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Can you think of a humane way we would have killed game in ancient times?

Commented on November 04, 2013
Created November 01, 2013 at 4:39 AM

Good evening I'm really experencing some difficulties here and would greatly appreciate support!

To keep this simple and to the point, I was a few weeks ago happily enjoying wild boar meat (only eating game, no farmed meat). However, after experiencing the following I am not so comfortable enjoying meat so far up the food chain:

1) Recently after experiencing some "connected-ness" with my dogs and watching youtube videos of wild boar that have became pets it just became near impossible to eat the boar anymore! I have this belief that we could have just as well domesticated wild boar and they would be our "dog" today! I really don't feel there is much difference between the 2, it's just how life turned out, we chose to domesticate wolves or dingos.

I am bummed because I am only eating molluscks now (oysters, mainly clams, some scallops) and I will every so often dream of all of the great recipes I used to conjure up with my boar meat!

2) What also turned me against the boar was I realized there is no way in heck in ancient times I would have been comfortable taking a knife and sticking it inside a boar, let alone any animal save molluscks. I understand today we have technology and the boar I was eating was rendered unconscious first by stunning THEN bled out, but this is exactly my point. Without today's technology in old times there would have been no unconscious first and this doesn't work for me. I like to base my beliefs off "what if I lived back then" kind of mentality.

I'm really having trouble deciding this issue. I can't think of any possible way in times before the stun gun or our technology where we could have humanely and as quick as possible killed game. Yea maybe with all my might while hiding out of sight from the boar I would have taken a log and as hard as I could wacked the animal to render it unconscious but to me that is still experiencing pain for even a split second.

Can anyone come up with any humane way in the past we would have caught game meat to eat with as minimal suffering to the animal done as possible? This would allow me to go back to enjoying game meat.

I appreciate your thoughts

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on November 04, 2013
at 07:00 PM

Ethics is fundamentally about the rational application of evaluative rules. The rules themselves ultimately derive from moral intuitions that aren't logical, but you should still be able to say what your rules are and show your work.

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on November 04, 2013
at 03:58 AM

@LAFruitGoblin Average lifespan.

Average meaning accounting for child deaths as well.

Since child deaths bring the average down, by a lot(because 6~7/10 die before hitting the age of 5), that means the average life span for ADULTS is around 7 years.

If they focused on agriculture, they would die WAY SOONER, because their fields would dry up.

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on November 04, 2013
at 02:18 AM

Your so obsessed with wanting to be like me you stalk me, I'm flattered. It makes me smile how much your reading comprehension and critical thinking skills are lacking.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on November 04, 2013
at 01:59 AM

priceless repartee

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on November 04, 2013
at 01:46 AM

Done. :)

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on November 03, 2013
at 11:05 PM

I watched a cat kill a chipmunk the other day. It held it its neck in its jaws and strangled the life out of it. Would you have deprived the cat of its ethically killed animal and eaten it? This is more local and natural than eating a GM imported factory farmed banana IMO. Though I would feel a twinge of guilt about stealing a cat's food.

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on November 03, 2013
at 10:54 PM

Let's raise wolves to kill animals for us. That's the natural way. Rip their throats out. Crush their skulls.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 09:48 PM

And look at this gem you horse blowing man mattress.

"

LAFruitGoblincommented

I like 70/30 meat on top though, 70% ground up baby lamb, and 30% hyena or pitbull organ meat, pulled from a living specimen; I humanely slaughter all the animals myself though with a chainsaw, so it should be okay."

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on November 03, 2013
at 09:47 PM

I don't kill foraging animals for pleasure. I eat them for pleasure. You can too, if you just relax a little.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 09:45 PM

Nobody reads your post, they merely point at them and laugh, you

hideous child bothering weasel herder, pillow humping fruit troll.

I can't hear you over the sound of how scuzzy you are.

People don't despise you because you're appalling. Don't get me wrong, you are fucking appalling, that's just not why people despise you. Next to you, diarrhea looks cute.

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on November 03, 2013
at 09:38 PM

You are a dense one. That is what I have been explaining if you actually read my posts above.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 03, 2013
at 09:22 PM

Nobody said that hominids are homo sapiens, but clearly hominid includes homo sapien sapiens, btw, we're the latter, I don't think you're aware of the difference little fruit troll, the fructose is pouring out of your eyeballs and glycating your memory.

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on November 03, 2013
at 09:17 PM

Hominids equates to more than simply homo sapiens, fool. You can't even see whats in front of your face the emotion has overridden any logic you once had.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 09:08 PM

If by girlfriend you mean little 5 year old thai boy, then, yes, that is creepy. That video showed only little boys, no girlfriend.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 09:07 PM

Yes little fruit troll, call others insane when they point you how wrong you are.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on November 03, 2013
at 09:06 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIIgge9-i24

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 03, 2013
at 08:59 PM

let's try not to inject logic into an ethics question. That's unpossible.

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on November 03, 2013
at 08:49 PM

Wow your insane, let me reiterate the scientific facts. Homo Sapiens are one, I repeat, one, type of hominid, homo sapiens are not a linear evolution of previous types of hominids. Homo sapiens, are a type of hominid, not ALL hominids. Your insulting someone and being blatantly wrong at the same time, true class.

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on November 03, 2013
at 08:47 PM

Going to Thailand, and exploring jungle waterfalls with my fruitarian girlfriend is creepy? Wow, your insane.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 08:45 PM

I agree, that topless picture of you with the banana is very creepy, and that video you uploaded of yourself with all those little Thai boys... just wow... You fruit eaters are a sick bunch!

