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Could raw milk have given my kids diarrhea?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 16, 2012 at 4:41 AM

Both my kids have diarrhea and I gave them both raw milk for the first time a few days ago. Obviously there are so many factors that could be the cause, but I wonder if this is common? They both have had pasteurized milk many times with no problems. This is the 3rd day I have given it to them, the first few days they were fine, no problems. One is 3 the other is a year old. The milk is not expired and we keep it in the fridge. We also heat the bottles up to about 90 degrees before giving them the milk.

It could be anything from a stomach bug to something else they ate as well. My husband and I have both eaten everything they have with no problems. We haven't given them anything new, other than the raw milk. The only other thing I can think of is the bone broth I made on Monday, I gave to them last night. I read it stays good for a week in the fridge, but maybe only a few days. My husband and I as well as our dogs ate the broth as well with no problems..

Any thoughts/ advice would be great!!

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on June 14, 2012
at 06:50 AM

"Just don't think about it and buy it every week"- blind following is probably not that useful.

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on April 19, 2012
at 09:22 PM

Final update.... I have concluded that this was a stomach bug and not the raw milk. The next day I came down with symptoms and It had been 6 days since I had any raw milk. Also several of our friends and family got sick as well 24 hours after contact with the kids and none of them had the raw milk. What a terrible virus!!

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on April 17, 2012
at 12:22 AM

As a child, I drank store-bought pasteurized milk. As a teenager, I farmed dairy goats, and drank raw milk. And when I moved out during college, I went back on store-bought pasteurized cows milk. Can't say my health was better during that time when I drank raw goat milk. And now, I'm milk-free (still do some dairy) and feeling better than ever, though I don't know if I can attribute that to forgoing milk.

D5dff6376e17373751ccf4a10aaa0b34

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on April 16, 2012
at 10:50 PM

I really agree with this, after hemming and hawing for months with myself about this. There is simply not a lot of evidence that raw milk is that much better that it is not worth even a tiny little risk or even the worry of a tiny risk.

D5dff6376e17373751ccf4a10aaa0b34

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on April 16, 2012
at 10:47 PM

I'm really glad they are ok! Could have been a stomach bug and not related, we had this happen once or twice. Thanks for keeping us updated.

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on April 16, 2012
at 04:14 PM

Raw milk doesn't expire,it just turns sour,but is still safe to eat.I have kept raw milk for months in the fridge,using it in place of buttermilk.Your kids probably caught a stomach bug.I'd give them probiotic,every hour until the diahrrea stops.They sell unflavored powder probiotic for babies.You also have to make sure they stay hydrated.Unflavored coconut water works best in my experience

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on April 16, 2012
at 02:33 PM

The broth was at the coldest part of the fridge and I heated it before putting it in the sauce.

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on April 16, 2012
at 02:31 PM

The oatmeal seems to be staying down fune and they are playing, with every like normal. They never had a fever. So strange..

Fc64db6a555559762432d503a1dbad19

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on April 16, 2012
at 02:26 PM

No I live in California. They recently lifted the bann here you you can get it in many health food stores. They are only allowing specific brands that have never had an outbreak, with extensive testing.

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on April 16, 2012
at 02:24 PM

Update... They are both feeling fine this morning as if nothing happened. I gave them water with electrolytes. I might do some coconut water too. The water stayed down fine and they are eating some oatmeal with no problems. Thanks for all the help, it could be anything, but I will hold off the raw milk for a while. Bummer, because I was so excited about it and it tasted soo good.

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on April 16, 2012
at 02:19 PM

http://clackamas.katu.com/news/news/468947-four-kids-end-ecoli-after-drinking-raw-milk

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on April 16, 2012
at 12:38 PM

We grew up drinking dairy from a milk cow, my grandma's, and she would heat up any of the milk to temp for kids, just like her mom did. I think that raw milk is fine and delicious, but it is still important to recognize that there is some culture around making it safer for small children and pregnant women. There are a couple of dangerous species of microbe that naturally grow on cows udders. I personally enjoy the treat of raw milk, but becoming sick is definitely possible.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on April 16, 2012
at 12:36 PM

Handling only goes so far for raw milk- there are several dangerous microbiota that are a natural part of the udder (inner and outer) flora of the cow, which most people can handle easily, but pregnant women and children can be more vulnerable to.

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on April 16, 2012
at 12:35 PM

Addendum-- Especially if it's little kids, what Jenny J said is right. If they start to get dehydrated, feverish, etc. and can't keep any fluids down I'd head to the ER to be safe.

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on April 16, 2012
at 12:35 PM

It seems like it is more likely a coincidence, since you and your husband have already had the milk. Also, it's unlikely to be contaminated if they've already had it for a few days before getting sick. But, I find that with my kids stomach bugs + milk do NOT mix well. It *could* be the raw milk, definitely, but based on what you've said it seems a little unlikely. At any rate, watch whatever's going on closely as you would with any stomach bug.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on April 16, 2012
at 12:34 PM

Be ready to head to the emergency room. Make sure they do not get dehydrated, and don't mess around if they seem to be excreting water through diarrhea or vomit faster than they are taking it in- kids will go from safe to dangerous really quick. It could be any number of microbes from the raw milk (or other food items) causing this.

