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Can the development of scoliosis be prevented by a Paleo Diet?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created July 04, 2011 at 5:58 PM

There are some questions here that cover the treatment of scoliosis for adults. What I am interested in are methods to slow or prevent scoliosis in adolescents.

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on August 06, 2012
at 02:00 PM

... how is she? Did you write a blog post about the case? Have a case of scoliosis and MS coming up and would love to compare with other multiple autoimmune cases.

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on April 09, 2012
at 10:48 AM

Heh. A question that has plagued me ever since I had a spinal fusion at age 14 for a pretty quickly progressing S-curve - I was on-board at the time, but then I trusted my doctor and parents, and there wasn't enough "internet" for me to google for alternatives. I have found that if I don't stay physically active and stretch and foam roll frequently I am plagued with horrible TMJD, knee pain, neck pain so bad I can barely turn my head. I'm only 26 now, so I can't imagine how it will be in another ten or twenty years.

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on November 14, 2011
at 07:19 PM

much better .

723e9af1560a89e7d8148b386151c15d

(38)

on November 14, 2011
at 06:39 PM

Does it make more sense now?

723e9af1560a89e7d8148b386151c15d

(38)

on November 14, 2011
at 06:39 PM

I suppose, you could not know that it's not a good idea. I've made similar mistakes in the past pointing others in wrong directions (which, as I understand now, I should investigate myself first - or refrain from advising) till I had suffered enough from groundless and misleading advices myself. Lakhen akhshav ani yoter zahir beshituf meida, umeahel gam lakh.

723e9af1560a89e7d8148b386151c15d

(38)

on November 14, 2011
at 06:38 PM

It supposed to refer to your gender somehow as it was explained. I guess, the translation I've used was not correct.

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on November 13, 2011
at 10:58 PM

ma zeh leetach?

723e9af1560a89e7d8148b386151c15d

(38)

on November 13, 2011
at 10:33 PM

I suppose, you could not know that it's not a good idea. I've made similar mistakes in the past pointing others in wrong directions (which, as I understand now, I should investigate myself first - or refrain from advising) till I had suffered enough from groundless and misleading advices myself. So now I'm more carefull with recommendations; Ani Mikaveh she zeh domeh Leeetach.

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on November 13, 2011
at 08:31 PM

Just wanted to point people in a direction they might want to investigate. That's all.

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on November 13, 2011
at 02:37 PM

@Glither: But that doesn't make yoga a better option. I have serious scoliosis myself (supposedly more severe then that yoga teacher) but I didn't (and shall not - even taking into account the progreesion) undergo the operation which doctors considered necessary. Still, it doesn't necessarily mean I had a relief from something else (actually, I didn't). P.S. My point is that if one have scoliosis (s)he should change his/her diet in the first place, find good osteopathic physician and (s)he neds RELAXATION (NOT activity!).

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(38)

on November 13, 2011
at 02:37 PM

@Glither: I was by no means saying that anyone with scoliosis shouls be operated (as I've already said above: "I DON'T think that operation is an option") and that doctors (esp. surgeons) know what they're doing (obviously, they don't cause they don't understand scoliosis). BTW, I'm also aware of far-reaching consequences of operations in scoliotics including loss of sight.

723e9af1560a89e7d8148b386151c15d

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on November 13, 2011
at 02:36 PM

@Glither: Actually you did. Your answer implies advice (If not what's the point of posting it? If your point is just sharing information, then I should say it's competely insufficient). So what kind of improvment took place? Often yoga and exercises may "help" in some way e.g. by improving trophism. But in long term most exercises lead to progression - I got such evidence myself and I'm aware about lots of other examples! Most yoga activities are tend to be very traumatic for scoliotics and often cause damage even in healthy people.

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on November 13, 2011
at 05:41 AM

If we're talking morals, I have a friend who was operated on for scoliosis while in junior high. She's 50. She suffered greatly from the long term outcome of her operation. And by greatly, I mean spending 6 years in bed until she found alternative therapies to relieve her pain. Pain from the consequestions of her operation, not from the scoliosis. The doctors did something not having a clue what the long term effects would be, and they weren't good in her case.

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on November 13, 2011
at 05:40 AM

Moral right to advise??? I didn't advise anything. Please reread my comment. I don't know this yoga teacher very well (I switched to another studio). What I know is that she was scheduled to have an operation. Instead did yoga to try to improve the situation. She apparently did improve it. Now, years later, she hasn't been operated on. I haven't seen her x-rays. She claims that yoga made her better. Just sharing information.

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on November 13, 2011
at 01:23 AM

What exactly do you mean by "heal her scoliosis enough"? Are you saying that her curvature had decreased? If so, than how much (in degrees)? And if not, what healing are you talking abot!? (I assume you're not quite sure about it; thus you have no moral right to advise such a "treatment".) BTW, I DON'T think that operation is an option. As for yoga, I have a lot of evidence that yoga will likely lead to acceleration in development of scoliosis or even trigger it.

