PM

+1 for "gives hearty country grandma chuckle". LOVE it!

C3bc92e6b5eba45dc55f43ac3c70cc25

on May 08, 2012
at 01:22 AM

Grass is technically a veggie since its green. So if I eat a pound of grass fed beef...

45eaf1688c1baf31d687a382b78f451f

(502)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:25 AM

I used to eat pounds of veggies. Usually raw. I would not recommend it. Several cups with meat? Heaven!

C3bc92e6b5eba45dc55f43ac3c70cc25

on May 08, 2012
at 01:24 AM

I ate a pound of grass finished beef today. Grass is technically a veggie since its green & if you are what you eat, eats...

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Ba09704971e33481f5716c4790648966

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on May 07, 2012
at 09:40 PM

Books aren't paleo, therefore I am not interested.

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on May 07, 2012
at 09:59 PM

They have a cave pictograph version for kindle, if you're interested.

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

(5798)

on May 07, 2012
at 11:26 PM

If you can't invest in a Kindle device, Chris, they do have Kindle for PC free to download. I personally like using felled trees to pulverize and press into paper, but you get limited digital clarity from that. Sheepskin vellum is also a nice choice, but, again, it doesn't do well in the scanner. *Sigh* Maybe the public library could help?

Ba09704971e33481f5716c4790648966

(1794)

on May 07, 2012
at 11:07 PM

Oh, excellent. Let me go buy myself a kindle!

45eaf1688c1baf31d687a382b78f451f

(502)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:32 AM

Maybe they have a "books on stone" version?

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48b3a3fac68ce4e0b80d8d29a584cc93

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on May 08, 2012
at 12:29 AM

I read a couple of articles on his website a couple of days ago, in one of them he takes Mark Sisson's words out of context and bashes him so violently that besides being a hack I think he may have some kind of repressed hate towards Sisson.

Creepy stuff.

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on May 07, 2012
at 09:40 PM

I like that he uses "boner kill" as a symptom in his blurb, but beyond that, I don't feel motivated to read this book. The content represented doesn't sound like anything I haven't read before. One can avoid the so-called "paleo blues" by doing what any person with a normally functioning brain can do: basing lifestyle decisions on a critical review of research we obtain for ourselves--much of it free--from various sources, while factoring in our actual lived experience. If what you're doing doesn't work, do something else.

I actually question if the niche this book seeks to fill--ostensibly rescuing victims brainwashed by paleo--even exists. It seems to me paleo is a hard sell on a good day, and while I know there are uncritical people involved in everything, it seems to me most people receptive to paleo (and completely changing their lifestyle for health reasons) will also have enough curiosity to investigate what they're doing a little bit, and perhaps not just blindly persist, despite ever-increasing malaise.

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on May 07, 2012
at 09:48 PM

"Many get ravaged by it???"

I'd seriously like to see these, I don't doubt there are some. But I am really interested in hearing the epidemic of ravaging Paleo is inflicting on an unaware public.

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E7adfe31507efb7c935f618a829f56d6

on May 07, 2012
at 09:52 PM

Tthere AT LEAST 20 different versions of paleo with substantive differences (http://paleohacks.com/questions/105833/master-list-of-paleo-diet-variations-in-fifteen-words-or-less/105959#105959). The author seems to be limiting "paleo" to a much narrower concept. Paleo is always evolving (to use a term), that's one of it's essential characteristics, it adapts to new evidence. Unless this guy has some NEW evidence, i don't see what he's adding to the mix.

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on May 07, 2012
at 10:56 PM

well, he did say "shamwow," soooo.... how could you NOT buy it?

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05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on May 07, 2012
at 11:31 PM

Matt is smarter and more experienced than 90% of ppl on paleohacks will ever give him credit for. The lucky will always have tunnel vision.

E7adfe31507efb7c935f618a829f56d6

(1507)

on May 08, 2012
at 04:20 PM

the thing is, paleohackers thrive on debating the different elements of paleo and constantly reevaluating tenets as evidence crops up and new theorists emerge. The problem with Stone is that he finds the same flaws we all find with different paleo theories (e.g., tons of people on here really take issue with Sisson's "insidious weight gain" carb Rx) and instead of breaking it down and engaging in the discussion, Stone just says, "SEE! PALEO IS BAD." it's not productive and it's misleading. I read his blog sometimes to get perspective, but I am often frustrated by that tactic.

E7adfe31507efb7c935f618a829f56d6

(1507)

on May 08, 2012
at 04:21 PM

it's almost like paleo kicked him in the face when he was a kid or something.

76026e8ef496039d5075440ff731aa0d

(5386)

on May 07, 2012
at 11:37 PM

Matt Stone, is that you?

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