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 08:45 PM

Ah hem, your fructose riddled brain yet proves it's misfunction:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae

The term "hominid" is also used in the more restricted sense as hominins or "humans and relatives of humans closer than chimpanzees".[2]"

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on November 03, 2013
at 08:32 PM

You are sooo creepy, you want to stalk and argue, not debate real things.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 08:30 PM

Whu? u ashamed of what you put up on the net little fruit troll?

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on November 03, 2013
at 08:21 PM

So are you trying to say, humans are the same as homo erectus, or homo habilis? Why not explain yourself beyond showing stalking capabilties?

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on November 03, 2013
at 08:17 PM

This isn't creepy of you at all ! Can you say stalker? LOL what a winner we have here.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 08:16 PM

Yes, you are very entertaining, in the fictional, trolly sense of the word.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 07:57 PM

Talking about yourself in the 3rd person again? If by adult you mean troll... if by intelligently sourced you mean vegan propaganda... trolololo, I hear the song of your people.

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on November 03, 2013
at 07:57 PM

"The study, published in the October, 2012, issue of the Journal of Alzheimer's Disease, initially looked at 1,230 men and women ages 70 to 89. " <- that is all I copied so he could see the reference, you are seriously confused, can't believe I have entertained you this long.

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on November 03, 2013
at 07:55 PM

So sad to see such a stupid person allowed to use a computer, you can't even debate using intelligently sourced articles or scientific facts, pure emotional psychotic conjecture. Your getting in the way of an adult discussion, repeatedly.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 07:54 PM

No, we feel proud of our kill and our bounty. Your fruit jizz filled brain is too tiny to understand it, and sadly for you, your life will end in alzheimers and diabetes.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 07:51 PM

You mean, you're showing us your anti-meat, pro fruit/vegan brain damaged agenda.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 07:50 PM

Talking about yourself and your fruitty agenda again, are you? Oh wait, you never had it. Leave it to a humorless fruity vegan to not recognize a classic!

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 07:50 PM

That's abuse! I'm calling the ASPCA on you evil doers, starving poor defenseless dogs of meat! Shame on you and your anti-meat agenda!

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on November 03, 2013
at 07:49 PM

You're feeling too much beauty from a killing I'm afraid, most likely interpreting your feelings wrong. If this guy has the resources and knowledge to farm year round, he is just killing unnecessarily, if not kudos to him for feeding his family. Average lifespan for them is 45-50 years. If they focused on tubers and grains, they could easily live 80+ years, as other cultures around the world are able; ability to fight disease is relative to the health of the host dictated via nutrition.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 03, 2013
at 07:49 PM

Now you're copying and pasting from here?

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA401276/Can-Carbs-Cause-Alzheimers.html

Have you no single thought of your own little fruitbat?

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 07:44 PM

You put your mother to shame, nothing more, little banana sucker. all you did was copy and paste some anti-atkins propaganda from vegan sites, oooooh how brilliant. Tell me again about your 100" TV and your gold plated lexus and your trillion dollar underwater house, that was really impressive.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 07:43 PM

It's like scientology, there's no actual science involved.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 07:37 PM

I think you mean 15 bananas!

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on November 03, 2013
at 07:36 PM

And yeah, it's sad to see an animal die. That's because we have mirror neurons and a sense of compassion. A tiger could look on to a suffering calf strayed from mother on the brink of starvation and see an easy meal. A man sees a lost child without hope and puts it out of misery - the poetry of death.

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(624)

on November 03, 2013
at 07:35 PM

Who are you to tell me why I teared up?

I teared up after witnessing the beauty of the connection between a spiritually enlightened predator and his pray. The love he shown for the animal after tracking it and inhabiting its psyche for so many hours, the thanks he gave for its flesh, the tender touch to its nose. The hunt can be a beautiful thing.

Fa14fbe0ac345e586fb407dbed9eda04

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on November 03, 2013
at 07:27 PM

Is that a threesome in the first pic?

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on November 03, 2013
at 07:20 PM

Are you trying to be funny? It seems to me your just insane, being a whacko.

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on November 03, 2013
at 07:19 PM

It is sad to see someone go off the deep-end. :( You've completely lost it.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 03, 2013
at 07:16 PM

No, remain you illegitimate faced buggerfuls! And, if you think you got nasty taunting this time, you ain't heard nothing yet! Fruity Daffy kaniggets! Thpppt!

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 07:15 PM

I one more time-a unclog my nose in your direction, sons of a window-dresser! So, you think you could out-clever us French folk with your silly knees-bent running about advancing behavior! I wave my private parts at your aunties, you heaving lot of second-hand electric donkey bottom biters.

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on November 03, 2013
at 07:11 PM

Guess what dipshit, bananas don't grow on trees. ;) Im really sorry you have such an emotional control issue...

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on November 03, 2013
at 07:10 PM

Only a dumbass categorizes all hippies as vegan, truly a very sad individual.

Fa14fbe0ac345e586fb407dbed9eda04

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on November 03, 2013
at 07:09 PM

Actually, you're the one not up to date. Carbs cause alzheimer, cancer and diabetes, while a high fat/protein diet protects from all three. http://www.examiner.com/article/dr-oz-a-vegetarian-wheat-advocate-spotlights-gluten-free-low-carb-diet

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA401276/Can-Carbs-Cause-Alzheimers.html

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

(1822)

on November 03, 2013
at 07:08 PM

the web and google are your friends. there are lots of sites that will ship you small larvae to be fed at home (mostly for reptiles, but it is the same larvae). You control the food supply, and the food grade.

