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I just got some labwork back. Low testosterone, and high morning cortisol? (Cortisol, T, PG, E, DHEAS)

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created December 28, 2011 at 6:42 PM

I have been feeling symptoms of high cortisol and/or low testosterone so that prompted me to order some tests to confirm what I was feeling (no sex drive being the main concern, with a bit of depression mixed in). Since ordering the tests, I have actually been feeling quite a bump in sex drive due to the removal of a major stressor in my life.

Anyway, I am a 27 year old male and these are my results. In a vacuum, how do these results look? Testosterone seems a bit low to me, although they are within what ZRT labs considers "normal". Morning cortisol also seems high, thoughts?

All saliva tests:

Estradiol: < 0.5 pg/ml

Progesterone: 19 pg/ml

Testosterone: 81 pg/ml

DHEAS: 10.8 ng/ml

Cortisol Morning: 9.6 ng/ml

Cortisol Noon: 1.5 ng/ml

Cortisol Evening: 1.4 ng/ml

Cortisol Night: 0.2 ng/ml

EDIT: Some more info about me. 150 lbs, about 12% body fat. Typically isocaloric around 2kcal. Shoot for 150g protein, 100ish carb, rest fat. I'd say I end up hypocaloric about 50% of the time by a few hundred calories. Barely ever hypercaloric. A lot of red meat, usually ground beef. Little fish and moderate poultry. Supplement D3, fish oil, magnesium and multi. Thanks of anyone has anyone has any insight into my numbers!

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on September 17, 2012
at 03:03 AM

Trying to eat JUST gelatin will lead to death (at least on a low calorie diet). It is a good protein though. Nothing wrong with gelatinous strew...

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on February 07, 2012
at 01:01 PM

Bill I don't understand your hate towards gelatin. I have only anecdotes to share, but gelatin and k2 are definitely the supplements that helped me the most overall.

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on January 04, 2012
at 07:29 PM

@OP, you need to check your whole blood serotonin, ultra-sensitive estradiol, prolactin, and thyroid function (TSH, FT3, FT4, Rt3), ALK PHOS (zinc), if you're looking to get to the bottom of this.

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on January 04, 2012
at 07:13 PM

@Bill1102inf You are the master of context Bill. I suggest that rampant vitamin D supplementation (as prescribed by many in the paleosphere) can be dangerous if one has decreased vitamin A & K status. That's what you got out of the article? That it didn't work and it should've? Please enlighten us with your wisdom about gelatin Bill.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on January 04, 2012
at 11:21 AM

I don't know what 10 WODs means, but too much exercise can cause drops in testosterone, especially cardio.

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on January 04, 2012
at 06:41 AM

@Cliff, @Mellissa, Gelatin which is recommended on that website, is one of the worst proteins anyone can consume and actually can lead to a net negative protein effect inside the human body.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on January 04, 2012
at 06:14 AM

How is this low? Converting pg/ml to ng/dl you multiple by 100 which = 810ng/dl which is normal, its actually really good.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on January 04, 2012
at 06:04 AM

Here is a perfect example of a person experiencing a Nutritional deficiency in a single substance (ZINC) , and through supplementation resolved a problem that could have led to Hormone Replacement Therapy. Supplement Vit D, Calcium, ZMA before bed, Vit K and A and see if that works, it sure beats endless lab tests and injections and 100's of thousands of hours scouring the internet.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on January 04, 2012
at 05:58 AM

The guy responded well to: egg shells, gelatin, Vit A but not D(its dangerous per the site), homemade Sucrose based simple sugar (basically HFCS), and limiting dietary muscle meat. He failed to respond to test injections+Armidex(estrogen blocker)+HCG+test gel (something 99.9% of people would become horn dog beasts on). Im not saying he is lying, but if this is all true, he is a .001% example. Just saying

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on January 04, 2012
at 05:47 AM

Office Space - Yea..ummm.. Regarding Danny Roddys 'blog'. The guy did NOT respond to test injections, hcg, armidex, test gel even when all were combined. 99.99% of males would have been raging beasts in the bedroom on all of that. I don't, for a second, believe that egg shells, sugar and gelatin fixed the guys problem. In fact, that is absolutely laughable.

