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Optimum body weight for male 5'7"

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 04, 2013 at 1:31 AM

There is a certain poster that keeps making fun of my bodyweight of 145 as an adult male. What would be the optimum weight for someone of my height and build. BTW, as of yesterday with a 7 site skinfold test, I am at 5.8% bodyfat.

For reference I have included a short video of me rock climbing. Am I too light, as one particular poster seems to reference, even comparing me to that 30 banana a day person?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShX5oCGKvdY

No, I am not promoting myself or products, so don't worry about that.

Edit...it seems after two days, the general consensus is that I am at a health weight. Thanks for the responses.

3d58b5fb4f9780e2f47d4dcc53338a5a

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on August 13, 2013
at 02:16 PM

I perhaps phrased it wrong about "chronic cardo." I meant, like chronic cardio people, you might be overdoing it. Once again, the emphasis on "might." I have to say that because I have a tendency to overdo it sometimes and I have to constantly check myself to make sure! It's hard to self assess that sometimes.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 09, 2013
at 03:03 AM

I have been climbing for about 12 years, but more passionately for the last 3.5 yrs.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 09, 2013
at 03:01 AM

Very well written answer.

1f9b52f29960095986234231d91e1967

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on August 07, 2013
at 10:16 PM

This question was honestly fascinating to me, and I tried to answer it as.. Objectively? Honestly? as possible. // Out of curiosity, when/how was your beginning to rock climbing? I am very fond of Boulder, Colorado, and the surrounding mountains, but have yet to take it up.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 06, 2013
at 01:34 AM

I have to disagree on a couple points. Climbing Is not chronic cardio, and would be more like sprints with your forearms. Also, as to having to adjust my eating, a healthy metabolism will increase hunger during higher activity levels, and decrease it during less active times. Btw, I have friends climbing strong well into their 60's. I do intentionally train in a way that does not lead to hypertrophic, but focuses on max strength instead, that's why I bench 315.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 06, 2013
at 01:30 AM

I now, I am considered heavy to some of the people I train with.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 06, 2013
at 01:29 AM

See above comment. Last hydrostatic test I did was 0.2 less than the 7 site skin fold. If I go for a run and dehydrate myself, I have vessels sticking out everywhere.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 06, 2013
at 01:28 AM

No, I frame you as someone who gives lot of bad advice to many people. Btw, I did a hydrostatic body fat measure about 7 months ago, and it shower 5.9 at the same time a 7 sit skinfold test showed 6.1

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 06, 2013
at 01:26 AM

Why do you say it would be anxiety laden? You must be scared of heights. I do some free soloing on the flatirons, but nothing above 5.6, as it is not worth the risk. I use a rope for much harder climbs.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 05, 2013
at 08:18 PM

When did I state what my ideal for body composition was? If you must know mine is Jim wendlers frame. Stocky, big traps, no abs.

C6648ab69e5a1560c7585fe3ba7108fb

(880)

on August 05, 2013
at 08:16 PM

If I could double upvote Wisper's comment, I would.

C6648ab69e5a1560c7585fe3ba7108fb

(880)

on August 05, 2013
at 08:15 PM

To be fair, however, how many professional athletes do you see posting on PaleoHacks? For every one person you give good advice to, you might set 10 or 15 people who AREN'T at that level of fitness on the wrong track for their goals.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on August 05, 2013
at 07:16 PM

If your body ideal are hardcore gym rats and fitness models, you might want to look up body dysmorphia before giving advise on body image.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 05, 2013
at 09:43 AM

Have you tried almond butter and lamb along with orange juice. You can pretty much get the same macros and calories from those three sources as you could from the milk and peanut butter.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 05, 2013
at 07:34 AM

What world are you in lol

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on August 05, 2013
at 12:52 AM

200 pounds for most all guys is obese.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on August 04, 2013
at 11:09 PM

It's easy if you don't have skin or gut problems, which is why I have to do strict paleo. I have deviated for periods from the a paleo type diet, but old symptoms always return.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 04, 2013
at 10:49 PM

gallon of milk a day. 500g peanut butter a day. Squats, deadlifts, bench press and overhead press. chinups, dips, hanging leg raises, glute ham raises. putting on weight is easy and the most enjoyable thing ever.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on August 04, 2013
at 10:42 PM

I get you brotha. I am a serious recreational athlete but even then I wouldn't be taking dextrose and carb drinks daily because I am not an elite athlete. I do eat carbs, but only paleo carbs. I get where you are coming from.