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on November 03, 2013
at 07:07 PM

You are a sad, soft, little child. Your religious ideologies, paleo dogma, and jealous demeanor is just fodder for my enlightened soul. Whatever makes you feel better about your pathetic, slaughterhouse of a life. I will say it again, your as soft as your ideals. I wish you the best, I hope you figure it out. I don't harbor hate for you, just sadness, that a person could be so hateful and sad. If I were religious I'd pray for you, I only hope you can find the light and realize your deep misunderstandings of your place in the world. Animals don't exist solely for your tastebuds.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 07:03 PM

Logic? You? Bwhahahahahah! You're right, you are a post, or rather as thick as. But logic evades you. Go climb a banana tree! (throwing down a goose) Hey, this one is for your mother! (and a duck)And this one's for your gran!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs

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on November 03, 2013
at 07:02 PM

you can check into the thread called, what do you think about the fruitarian? I put raydawgs arguments to shame, the expensive tissue hypothesis is dated and incorrect, along with many other commonly parroted paleo arguments... it got closed because I was hitting a sore spot on Matt 11's brain.. You know your really close to upsetting the paleo argument's delicate balance when a thread is closed.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 07:02 PM

Go away or I shall taunt you a second time! You don't frighten us, Fruity pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottoms, son of a silly person! Ah blow my nose at you, so-called "fruitty fart"! You and all your silly vegan Knnnnnnnn-uts!!!

Fetchez La Vache!

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 07:00 PM

Yeah, you're right, you were hatched from a hippie commune out of an egg. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries... oh wait, bananas!

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 06:58 PM

If by girlfriend you mean, plastic blow up doll, sure. Oooh lexus, the sign of a modern smug fruitarian douche-nozzle. I'm sooo impressed. Shouldn't you know, be on a fruit growing commune or something? What, your widdle tiny fructose damaged brains thinks I'm impressed by your non-hippie values of things any fool can rent from Rent-A-Center to impress the neighbors? Ha! Go stuff some more bananas down your fruit hole.

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on November 03, 2013
at 06:58 PM

Funny thing is I was really hoping to see some good fruitarian science. I haven't seen any. I'm sincerely curious about the frutarian way. Since I'm not interested in running marathons I can hardly imagine adopting it but I'm curious none the less how it all works out on a biological level.

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on November 03, 2013
at 06:57 PM

You teared up because its sad to see animals die, that is a human's natural reaction.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 06:56 PM

You didn't stutter, you showed your fruitarian brainwashed idology that feeds carnivores grains.

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on November 03, 2013
at 06:55 PM

http://thevegantruth.blogspot.com/2013/01/dogs-that-eat-vegan-directory.html

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 06:55 PM

The only emotion I feel is that a predator feels right before he bites down on the neck of his fruit eating troll. It's a mixture of victor and the anticipation of a mouth full of warm gushing blood... You wouldn't understand little prey. Just hope I choose to kill my prey quickly rather than play with it like a cat.

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on November 03, 2013
at 06:54 PM

you aren't up to date on current medical studies, your stupidity is incredibly amusing. :)

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on November 03, 2013
at 06:54 PM

Please tell me you're not feeding your dogs a vegan diet.

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on November 03, 2013
at 06:53 PM

Again raydawg you exhibit your lack of critical thinking skills given current medical technology and studies; there is no proof that eating meat gives you superior health to that of being a vegan, your fatty diabetic blood is keeping you from thinking clearly...

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 03, 2013
at 06:52 PM

He has none, he copies and pastes fruitarian dogma from some uppity guru he "follows" like a good little sheep.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 06:51 PM

Nope, sorry, we eat hormone free pastured raised beef. Your soy and flax estrogenic high carb damaged Alzheimer's addled brain wouldn't understand.

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on November 03, 2013
at 06:49 PM

Sure thing buddy, I don't have a outlaw raptor, fully modded 500hp ford raptor sitting outside.. I wasn't able to buy my girlfriend a new lexus.. I am not sitting in a million dollar home next to the beach in Los Angeles, nor am I sitting in front of an 80 inch tv... Im a broke hippe, LMFAO!

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 06:49 PM

MMMM, yummy yummy humanely raise grassfed pastured beef, and pastured chickens wrapped in smokey bacon. Delicious. Animals: it's what's humans humanely eat! Meat, glorious tasty meat!

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on November 03, 2013
at 06:45 PM

It is fucking hilarious how emotional you are, you type like a 10 year old girl.

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on November 03, 2013
at 06:45 PM

Im sorry, did I stutter, I only laughed at you because you made the ridiculous assumption that dogs are obligate carnivores. Im not saying you got it all wrong, cat's are obligate carnivores, but dogs, your highly mistaken, confused one.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 03, 2013
at 06:43 PM

Backpacker? Oh, that's what fruity new agey hippies do. Go hug a cactus. Feel sorry for me, go ahead. I'm loving my bacon and bison rib eye while you have a banana to suck on.

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on November 03, 2013
at 06:43 PM

That can't be your best effort at being logical, given my post, can it?

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 06:42 PM

You own nothing but a smelly unwashed hippie dress, you fruitty brain damaged troll. I replied to your nonsense. I don't give a rat's ass about medical necessity for survival, I care about optimal health. Go suck your 15 banana shakes with a pound of sugar and speak of optimal!