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on August 17, 2011
at 10:26 PM

She had her final reconstruction done this pm....I am going to ask her to let me make her case a blog post as a teaching case for us all.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on August 17, 2011
at 08:20 PM

Let us know when it hits the blog... would like to see it as a case studyesk type thing.

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(8989)

on August 17, 2011
at 03:09 PM

how do you go about getting an expert? Is there some particular training or certification they should be looking for?

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on August 17, 2011
at 03:00 PM

I was searching for a longer answer, that's all

417ac0e162dc468b8ca61a574e5cd3c0

on August 17, 2011
at 05:56 AM

+1 : Someone else have you a negative, yet you gave a legit answer to the question that Loon posed: "What I am interested in are methods to slow or prevent scoliosis in adolescents."

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on August 17, 2011
at 01:33 AM

17..is fairly young. But, the earlier to start even better.

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on August 17, 2011
at 01:01 AM

As John points out each case is unique. Structural scoliosis from a hemivertebrae is a far different matter from a functional scoliosis.

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on August 17, 2011
at 01:01 AM

+1....this does not answer the paleo aspect for you, but is a much better comprehensive answer. In essence, its not just diet here. Its structure and function also. You can't pick and choose which aspects of health to pay attention to, especially in extreme circumstances. Thats why "holistic". Movement, optimal ROM and flexibility, balance and proprioception, and yes diet are all key. Chiropractors deal with the structure and function aspect regularly and many are also trained in nutrition.

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on August 17, 2011
at 01:00 AM

That is a 3rd Question! And while, it is a great one, it is one that requires a long answer. It is scientifically-accepted that a CW diet delivers an inferior environment to the cell than does a Paleo-type diet. The paleo-type diet will result in more optimal cell behavior/function over the long run. Scoliosis, although it is a very complex, multi-faceted, multi-systemic condition, is actually just a complex summation of NMS cellular dysfunction. This dysfunction is, at least in part, due to longstanding/prolonged cellular exposure to deficient and/or toxic cellular environments.

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on August 17, 2011
at 12:52 AM

Justmfinished her case......paralyzed to walking in three days. I am going to ask her to let me use her case for a blog......it is amazing what her leaky gut did to her.

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on August 17, 2011
at 12:35 AM

Why, exactly, is a paleo diet better for this? What is it about a CW diet that causes or aggravates it?

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on August 17, 2011
at 12:34 AM

I thought it was one question. I am interested in prevention.

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on August 17, 2011
at 12:30 AM

to clarify, I am interested in prevention in young people, not necessarily in what you can do later in life.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on August 16, 2011
at 02:16 AM

plus 1...........

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on August 16, 2011
at 02:15 AM

extreme case but in IBS and Crohns I see this all the time.....less severe presentation than above but they develop significant curves when their disease flares.

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on July 05, 2011
at 03:05 PM

Since specialized exercises form the core of one scoliosis intervention, this would make sense.

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417ac0e162dc468b8ca61a574e5cd3c0

on August 16, 2011
at 11:30 PM

Hello Loon: You actually ask two different questions (one in the subject header and another in the body). My answer to the first Q. is: Paleo diet alone will have a positive effect, but is less effective than using Paleo diet PLUS a comprehensive, holistic approach that includes both general and specific physical optimization. Your second question is what can be done to slow or prevent scoliosis in adolescents: Each case is unique but in general I suggest a program as follows for most cases where current curve under 40 degrees: (in no particular order of importance, as there is NO hierarchy, they are all beneficial ideas)

-A modified paleolithic diet plus a limited number of whole-food-based, non-synthetic supplements

-A general program of genetically-congruent, highly-diversified, physical activity (a diversified program that involves strength, flexibility, aerobic conditioning and proprioception/body awareness/balance development)

-A specific program of brief, but consistently-performed-at-home, spinal correction exercise that have been taught to client by either a DC or PT ( either should have advanced proficiency) or someone else who actually knows and understand the complex NMS issues re. scoliosis.

-Regular (2-4 per month for 25-40 degrees, 1-2 per month for <25 dgrees), specific chiropractic-type adjustments focused on releasing the numerous intersegmental joint restrictions throughout the entire spine.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on August 17, 2011
at 12:35 AM

Why, exactly, is a paleo diet better for this? What is it about a CW diet that causes or aggravates it?