D396b126240f584bc358e6e4fd84e9e3

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on August 04, 2013
at 05:47 PM

Why do you film yourself rock climbing? You are one strange dude.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 04, 2013
at 01:16 PM

Can I just ask what the enjoyment of rock climbing is, do you do it without ropes? If so it just seems like that would be an anxiety laden experience. Also do you do that Alex Honnold shit or is that like the premier league of rock climbing?

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 04, 2013
at 01:12 PM

Also lets remember I did not start the ad hominem attacks, you did lol.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 04, 2013
at 12:39 PM

I actually try to keep my muscle mass where it is rather than increasing for that very reason.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 04, 2013
at 12:37 PM

Thanks, that is sort of what I was thinking, but I wanted some other opinions.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 04, 2013
at 12:35 PM

I agree there are more important things to worry about. I have been comfortable at this weight and composition for over a year and a half. But I have made comments to a certain, and they have said that at my size, although they probably haven't seen pics, that I am underweight as an adult male. I just wanted a second or third opinion on the matter.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 04, 2013
at 12:31 PM

It is a real question. GruffaloUnchained has made repeated comments that I am too light as an adult male.

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on August 04, 2013
at 10:18 AM

Yes, you are far too light. As a man you have failed, you should kill yourself. Look this is a ridiculous question and you know it. But congratulations on your YouTube video views.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on August 04, 2013
at 07:15 AM

Are you sure this is a real question or are you just bragging?

089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

(5635)

on August 04, 2013
at 01:36 AM

freakin spiderman! if you can do that, then who cares what your weight is? that's awesome.

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76026e8ef496039d5075440ff731aa0d

on August 04, 2013
at 06:39 AM

I know you haven't asked this at all, but after reading your questions, all that keeps popping into my head is "Do I need to return my "man" card cause, I'm 145 lbs, 5'7, 5.8% body fat and hanging upside down for the better part of a minute...00:45 seconds in before I picked up on the fact you were upside down! I didn't REALISE!

So, my answer to your question that you didn't ask...you have a Man beard, you're getting dirty and it looked like a scene from Cliffhanger, these are all things check marked under "Are you a manly man??? questionnaire.

To answer your actual question ??? You were hanging upside down for 00:45 seconds before I realized! That???s gotta count as tough as shit? screw that guy...

Truth.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 04, 2013
at 12:37 PM

Thanks, that is sort of what I was thinking, but I wanted some other opinions.

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on August 04, 2013
at 07:22 AM

Hmmm....what is ideal? How about heavy enough to not blow away in a strong breeze, but not so heavy so as to not be able to get out of a chair without grunting?

If you fall between those two, there are probably more important things to be worrying about, like how to reverse global warming before most of the major cities of the world look like Venice, although judging from that video it looks like you could just leap from building to building.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 04, 2013
at 12:35 PM

I agree there are more important things to worry about. I have been comfortable at this weight and composition for over a year and a half. But I have made comments to a certain, and they have said that at my size, although they probably haven't seen pics, that I am underweight as an adult male. I just wanted a second or third opinion on the matter.

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1f9b52f29960095986234231d91e1967

on August 07, 2013
at 09:52 PM

In an attempt to answer this question as honestly as possible,

Many / most modern-day claims that a human being is "underweight" seem to stem from two ideas:

  • Some (more, it seems, in modern times than in the 60's or 20's or 1800's) human beings find more - especially "bulky" - muscles in males attractive or desirable for psychological or philosophical purposes.

  • Some (less, it seems, in modern times, than in the 40's/50's) human beings dislike slimmer-framed females, also often because of personal attraction or psychological or philosophical ideas. (Julia Child, in her younger days, is known for having been "uncomfortable" because she did not have the "presence" or "strength" being a "larger"/"bustier" female would've represented at the time.)

A third note:

  • There are varying bodily compositions: A basic three (especially as related to males) are...
    1. very slim (dense musculature that does not (or rarely does) increase in bulk, fine striations often visible in developed musculature, little body fat),
    2. moderate/athlete (slightly more body fat, musculature has a tendency to be "puffier" and increase in volume more, but still fairly "slim" in terms of width of body in proposing to height. Young African males often have this build.), and
    3. sturdier (more broad-shouldered and broad-chested in both males and females, more tendency to increase the mass of muscles significantly, tendency towards a much larger width as compared to height when healthy.)