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(624)

on November 03, 2013
at 06:41 PM

Would you care to tell us about some of your science? We are more than happy to discuss ours.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 06:40 PM

Oh that's right, ignore the cats there. Dogs are descendents of wolves, what do wolves eat? Bananas? Bwahahaha! Guilty? Keep trying little troll, some day your momma will buy you a banana. Only desperate fruitcake fruitarians secretly lick their lips at the mention of bacon and regret their choices in life.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 03, 2013
at 06:34 PM

Again, google essential carbohydrate. Come back to us when you find it. Life feeds on life. Too bad poor widdle fruitarian is sad.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 03, 2013
at 06:33 PM

Oh poor me, I have to eat delicious bacon and bison ribeyes while you look sadly through my window, shivering in the cold, and lick your lips as you sadly look at your saccharine-sweet 15 banana plus a pound of sugar shake and sigh.

Yes, you're right, they didn't savor the meat, they ate it, because they had to. Uh huh. They really must have hated the thrill of the hunt. That's why cave paintings are full of pictures of banana shakes.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 03, 2013
at 06:29 PM

http://felicitasetamor.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/chauvet_sexy_paintings.jpg

http://disciplines.ac-bordeaux.fr/ecogestion/hotellerie/uploads/pages/23/image/010LascauxII.jpg

http://www.ivc.edu/academics/schoolFA/arthistory/Documents/art2526projects/paleolithic/images/bison.jpg

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on November 03, 2013
at 06:03 PM

I just about teared up at the end. Thank you. I remember seeing this many years ago with my father in Discovery Channel or the like.

Fa14fbe0ac345e586fb407dbed9eda04

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on November 03, 2013
at 05:56 PM

Should've called yourself a troll, not a goblin.

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on November 03, 2013
at 05:54 PM

Any idea where to source some quality, food grade insects and larva.

Fa14fbe0ac345e586fb407dbed9eda04

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on November 03, 2013
at 05:33 PM

Actually, this argument is perfect with their belief system. If they try to reduce killing to the bare minimum, than you'd need to kill as many chickens as there are monks in the monestary, but a single yak could provide hundreds of pounds of meat.

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on November 03, 2013
at 05:32 PM

I commonly see its tough for paleo people to get along, all the hormones from meat consumption, throwing you guys out of whack...

Fa14fbe0ac345e586fb407dbed9eda04

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on November 03, 2013
at 05:27 PM

out of the entire group of gazelle, all of which have only 1 arrow sticking out of them, you point out the single gazelle that has two sticking out of.

Wow, talk about proof that ancient humans didn't think about conserving ammo!

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on November 03, 2013
at 04:54 PM

LOL I see how stupid you are now, you repeat idiocies conveyed by a backpacker, from a religious fanatic. You clearly are mentally deranged, once again, lacking your own critical thinking power. I feel very sorry for you.

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on November 03, 2013
at 04:51 PM

Yes buddy if you had the energy to read the last debate I owned you on, and check my sources, you'd see that I would absolutely eat meat if it were a medical necessity, for survival; its just, today, its not, its just your taste buds and lack of mental processes allowing you to do so.

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on November 03, 2013
at 04:50 PM

Did you actually just call a pitbull an obligate carnivore, holy hell I didn't realize you took the shortbus everywhere, okay your out of your mind, no sense in debating with an emotional clown. Only desperate fools who feel guilty categorize vegetables in the same league as animals.

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on November 03, 2013
at 04:48 PM

@raydawg you lack the energy to debate in a rational sense its useless, at least know all you are is a parrot. Yes our ancestors ate meat, to survive, just as I would have; its just today, its not necessary or medically beneficial, its all your loopy mental conjecture that has led you to believe its morally acceptable and necessary. Your purely exhibiting the level of mental conditioning your world has put upon you. You will pay the price for your dietary decisions, it will happen, that I can guarantee ;)

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on November 03, 2013
at 04:44 PM

Hahaha I won't even dignify this parrot with a response, you have zero critical thinking skills. We are not directly related to those old hominid's! You already got shut down one time by all the sources I listed on your argument, your little gospel buddy Matt11 shut down the conversation after I owned, you, he couldn't even handle the discussion, whined about acid\alkaline, when it wasn't the simplistic surface argument his poor reading comprehension skills thought it was, its a much deeper issue. You guys are hilarious clowns.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 03, 2013
at 02:27 PM

And what exactly do you plan on feeding that pitbul, or cat, or tiger? Such animals are obligate carnivores, and attempting to feed them grains fattens them up and causes many diseases similar to those of SAD eating humans. Some, such as myself, would argue that feeding rice to a tiger, cat, or dog, is inhumane abuse!

Since you mention animals bred for slaughter vs not, what about vegetables raised for slaughter? Do they not have rights too? They're alive after all, and the fact that they produce toxins against predation is proof that they don't wish to be eaten.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 03, 2013
at 02:18 PM

You only exist because your ancestors survived the ice ages where plants were not available. We are not socially conditioned to want to eat meat, we evolved eating meat and that's what made us human. At some point some pusilanimous hippies misinterpreted the teachings of the Budha, (known to have eaten meat) after going to trips to India and got all newagey and came back to America, felt guilty about eating animals and got all hippy and vegan. As the tibetan lama said of a buffalo skin hung on a wall "one death feeds many." You are're the socially conditioned ones.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 03, 2013
at 02:13 PM

Open any medical nutrition text book. Find the words essential fat. Ok, good. Find the words essential amino acids. Ok, good. Now find the words "essential carbohydrate" - can't do it? That's because hominids from 2MYA were hunters and we've evolved to require meat.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 03, 2013
at 02:11 PM

Bwahahahahahhaaha! What a load of horse droppings! People like you would have died of starvation and exposure in the ice ages. You're lucky that your ancestors decided to eat meat, so you could live and spew your trollish vegan nonsense. I find it ridiculous that you have to preach your nonsense to people who know better than you.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 03, 2013
at 02:09 PM

Right, that's why we see cave paintings of animals with only one arrow in them like this one:

http://nhfaithfusion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Bambi-cave-painting.gif - oh wait, that gazelle has how many arrows in it again?