417ac0e162dc468b8ca61a574e5cd3c0

on August 17, 2011
at 01:00 AM

That is a 3rd Question! And while, it is a great one, it is one that requires a long answer. It is scientifically-accepted that a CW diet delivers an inferior environment to the cell than does a Paleo-type diet. The paleo-type diet will result in more optimal cell behavior/function over the long run. Scoliosis, although it is a very complex, multi-faceted, multi-systemic condition, is actually just a complex summation of NMS cellular dysfunction. This dysfunction is, at least in part, due to longstanding/prolonged cellular exposure to deficient and/or toxic cellular environments.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on August 17, 2011
at 01:01 AM

As John points out each case is unique. Structural scoliosis from a hemivertebrae is a far different matter from a functional scoliosis.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on August 17, 2011
at 01:01 AM

+1....this does not answer the paleo aspect for you, but is a much better comprehensive answer. In essence, its not just diet here. Its structure and function also. You can't pick and choose which aspects of health to pay attention to, especially in extreme circumstances. Thats why "holistic". Movement, optimal ROM and flexibility, balance and proprioception, and yes diet are all key. Chiropractors deal with the structure and function aspect regularly and many are also trained in nutrition.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on August 17, 2011
at 03:09 PM

how do you go about getting an expert? Is there some particular training or certification they should be looking for?

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on August 17, 2011
at 12:34 AM

I thought it was one question. I am interested in prevention.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on August 16, 2011
at 02:14 AM

Yes it can......but the patient has to go through an extensive work up and make wholesale changes. I have a patient right now in the hospital with acute spinal cord compression from a c4-5 grade 3 spondylolisthesis from a leaky gut. she also has developed a very severe thoraco lumbar curve. She just got diagnosed with a new autoimmune disease and an one other disease this week and got this acute issue and could not longer walk. She is likely headed for a major surgery this week.

All from a leaky gut.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on August 16, 2011
at 02:15 AM

extreme case but in IBS and Crohns I see this all the time.....less severe presentation than above but they develop significant curves when their disease flares.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on August 17, 2011
at 08:20 PM

Let us know when it hits the blog... would like to see it as a case studyesk type thing.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on August 17, 2011
at 12:52 AM

Justmfinished her case......paralyzed to walking in three days. I am going to ask her to let me use her case for a blog......it is amazing what her leaky gut did to her.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on August 17, 2011
at 10:26 PM

She had her final reconstruction done this pm....I am going to ask her to let me make her case a blog post as a teaching case for us all.

9c34a72c6cdaeec079243490ae49138e

on August 06, 2012
at 02:00 PM

... how is she? Did you write a blog post about the case? Have a case of scoliosis and MS coming up and would love to compare with other multiple autoimmune cases.

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2f361c2cec9ddf7409bf0094977aac1e

on July 04, 2011
at 08:15 PM

Hmmm, interesting question. I've never suffered from scoliosis, so I went out to snag a basic definition of it. (NOTE: I'm not a doctor and do not play one on TV, nor did I spend the night at a Holiday Express.)

http://www.webmd.com/back-pain/tc/scoliosis-cause http://www.iscoliosis.com/causes.html

It appears that for nonstructural, reversible scoliosis, there can be a genetic component. I found it interesting that the Webmd entry mentioned inflammatory conditions as a possible contributor to scoliosis. COULD a Paleo diet, focused on the elimination of inflammatory foods, help mitigate scoliosis?

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on July 04, 2011
at 08:14 PM

A former yoga teacher of mine told me that doctors wanted to operate on her back when she was about 17. Through yoga she was able to heal her scoliosis enough to avoid the operation.

You might want to look into that option.

2f361c2cec9ddf7409bf0094977aac1e

(150)

on July 05, 2011
at 03:05 PM

Since specialized exercises form the core of one scoliosis intervention, this would make sense.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on August 17, 2011
at 12:30 AM

to clarify, I am interested in prevention in young people, not necessarily in what you can do later in life.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on August 17, 2011
at 01:33 AM

17..is fairly young. But, the earlier to start even better.

723e9af1560a89e7d8148b386151c15d

(38)

on November 13, 2011
at 02:37 PM

@Glither: I was by no means saying that anyone with scoliosis shouls be operated (as I've already said above: "I DON'T think that operation is an option") and that doctors (esp. surgeons) know what they're doing (obviously, they don't cause they don't understand scoliosis). BTW, I'm also aware of far-reaching consequences of operations in scoliotics including loss of sight.

723e9af1560a89e7d8148b386151c15d

(38)

on November 13, 2011
at 01:23 AM

What exactly do you mean by "heal her scoliosis enough"? Are you saying that her curvature had decreased? If so, than how much (in degrees)? And if not, what healing are you talking abot!? (I assume you're not quite sure about it; thus you have no moral right to advise such a "treatment".) BTW, I DON'T think that operation is an option. As for yoga, I have a lot of evidence that yoga will likely lead to acceleration in development of scoliosis or even trigger it.