D5dff6376e17373751ccf4a10aaa0b34

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on April 16, 2012
at 06:44 AM

Keep us updated, watch for fevers and take them to the doctor or emergency room if they get one, or seem really dehydrated. Just in case. I assume you will hold off on more milk until they feel better. This could just be a coincidence with milk, likely actually.

Fc64db6a555559762432d503a1dbad19

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on April 16, 2012
at 06:11 AM

We bought a brand called organic pastures, it is supposed to be very clean brand that is constantly tested and has never had an outbreak. We bought it from a store and the just got it shipped in that day.

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at 05:38 AM

update... the 3 year old just threw up too. He never throws up.

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on June 14, 2012
at 03:11 AM

Chris Kresser wrote a nice post on raw milk buying guidelines http://chriskresser.com/raw-milk-reality-buying-raw-milk-safely

Free Guide Raw Milk Guide http://www.traditional-foods.com/resources/Buyers-Guide.pdf

The best article on raw milk I've seen so far! http://chriskresser.com/raw-milk-reality-is-raw-milk-dangerous

Books:

The Raw Milk Revolution: Behind America's Emerging Battle Over Food Rights by David E. Gumpert and Joel F. Salatin

The Untold Story of Milk, Revised and Updated: The History, Politics and Science of Nature's Perfect Food: Raw Milk from Pasture-Fed Cows by Dr. Ron Schmid, ND

*The Raw Truth About Mil*k by Dr. William Campbell Douglass II, MD

I used to be terrified of raw milk until November 2011 when I started to drink it regularly.

Background: My mother was unable to nurse me due to severe medical issues, and cow's milk was hard to digest, so my first food was goat's milk. I drank pasteurized cow dairy later (sadly mostly low fat) products from an early age until age 26 and suffered gas. From age 11-26, I had acne which showed no improvement on various creams and antibiotics (now know the worst choice). Doctors said it "couldn't be dietary!"

At age 26,I self-diagnosed myself with lactose intolerance and switched to almond milk and using Lactaid (lactase enzyme supplement) for the occasional dairy. My acne disappeared and friends and family noticed. I never had issues with butter so ate it my entire life because all fake butters and margarines disgusted me.

I started low-carb reducing grains at age 31, then Paleo at age 32. My eczema went away on Paleo. 1 month after dairy elimination while supporting my husband on Paleo (he was going through a very rough time with gluten and autoimmune issues), we both reintroduced dairy - this time 100% whole pastured grass-fed but pasteurized. We had no issues with any amount of heavy cream, butter, and ghee. Other dairy products such as sour cream, cheese and yogurt no more then 1 serving a day would be fine but any more amounts of these products caused slight acne.

After the Weston Price Foundation conference meeting nearly 1000+ people consuming raw dairy their entire life extolling it's virtues, reading the literature, and visiting the raw dairy farms we decided n=1000 was too big to ignore. We realized raw milk was more natural then almond milk.

We have been consuming raw pastured whole fat grass-fed butter, heavy cream, milk, cheese, yogurt, sour cream, egg nog, creme fraiche (NOT all in 1 day) with NO symptoms - in fact we feel better then ever! We slowly increased the quantity to about 4 servings a day - we've never eaten that much dairy, and I don't think we would consume more because it's too filling and satiating.

Unlike in the past, as a child when I ate processed ice cream and felt addicted (perhaps opiate receptors, sugar, and gluten), the raw dairy I don't feel addicted to it. Whether I have 1-3 servings a day, I don't want anymore. When we travel and limit dairy (because it's pasteurized) we miss 2 things the most - raw dairy and fermented veggies!

We learned a lot WAPF, and Natasha Campbell-McBride whose GAPS diet is quite similar to Paleo recommending reintroducing raw dairy in small amounts once the gut was sealed and healed. We have come to believe the more probiotic species the better for the immune system and the best way to collect a wide variety is through raw dairy since fermented vegetables don't have that diversity. Even here on PH, kefir is acknowledged to have the most species! http://paleohacks.com/questions/73151/which-has-a-greater-number-of-species-and-quantity-of-probiotics-fermented-vegg#axzz1m8YbEQOt

Since raw dairy helps with allergies, which is an overreaction of the immune system - perhaps it might help with autoimmune issues too?

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on April 16, 2012
at 06:41 PM

I've bought local raw milk from a health foods store down here and was sick for 5 weeks. GI doc said I had a fairly severe intestinal bug, but as I finally swallowed my pride and went to the doc (I was young and stubborn) it was near the end of the illness, I didn't bother with the fecal tests.

This isn't a slam on raw dairy, as I've had plenty of raw milk foods since, but only from the farm and never purchased from a store...