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on November 03, 2013
at 04:32 AM

@hardthinker People kill a lot more than plants, Author of this book explains it a lot better than I could here....

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on November 03, 2013
at 04:24 AM

Could you edit this so it's not all in bold?

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on November 03, 2013
at 04:23 AM

Can you say more about why this particular question is important to you? I can understand why you want to reduce the suffering of animals that you eat, but I don't yet understand why the way paleolithic hunters treated their prey affects your present decisions.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

(995)

on November 02, 2013
at 11:20 PM

This is how it's done. Look at the smiles on the children's faces.

Ninety-five percent of the tribe's diet comes from what they gather or kill. Fascinating people, among the earliest stone age inhabitants of East Africa, still living a traditional lifestyle today.

It's said without cooking, they wouldn't survive.

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on November 02, 2013
at 10:34 PM

No they shouldn't because then they'll become vegans or something wacky like that. Factory farming is horrible and unethical. Slaughtering animals for food is not.

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on November 02, 2013
at 06:08 PM

Hey, whatever lies you have to tell yourself to hunt and kill foraging animals, whatever works for a predator like you, without morals, or humanity. Just huddle in with your other friends who unnecessarily kill animals for pleasure, without medical necessity, they will give you pats on the back to help you feel better.

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on November 02, 2013
at 05:37 PM

You actually compare cows you raise to SLAUGHTER, to caring for an abandoned animal, and sheltering it. You have no critical thinking abilities.

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on November 02, 2013
at 05:36 PM

Your a joke of a person, now I can see it. You don't care about the well being of animals, you create bullshit ideologies in your head to make you believe, somehow, that killing animals for your food when there is no medically documented necessity for the consumption of them, is morally acceptable. You are a human who is lost, and hopefully someday, will find your way to the light.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on November 02, 2013
at 05:32 PM

Third, maybe if you had a bit more meat in your diet you'd learn how to use comments to respond to others rather than putting forth a new "answer" that does not have anything to do with the question.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 02, 2013
at 05:32 PM

First, cows raised for slaughter have a longer lifespan than wild bison and other Bovine, so is that humane? Second, there are numerous studies that show that certain forms of slaughter cause the animal to die prior to the stimuli making it's way to the spinal cord where the initial reaction is felt, this is even higher order than the brain where pain is felt. So yes, animals can be slaughtered in ways that they do not feel any pain.

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on November 02, 2013
at 04:31 PM

In regard to animals in captivity and animals raised for slaughter, while both relevant issues to discussion, you are talking about two things, on two completely different planes of existence. Slaughter doesn't equal two pampered, rescued, pitbulls fed a perfect diet, along with regular exercise and an abundance of love.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 02, 2013
at 04:13 PM

If it is inhumane to raise animals for food, is it not also inhumane to raise animals in captivity...

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 02, 2013
at 04:12 PM

Dogs and Pigs are not the same. Dogs were domesticated to guard, hunt, and work (as in beast of burden). Pigs were domesticated as a food source. It was not until a few thousand years later people discovered that pigs could find mushrooms and truffles. And to say that you cannot kill in a humane way is ridiculous. The farm where I buy the vast majority of my meat (pigs, cow, chicken, lamb, goat) raises the animals in a very humane way. The killing is instantaneous and the animals feel no pain.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on November 02, 2013
at 04:02 PM

no. the literal definition of people is "human beings in general or considered collectively". They are, in fact, synonyms.

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on November 02, 2013
at 03:25 PM

CDone: you can't "humanely" raise any animal if your intent is to slaughter it. No matter what you have tricked yourself into believing, this is the truth.

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on November 02, 2013
at 03:23 PM

It's one thing to be an ancient human without adequate plant sources of food, and needing to kill animal strictly to survive. Today there is no medical proof that we need animal products at all, and quite to the contrary, there exists a plethora of negative information regarding ingesting them.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on November 02, 2013
at 02:30 PM

I think you conflate human with person in your first two sentences. Cannot animals be people, as are humans (most of them, at laest...)?

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 02, 2013
at 11:36 AM

That's not what I said. I said to eat humanely raised boars. vote with your dollars. This is not my opinion, micro-economist have proven this fact over and over. Want to save trees? buy paper towels from sustainable forest companies. Want to promote sustainable farming -- only shop at those farms. It works, companies respond to incentives.

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on November 01, 2013
at 02:17 PM

Killing an animal is a serious thing, folks would do better to be thoughtful about what they consume and how it was treated.

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on November 01, 2013
at 02:06 PM

i feel like this isnt the best arguement, trying to raise animals as cheap as possible is probably what leads to the poor treatment of animals. on the other arguement, i dont like that much either, while it may be good for the species its not necissarily ethical for the animal... breeding it just to kill it just to say 'well atleast it got to live for a bit,better than nothing'.(matrix referance here)

that being said ofcourse i disagree with the OP 100%, just because u can empathize with a form of life = more important? huge flaws in that logic.