Medium avatar

(3029)

on November 13, 2011
at 05:40 AM

Moral right to advise??? I didn't advise anything. Please reread my comment. I don't know this yoga teacher very well (I switched to another studio). What I know is that she was scheduled to have an operation. Instead did yoga to try to improve the situation. She apparently did improve it. Now, years later, she hasn't been operated on. I haven't seen her x-rays. She claims that yoga made her better. Just sharing information.

Medium avatar

(3029)

on November 13, 2011
at 08:31 PM

Just wanted to point people in a direction they might want to investigate. That's all.

723e9af1560a89e7d8148b386151c15d

(38)

on November 13, 2011
at 02:36 PM

@Glither: Actually you did. Your answer implies advice (If not what's the point of posting it? If your point is just sharing information, then I should say it's competely insufficient). So what kind of improvment took place? Often yoga and exercises may "help" in some way e.g. by improving trophism. But in long term most exercises lead to progression - I got such evidence myself and I'm aware about lots of other examples! Most yoga activities are tend to be very traumatic for scoliotics and often cause damage even in healthy people.

723e9af1560a89e7d8148b386151c15d

(38)

on November 14, 2011
at 06:39 PM

I suppose, you could not know that it's not a good idea. I've made similar mistakes in the past pointing others in wrong directions (which, as I understand now, I should investigate myself first - or refrain from advising) till I had suffered enough from groundless and misleading advices myself. Lakhen akhshav ani yoter zahir beshituf meida, umeahel gam lakh.

723e9af1560a89e7d8148b386151c15d

(38)

on November 14, 2011
at 06:39 PM

Does it make more sense now?

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(3029)

on November 13, 2011
at 05:41 AM

If we're talking morals, I have a friend who was operated on for scoliosis while in junior high. She's 50. She suffered greatly from the long term outcome of her operation. And by greatly, I mean spending 6 years in bed until she found alternative therapies to relieve her pain. Pain from the consequestions of her operation, not from the scoliosis. The doctors did something not having a clue what the long term effects would be, and they weren't good in her case.

Medium avatar

(3029)

on November 13, 2011
at 10:58 PM

ma zeh leetach?

723e9af1560a89e7d8148b386151c15d

(38)

on November 13, 2011
at 02:37 PM

@Glither: But that doesn't make yoga a better option. I have serious scoliosis myself (supposedly more severe then that yoga teacher) but I didn't (and shall not - even taking into account the progreesion) undergo the operation which doctors considered necessary. Still, it doesn't necessarily mean I had a relief from something else (actually, I didn't). P.S. My point is that if one have scoliosis (s)he should change his/her diet in the first place, find good osteopathic physician and (s)he neds RELAXATION (NOT activity!).

Medium avatar

(3029)

on November 14, 2011
at 07:19 PM

much better .

723e9af1560a89e7d8148b386151c15d

(38)

on November 13, 2011
at 10:33 PM

I suppose, you could not know that it's not a good idea. I've made similar mistakes in the past pointing others in wrong directions (which, as I understand now, I should investigate myself first - or refrain from advising) till I had suffered enough from groundless and misleading advices myself. So now I'm more carefull with recommendations; Ani Mikaveh she zeh domeh Leeetach.

723e9af1560a89e7d8148b386151c15d

(38)

on November 14, 2011
at 06:38 PM

It supposed to refer to your gender somehow as it was explained. I guess, the translation I've used was not correct.

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on July 05, 2011
at 12:23 PM

This thread is relevant to my interests. I recently realized I have scoliosis... didn't discover this until I was 27. My manager, who likes to give everyone brief backrubs with words of encouragement, found it while rubbing my back one day. He commented, "Tommy, your back is crooked." I argued that it wasn't but alas, when I got home I had my wife check and she confirmed a bend in my spine right between my shoulder blades. No idea when this happened, or what caused it. So far no symptoms have arisen, but it bothers me to know that its there.

I haven???t been to a doctor about it yet??? I???m horrible about going to doctors for anything less than partial or full amputation of a limb or similar. But I???ve been wanting to get some blood work done now that I???ve gone paleo, so whenever I get around to scheduling that I???ll have the doctor mess with my spine too. Perhaps a good strong punch to my left shoulder will fix things??? better find a strong doctor?

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on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

Short answer...find a good chiropractor.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on August 17, 2011
at 03:00 PM

I was searching for a longer answer, that's all

417ac0e162dc468b8ca61a574e5cd3c0

on August 17, 2011
at 05:56 AM

+1 : Someone else have you a negative, yet you gave a legit answer to the question that Loon posed: "What I am interested in are methods to slow or prevent scoliosis in adolescents."

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on April 09, 2012
at 07:32 AM

My book "Your Plan for Natural Scoliosis Prevention and Treatment: Health In Your Hands" outlines the diet that is specifically for scoliosis sufferers. It's paleo approved and I recommend it for all scoliosis sufferers. For more info visit: www.HIYH.info

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