However, body composition can also be changed and is at least fluid in being able to change from "slimmer" to "sturdier", or being able to add muscle without necessarily changing build, so it is a non-rigid way of looking at it.


All that being said,

This means that there are necessarily human being males who are naturally at a very low body-fat percentage (4-5%) even prior to any sort of intensive physical training and not particularly prone to increase in size of musculature.

If such a tribe of peoples encountered peoples who were built "sturdily", they would no doubt appear odd, or at the least "different", to the "slimmer" tribespeople.

If the "sturdier" tribe encountered the "slimmer" tribe, the "slimmer" peoples could perhaps appear underweight in a similar fashion to the "sturdier" tribespeople potentially appearing overweight to the "slimmer" tribespeople.


Musculature increasing in mass (the primary cause of weight gain past having a sturdier build with more body fat), or having more body fat, are not essential to male health.

So long as the body lacks problems internally, is vital, and not emaciated due to atrophy or catabolizing itself, health appears to be strong. And weight appears thus to suit health well.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 09, 2013
at 03:01 AM

Very well written answer.

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742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on August 04, 2013
at 10:45 PM

Well if you are a skinny man-boy at 145lbs, imagine me. I stand at 5'7 130 lbs, and putting weight on is pretty hard when you have an active job for 40 hours of the week and play soccer almost daily. 145lbs is actually the ideal weight I would like to be at.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on August 04, 2013
at 11:09 PM

It's easy if you don't have skin or gut problems, which is why I have to do strict paleo. I have deviated for periods from the a paleo type diet, but old symptoms always return.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 05, 2013
at 09:43 AM

Have you tried almond butter and lamb along with orange juice. You can pretty much get the same macros and calories from those three sources as you could from the milk and peanut butter.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 04, 2013
at 10:49 PM

gallon of milk a day. 500g peanut butter a day. Squats, deadlifts, bench press and overhead press. chinups, dips, hanging leg raises, glute ham raises. putting on weight is easy and the most enjoyable thing ever.

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75d65450b6ff0be7b969fb321f1200ac

(2506)

on August 04, 2013
at 07:47 PM

Ideal weight? It depends on the objective. If you want optimal health I think you need to look at both weight and body fat. But for someone like yourself you can add 5% body fat, gain 20 lbs and you'll probably be just as healthy clinically. Yet of course most people have aesthetics in mind when they talk about ideal weight, and for that there is no standard.

FYI, I am also 5'7" but weigh about 5-7 lbs more than you (with much less muscle). The muscle heads at my gym tell me I'm skinny. But I think I'm the best I've been in many years (I'm 57 y.o.). I base this on strength, muscle suppleness, and aesthetics (..in my eyes).

_Lazza

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Acb677529a6974737bf1905ccfc7f748

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on August 04, 2013
at 05:37 PM

Dude, unless you're one of those John Dunne http://www.redriverclimbing.com/viewtopic.php?t=12481 (see first post) British freaks, you wouldn't be sending V9 with any more weight.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 06, 2013
at 01:30 AM

I now, I am considered heavy to some of the people I train with.

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on August 04, 2013
at 05:06 AM

Well you wouldn't want to be heavier! That looked hard enough without having to carry anything extra!

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 04, 2013
at 12:39 PM

I actually try to keep my muscle mass where it is rather than increasing for that very reason.

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3d58b5fb4f9780e2f47d4dcc53338a5a

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on August 05, 2013
at 01:41 PM

A. In the grand scheme of things, you are doing things that most men can't do, so congratulations. B. On the other hand, I kind of get the idea behind the "you're too small" thought. The level and intensity of the exercise you are doing is a kind of "chronic cardio," as indicated by the muscles you're not getting doing that level of activity. When you exercise hard, your muscles should get bigger, but you seem to be pushing it at a level that is keeping you from getting more muscle mass. It's not that you "should" be bigger, but your weight might be a proxy for what you're putting your body through.

Don't get me wrong, you're in great shape, so this shouldn't really matter. What could matter is 30 years down the road. Are your joints going to be in shape? Are you going to be able adjust your eating if you stop exercising with such intesity?

I think you're doing great and shouldn't worry about what anyone else, including me, says, but keep in mind what the potential future issues might be.

On a side note, I'm 5'7" as well and am getting worried that I'm getting too muscular! I'm almost up to 190 lbs. I keep losing waist size and gaining weight. I should probably do what you do for a while!