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on November 01, 2013
at 01:27 PM

Have you ever killed a fly/ant/cockroach/mosquito? Yes, you have. So, suck it up and eat more meat. Consuming meat is not an ethical issue, it's a fucking nutrition issue.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 01, 2013
at 01:21 PM

this is one of those things that is paradoxical. The best way to promote the healthy, humane raising of boars -- eat them. Seriously. Economics is one of our strongest weapons. We all respond to incentives. If no one wanted to eat boars, there would be no reason to raise them, thus they would slowly become extinct.

Certainly you can suggest the dog/cat model. but that only exists for a handful of the billions of species that have walked the earth.

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on November 04, 2013
at 12:09 AM

I live in an area with lots of coyotes as well as mountain lions. I have cats in my house that I love and I've heard stray and outdoor cats being torn to shreds by predators at night. Not pleasant by any stretch but it's the natural world. As others have said, humans are the most humane predators in general. We are the only species that considers humanity at all when trying to eat and survive. But we all need to eat

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on November 03, 2013
at 10:48 PM

Start thinking of yourself as a scavenger. Humans were secondary feeders on animals killed "predator-anely". I doubt that wolves and cougars gave the deer's feelings much thought, but once they did the deed we got the bones for marrow and any leftover scraps.

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on November 03, 2013
at 08:12 PM

Dear @LAFruitGoblin

I just love your youtube crap by the way, shows how fruity you really are, posing topless with a banana in your hand.

https://www.youtube.com/user/brettbalsier - oh, and now we know your true name. Muahahhaha!

I love this quote from you "Humans aren't all hominid species, they are simply homo-sapiens" on your comment. real, uh, sciencey of you.

Ooh, and apparently you like to hang out with underaged Thai boys:

https://www.youtube.com/user/brettbalsier/videos Does NAMBLA know? does your girlfriend?

You really need to stop smoking the bananas.

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on November 03, 2013
at 08:21 PM

So are you trying to say, humans are the same as homo erectus, or homo habilis? Why not explain yourself beyond showing stalking capabilties?

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on November 04, 2013
at 01:59 AM

priceless repartee

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on November 03, 2013
at 08:17 PM

This isn't creepy of you at all ! Can you say stalker? LOL what a winner we have here.

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on November 03, 2013
at 07:40 PM

@max.wyght That study doesn't support any of our dietary arguments on this board, HCLF, nor HFLC.

"The study, published in the October, 2012, issue of the Journal of Alzheimer's Disease, initially looked at 1,230 men and women ages 70 to 89. " this study isn't comparing any sort of specificity of diets we are talking about. The epidemiological data available is much better regarding Alzheimer's as this is not a low fat, high carb diet ( completely different on insulin resistance and diabetes vs high fat high carb), populations studied eating low fat high carb, have zero incidence of Alzheimer's. You have to dig deeper, look at all available data, and interpret variables inside of a study that may or may not support your argument.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 07:49 PM

Now you're copying and pasting from here?

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA401276/Can-Carbs-Cause-Alzheimers.html

Have you no single thought of your own little fruitbat?

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on November 03, 2013
at 11:05 PM

I watched a cat kill a chipmunk the other day. It held it its neck in its jaws and strangled the life out of it. Would you have deprived the cat of its ethically killed animal and eaten it? This is more local and natural than eating a GM imported factory farmed banana IMO. Though I would feel a twinge of guilt about stealing a cat's food.

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on November 03, 2013
at 04:37 PM

@raydawg In what world does one Lama's uneducated opinion regarding meat consumption, have anything to do with the scientific validity of the medical necessity, or the moral implications of such? You hang your hat on religious nut job's, I hang my hat on the rack of Science, not someone else's moral deduction. This is what I have been saying all along, you no ability to think for yourself, or follow actual scientific research, just parrot other people's opinions, based on emotion.

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on November 03, 2013
at 06:41 PM

Would you care to tell us about some of your science? We are more than happy to discuss ours.

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 03, 2013
at 02:23 PM

http://www.bulletproofexec.com/bulletproof-editorial-for-the-new-york-times-why-eating-meat-is-ethical/

Along the way, I stayed at a Buddhist monastery in Nepal eating vegan
 “no death” food and learned about the ethical precepts behind “no 
killing.” It made sense.
But as I continued my explorations deeper into Tibet, I came across a
 stunning high altitude monastery halfway between Lhasa and Mt. Kailash.
 On its central prayer pole hung a giant yak skin. Being a curious 
American, I found the crimson-robed Lama who ran the monastery and asked
 him, point blank, “Isn’t that a yak skin? What happened to the whole 
“no killing” thing?”
He smiled and his eyes twinkled as he said very simply, “One death 
feeds many. We need meat and fat to survive.” Given his faith, I trust 
that this man would have gladly avoided that one death if he did not 
actually need meat and fat to survive in the harsh environment his 
monastery sat in. It was a laughably simple argument for ethically 
eating beef while avoiding chicken.

Fa14fbe0ac345e586fb407dbed9eda04

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on November 03, 2013
at 05:33 PM

Actually, this argument is perfect with their belief system. If they try to reduce killing to the bare minimum, than you'd need to kill as many chickens as there are monks in the monestary, but a single yak could provide hundreds of pounds of meat.

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on November 03, 2013
at 04:22 AM

Can you say more about why this particular question is important to you? I can understand why you want to reduce the suffering of animals that you eat, but I don't yet understand why the way paleolithic hunters treated their prey affects your present decisions.