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on April 16, 2012
at 05:08 PM

It very well could have been the store-bought raw milk. Personally, unless I harvest the milk myself, I really don't trust raw milk. The upside is small, and the risk is significant.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on April 17, 2012
at 12:22 AM

As a child, I drank store-bought pasteurized milk. As a teenager, I farmed dairy goats, and drank raw milk. And when I moved out during college, I went back on store-bought pasteurized cows milk. Can't say my health was better during that time when I drank raw goat milk. And now, I'm milk-free (still do some dairy) and feeling better than ever, though I don't know if I can attribute that to forgoing milk.

D5dff6376e17373751ccf4a10aaa0b34

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on April 16, 2012
at 10:50 PM

I really agree with this, after hemming and hawing for months with myself about this. There is simply not a lot of evidence that raw milk is that much better that it is not worth even a tiny little risk or even the worry of a tiny risk.

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on April 16, 2012
at 04:39 PM

I have been drinking raw milk from the Amish for two years and never had an issue. I love it.

TJ

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Fd1c5e35538fbe2ea5eccb8acd7ae546

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on April 16, 2012
at 04:23 PM

I am glad your kids feel better.Don't be scared of the raw milk.It will strengthen your kids' immune systems since it introduces all kinds of good and not so good bacteria into their guts.And that's where good immunity starts.I've been giving my son raw milk since he was 1 and he's never had diarhhea.The possibility of getting e coli is greater from pasteurized milk as it is dead and has no good guys to fight the bad,so they proliferate faster and stronger.Not so much with raw milk.Just don't think about it and buy it every week as if it is regular milk.Also the standards for contamination for raw milk are so high,that chances it would be contaminated are slim

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on June 14, 2012
at 06:50 AM

"Just don't think about it and buy it every week"- blind following is probably not that useful.

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on April 16, 2012
at 02:16 PM

Just curious... do you live in the Portland area? There are many people sick from e.coli from a raw milk farm here (Foundation Farm). Google "raw milk" and "clackamas" and you will find many articles.

Also, I used to drink raw milk and my understanding was that if you are a newbie to the milk and your gut isn't used to the new bacteria it is quite easy to begin with some mild digestion distress. We stopped drinking it after 6 months or so because we just decided the risk/health benefit for our children wasn't worth it. And I'm so glad we made that decision because this is the farm we purchased from.

To be safe, I would encourage you to go to your physician. You DO NOT want your kids to go down the path the kids here in Portland are going down (possible kidney transplants, dialysis).

Good luck to you.

Fc64db6a555559762432d503a1dbad19

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on April 16, 2012
at 02:26 PM

No I live in California. They recently lifted the bann here you you can get it in many health food stores. They are only allowing specific brands that have never had an outbreak, with extensive testing.

Fb9739a7d4da8248d42747ba1c382343

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on April 16, 2012
at 02:19 PM

http://clackamas.katu.com/news/news/468947-four-kids-end-ecoli-after-drinking-raw-milk

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on April 16, 2012
at 12:56 PM

Might want to read this.

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on April 16, 2012
at 12:21 PM

It may be the milk, but it seems more likely that it was the bone broth.

First, a few people take some adjustments to raw milk, because of the additional enzymes and bacteria. Do you wat other fermented foods? Secondly, it could be "die off" from the additional good probiotics and bacteria. My raw milk stays good for about 7 days in the fridge.

Bone broth can sometimes stay good for a week, provided the fridge is cold enough, and the "fat cap" on top is sealed. I always make sure to bring broth to a boil for three minutes before cooking with it or serving it.

Lastly, check the temperaturem of your fridge. I once found my food going bad quicker, and realized the temperature was 50 degrees!

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on April 16, 2012
at 02:33 PM

The broth was at the coldest part of the fridge and I heated it before putting it in the sauce.

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on April 16, 2012
at 05:50 AM

Depending on where you got it and how it was handled, it can be the culprit.

Fc64db6a555559762432d503a1dbad19

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on April 16, 2012
at 06:11 AM

We bought a brand called organic pastures, it is supposed to be very clean brand that is constantly tested and has never had an outbreak. We bought it from a store and the just got it shipped in that day.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on April 16, 2012
at 12:36 PM

Handling only goes so far for raw milk- there are several dangerous microbiota that are a natural part of the udder (inner and outer) flora of the cow, which most people can handle easily, but pregnant women and children can be more vulnerable to.

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on April 16, 2012
at 05:24 AM

I don't have any specific advice but my answer to the posted question is "YES" it could be the raw milk. I'm not a huge milk fan generally and I'm not sure I totally buy the Raw thing. It's not that I think that pasteurized is great stuff, I don't, but it's worth noting that "This milk like our grandma drank" isn't, not really. In the case of my grandma my dad went and milked the cow himself before it was poured over 3 day old bread with a spoon of white sugar. I'm not sure how many people are getting milk anywhere near that fresh.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on April 16, 2012
at 12:38 PM

We grew up drinking dairy from a milk cow, my grandma's, and she would heat up any of the milk to temp for kids, just like her mom did. I think that raw milk is fine and delicious, but it is still important to recognize that there is some culture around making it safer for small children and pregnant women. There are a couple of dangerous species of microbe that naturally grow on cows udders. I personally enjoy the treat of raw milk, but becoming sick is definitely possible.

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