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 06, 2013
at 01:34 AM

I have to disagree on a couple points. Climbing Is not chronic cardio, and would be more like sprints with your forearms. Also, as to having to adjust my eating, a healthy metabolism will increase hunger during higher activity levels, and decrease it during less active times. Btw, I have friends climbing strong well into their 60's. I do intentionally train in a way that does not lead to hypertrophic, but focuses on max strength instead, that's why I bench 315.

3d58b5fb4f9780e2f47d4dcc53338a5a

(2771)

on August 13, 2013
at 02:16 PM

I perhaps phrased it wrong about "chronic cardo." I meant, like chronic cardio people, you might be overdoing it. Once again, the emphasis on "might." I have to say that because I have a tendency to overdo it sometimes and I have to constantly check myself to make sure! It's hard to self assess that sometimes.

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9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 04, 2013
at 02:06 PM

Also let me just state for the record you seem to think I am reccomending everyone who does any cardio or weightlifting or sports at all should be doing what I do and drinking carb drinks and eating wholegrains.

I only recommend paleo 90/10 if someone is training on a scale where they are exerting so much energy that they won't recover, won't find it economical and won't get that little 5% boost during training from eating traditional 100% paleo and not the 10% non paleo foods.

If you are just doing hill sprints and a bodybuilding routine you don't need lots of sugar. If you are only doing a 10km you don't need sugar in huge abundance. But if you are doing MMA and training 4 plus hours (skill training and s&c) or you are trying to become a pro kickboxer or boxer, or you are doing navy seal type endurance training, or you are at the higher levels of sports. You can prove that there will be a significant benefit to high sugar supplementation in your diet.

I am not arguing the health benefits of sugars or wholegrains because its pointless. I am arguing the benefits of 90% paleo/ 10% non paleo. Rob Wolf acknowledges the need for athletes to enhance, so does cordain, it is just a fact.

You seem to be trying to frame me as a guy advocating the average dude who does some basic cardio and lifting needs to drink 100g dextrose post workout and drink a fruitcose 2:1 mix during. That is not what I was saying at all.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on August 04, 2013
at 10:42 PM

I get you brotha. I am a serious recreational athlete but even then I wouldn't be taking dextrose and carb drinks daily because I am not an elite athlete. I do eat carbs, but only paleo carbs. I get where you are coming from.

C6648ab69e5a1560c7585fe3ba7108fb

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on August 05, 2013
at 08:15 PM

To be fair, however, how many professional athletes do you see posting on PaleoHacks? For every one person you give good advice to, you might set 10 or 15 people who AREN'T at that level of fitness on the wrong track for their goals.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 06, 2013
at 01:28 AM

No, I frame you as someone who gives lot of bad advice to many people. Btw, I did a hydrostatic body fat measure about 7 months ago, and it shower 5.9 at the same time a 7 sit skinfold test showed 6.1

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9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 04, 2013
at 01:10 PM

200lbs really should be the minimum for a grown male in my view. you need to be skinny because you are hauling your ass up rock but I would say you would look your best at 190-200. Also out of curiosity have you ever paid for an actual scan, I am just over 10% bodyfat at the moment as I have just begun training and you look around the same bodyfat as me.

I have multiple friends from my first hardcore gym who are fitness models and I have seen them a week before a show and they are 5-7 percent bodyfat and you are not that lol, you can see their abs all chiseled, their read delts and traps are bursting out of their skint. You look at least 9% which is the leanest you should really be walking around at anyway for prolonged periods.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 05, 2013
at 07:34 AM

What world are you in lol

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on August 05, 2013
at 12:52 AM

200 pounds for most all guys is obese.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on August 05, 2013
at 07:16 PM

If your body ideal are hardcore gym rats and fitness models, you might want to look up body dysmorphia before giving advise on body image.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 06, 2013
at 01:29 AM

See above comment. Last hydrostatic test I did was 0.2 less than the 7 site skin fold. If I go for a run and dehydrate myself, I have vessels sticking out everywhere.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 04, 2013
at 01:12 PM

Also lets remember I did not start the ad hominem attacks, you did lol.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 05, 2013
at 08:18 PM

When did I state what my ideal for body composition was? If you must know mine is Jim wendlers frame. Stocky, big traps, no abs.

C6648ab69e5a1560c7585fe3ba7108fb

(880)

on August 05, 2013
at 08:16 PM

If I could double upvote Wisper's comment, I would.

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