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on November 03, 2013
at 12:16 AM

Most wild animals don't simply die of old age. Prey species usually die as prey, hence the name. Boars are a prey species.

Humans are probably the most "humane" predators the world has ever known. A spear through the heart and a prayer versus getting torn to shreds by a mountain lion, which would you choose? All predators hunt for survival (and yes, we are predators). Now, we are all sophisticated and don't need to hunt but it still the modus operandi of our species when you take away agriculture.

You have to understand, with life comes death. Be glad when an animal gets to live in the wild and have a chance. It is better than being born in captivity and on an assembly line for your whole life waiting for that stun gun that you say doesn't hurt.

I feel more humane eating an animal I killed in the wild than eating some animal whose birth was due to a commercial decision based on the expected profit to be derived from him ending up on my plate.

Also, the reality of the matter with your point "1)" is that dogs/wolves served us better as companions and the pigs/boars as food. Consider that the wolf is a social predator and we can use it to our advantage for our own hunting needs. The boar is a food source in the wild and it stayed that way when we domesticated it. Horses are lucky we can ride them...

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on November 02, 2013
at 11:46 PM

Way back then, the killings were less humane, with much hunting done by simply exhausting the animal. But frankly, this obsession with warm blooded meat is misplaced. You can be an extremely healthy paleo with eggs, dairy, mollusks, and insects. There is no meat with the nutrient content of insect larvae for example. And surely you never had a meaningful relationship with a larva.

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on November 03, 2013
at 05:54 PM

Any idea where to source some quality, food grade insects and larva.

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

(1822)

on November 03, 2013
at 07:08 PM

the web and google are your friends. there are lots of sites that will ship you small larvae to be fed at home (mostly for reptiles, but it is the same larvae). You control the food supply, and the food grade.

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on November 02, 2013
at 06:00 PM

If you can't eat your wild boar, could I buy all that meat from you? I will eat it, and won't think twice.

I will eat your dog too, if you don't mind.

I will eat anything that walks, flies, crawls or stays still. As long as it Paleo.

In all the seriousness of it, just think that you are eating not some cute pet boar, but a vicious wild boar that just killed someone. You are avenging its victim. Problem solved.

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on November 02, 2013
at 06:08 PM

Hey, whatever lies you have to tell yourself to hunt and kill foraging animals, whatever works for a predator like you, without morals, or humanity. Just huddle in with your other friends who unnecessarily kill animals for pleasure, without medical necessity, they will give you pats on the back to help you feel better.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

(995)

on November 02, 2013
at 11:20 PM

This is how it's done. Look at the smiles on the children's faces.

Ninety-five percent of the tribe's diet comes from what they gather or kill. Fascinating people, among the earliest stone age inhabitants of East Africa, still living a traditional lifestyle today.

It's said without cooking, they wouldn't survive.

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on November 02, 2013
at 04:27 PM

@CDone Sorry but you are just extremely socially conditioned to believe the things you tell yourself. Animals feel pain, and if given love and attention, they exhibit traits identical to that of domesticated dogs or cats. I do agree that it is not exactly humane to keep animals in captivity at all, unless you are truly looking out for all of their needs. I totally see your point with domesticated animals, and the inhumanity that this situation presents; my argument however, is that if you rescue an animal, and care for it, extending its life, through love, this is beneficial and morally correct. There is a difference between puppy mills, animal mills for slaughter, and rescuing cats, dogs, or other animals. I do wish we could know for sure if they would rather be let loose in the wild (where they would die quickly), or be raised humanely at a loving home, pampered, cared for with the highest regard to their health and fitness.

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on November 02, 2013
at 04:27 PM

@CDone Sorry but you are just extremely socially conditioned to believe the things you tell yourself. Animals feel pain, and if given love and attention, they exhibit traits identical to that of domesticated dogs or cats. I do agree that it is not exactly humane to keep animals in captivity at all, unless you are truly looking out for all of their needs. I totally see your point with domesticated animals, and the inhumanity that this situation presents; my argument however, is that if you rescue an animal, and care for it, extending its life, through love, this is beneficial and morally correct. There is a difference between puppy mills, animal mills for slaughter, and rescuing cats, dogs, or other animals. I do wish we could know for sure if they would rather be let loose in the wild (where they would die quickly), or be raised humanely at a loving home, pampered, cared for with the highest regard to their health and fitness.

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on November 02, 2013
at 04:31 PM

In regard to animals in captivity and animals raised for slaughter, while both relevant issues to discussion, you are talking about two things, on two completely different planes of existence. Slaughter doesn't equal two pampered, rescued, pitbulls fed a perfect diet, along with regular exercise and an abundance of love.

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on November 03, 2013
at 02:18 PM

You only exist because your ancestors survived the ice ages where plants were not available. We are not socially conditioned to want to eat meat, we evolved eating meat and that's what made us human. At some point some pusilanimous hippies misinterpreted the teachings of the Budha, (known to have eaten meat) after going to trips to India and got all newagey and came back to America, felt guilty about eating animals and got all hippy and vegan. As the tibetan lama said of a buffalo skin hung on a wall "one death feeds many." You are're the socially conditioned ones.

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on November 02, 2013
at 03:21 PM

You are starting to wake up in my opinion. I believe the words, "humanely kill" do not belong in the same sentence. I have been around many pigs in my lifetime and they are exactly like dogs, I have two pitbulls and they are like my little pig children. I didn't become vegan to save the animals, I did it after researching the health effects, and how positive it is for performance, HCLF veganism, but I quickly shifted into a more compassionate mind state and realized, how could I ever have believed that an animal should die for each of my meals? I find it ridiculous that I was so convoluted against my morals, we become so socially conditioned to believe that we are somehow ambiguous to our morality that is so deep-rooted within our own consciousness, we actually believe somehow, that eating meat is okay. We should be protectors of animals, not their slaughter masters. The bright side of all this if you were once paleo, is there exists an equally, even stronger in my opinion argument for the medical benefits regarding ditching animal products, without a doubt, your athletic performance increases as you cannot do extremely long races in ketosis, without carbs. Carbs are more fun, more humane, and perfectly healthy if you ingest large amounts with low blood fat levels. Congratulations on waking up!!!!

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on November 03, 2013
at 04:24 AM

Could you edit this so it's not all in bold?

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on November 02, 2013
at 03:23 PM

It's one thing to be an ancient human without adequate plant sources of food, and needing to kill animal strictly to survive. Today there is no medical proof that we need animal products at all, and quite to the contrary, there exists a plethora of negative information regarding ingesting them.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 02, 2013
at 04:13 PM

If it is inhumane to raise animals for food, is it not also inhumane to raise animals in captivity...

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 02:11 PM

Bwahahahahahhaaha! What a load of horse droppings! People like you would have died of starvation and exposure in the ice ages. You're lucky that your ancestors decided to eat meat, so you could live and spew your trollish vegan nonsense. I find it ridiculous that you have to preach your nonsense to people who know better than you.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 02, 2013
at 04:12 PM

Dogs and Pigs are not the same. Dogs were domesticated to guard, hunt, and work (as in beast of burden). Pigs were domesticated as a food source. It was not until a few thousand years later people discovered that pigs could find mushrooms and truffles. And to say that you cannot kill in a humane way is ridiculous. The farm where I buy the vast majority of my meat (pigs, cow, chicken, lamb, goat) raises the animals in a very humane way. The killing is instantaneous and the animals feel no pain.

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on November 01, 2013
at 10:27 AM

There was none.

The hunter shoots and arrow at the animal. Kills it? Neat.

Doesn't kill it? He won't waste another arrow(because it might shatter, and making arrows is hard and time consuming), so he'll take his flint knife and stab the animal in the neck(because trying to pierce the heart might cause him to hit the stomach instead, which would basically poison 150 lbs of meat)

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on November 03, 2013
at 02:09 PM

Right, that's why we see cave paintings of animals with only one arrow in them like this one:

http://nhfaithfusion.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Bambi-cave-painting.gif - oh wait, that gazelle has how many arrows in it again?

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on November 01, 2013
at 09:30 AM

sam: i understand your concept about eating to survive, none of us know what it's like to be from old times, starving, running around looking for food, avoiding enemies, but when there are things like clams, shellfish that from my researching don't seem to be really conscious or "there" i feel like why kill something that can look you in the eyes like a cow?

i don't agree with "we all in our own way kill" i'm so tired of the vegans kill plants line. seriously? i can't connect with a cabbage the same way I can connect with a cow or a pig, let's get real. i appreciate your help though i know this is something i have to decide for myself but it gets frustrating when you had a huge passion for cooking with the boar and are now basically only eating shellfish pastas. yikes!

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 01, 2013
at 01:21 PM

this is one of those things that is paradoxical. The best way to promote the healthy, humane raising of boars -- eat them. Seriously. Economics is one of our strongest weapons. We all respond to incentives. If no one wanted to eat boars, there would be no reason to raise them, thus they would slowly become extinct.

Certainly you can suggest the dog/cat model. but that only exists for a handful of the billions of species that have walked the earth.

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on November 03, 2013
at 04:32 AM

@hardthinker People kill a lot more than plants, Author of this book explains it a lot better than I could here....

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Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on November 01, 2013
at 08:25 AM

"there is no way in heck in ancient times I would have been comfortable taking a knife and sticking it inside a boar" false. You would have been all like, followed by a ceremonial gesture of giving thanks, for this is but one plane of existence.

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on November 03, 2013
at 06:03 PM

I just about teared up at the end. Thank you. I remember seeing this many years ago with my father in Discovery Channel or the like.

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3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on November 01, 2013
at 08:03 AM

For the most part a humane kill is one where the prey dies instantly. Human evolved technology to hunt "humanely" not for the animals sake, but for the human's.

three options, kill immediately, gather meat and run; 2. Fatally wound and sit back an wait so you don't get impaled by the prey and hope no other presitors come looking; 3. Fatally wound and then waste precious calories running after the prey until it crashes.

Probably the most humane way was a spear to the brain. Most likely we were trapping animals and letting them Steve to death.

It ain't pretty, but that's why it's called survival of the fittest.

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on November 01, 2013
at 04:48 AM

Kindness, mercy or compassion IMO applies first to self, family, friends and other humans. Back in ancient times people wanted to eat meat and would have most likely killed to eat and survive. Mixing the term humane with killing animals to eat is going to lead down the path of veganism. If that is where you are headed, go for it. For me it was unsustainable as a personal lifestyle as I craved animal flesh, although I was vegan for 7 years. We all die, we all in our own way kill. You may not think about it but you are killing living things all the time.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on November 02, 2013
at 02:30 PM

I think you conflate human with person in your first two sentences. Cannot animals be people, as are humans (most of them, at laest...)?

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