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on January 04, 2012
at 05:39 AM

What is the reasoning behind dropping the fish oil and multi for testosterone?

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on January 04, 2012
at 01:43 AM

Drink some sugar :)

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on January 03, 2012
at 09:21 PM

Oh yeah.. and as always, don't over think you're diet. Our ancient ancestors sure didn't.

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on January 01, 2012
at 05:31 PM

I am much more concerned about the testosterone. I'm suffering low test symptoms and the cortisol was high in the am but only slightly. All the testosterone benchmarks I can find are in different units, which makes it hard for me to tell exactly how low the above number is.

94f63b64b2b26796051fcc2676cf620e

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on January 01, 2012
at 05:28 PM

Wendler type training. 3-5 days per week.

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on January 01, 2012
at 05:27 PM

Thank you for the responses. Why lose fish oil and multi?

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on December 31, 2011
at 01:31 PM

Danny roddys blog is a good place to start, I would personally get rid of the fish oil asap and probably the multivitamin.

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on December 31, 2011
at 09:58 AM

Oh I guess TK's response should have been a comment in the OP rather than an Answer.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on December 31, 2011
at 09:57 AM

Why the minuses? BMI is pretty useless for individuals or there are better measures (bodyfat, mainly), but useful for population studies and larger groups.

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on December 31, 2011
at 02:36 AM

I think it's perfectly natural for cortisol to be highest in the morning and to wane throughout the day--that's what you want. High in the morning to get you charged up, low at night so you can sleep. But I don't know if the actual numbers are right for the times of day. The morning seems reasonable, but I'm wondering about how low the noon reading is compared to the morning one. Definitely no caffeine or other stimulants (ADD meds?) on testing day. Was this a saliva test?

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on December 31, 2011
at 12:19 AM

I am about 5'10.

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on December 30, 2011
at 10:16 PM

I would check out Danny Roddy's blog. He had similar issues.

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on December 30, 2011
at 08:25 PM

What's ur height? 150 is meaningless unless we can gauge some level of BMI.

94f63b64b2b26796051fcc2676cf620e

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on December 30, 2011
at 03:51 PM

Some more info about me. 150 lbs, about 12% body fat. Typically isocaloric around 2kcal. Shoot for 150g protein, 100ish carb, rest fat. I'd say I end up hypocaloric about 50% of the time by a few hundred calories. Barely ever hypercaloric. A lot of red meat, usually ground beef. Little fish and moderate poultry. Supplement D3, fish oil, magnesium and multi. Thanks of anyone has anyone has any insight into my numbers!

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on December 29, 2011
at 03:40 PM

Didn't train or do caffiene on the testing day. Also probably daily intake of 100-200mg of caffeine. Usually post workout in the form of black coffee.

94f63b64b2b26796051fcc2676cf620e

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on December 29, 2011
at 03:39 PM

Typically in the 100-150 range. No gluten, occasional corn chips. Strength training 3-5 days a week, no cardio. Thanks!

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on December 28, 2011
at 07:53 PM

How many grams of carbs do you eat per day?

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Ef4c5b09fdccf73be575d3a0c267fdd9

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on January 04, 2012
at 07:54 AM

This guys T isn't low... the conversion has him in the 800's.

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on January 04, 2012
at 05:21 AM

I'm 25 years old and noticed a sharp decrease in my sex drive after about 5 months of strict Paleo and intense Crossfit (10 WODs a week). I started taking zinc supplements about month ago, and my sex drive quickly bounced back to normal. Currently taking zinc picolinate supplements, but also experienced increased sex drive while taking zinc gluconate. Switched to picolinate after reading a couple of articles / posts on its higher absorption rate. Anyway, make sure you're getting enough zinc. I currently take 50mg of supplements a day in addition to what's found in a multivitamin. Hopefully you'll experience the quick turnaround that I did - I was getting kind of worried for a little bit.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on January 04, 2012
at 06:04 AM

Here is a perfect example of a person experiencing a Nutritional deficiency in a single substance (ZINC) , and through supplementation resolved a problem that could have led to Hormone Replacement Therapy. Supplement Vit D, Calcium, ZMA before bed, Vit K and A and see if that works, it sure beats endless lab tests and injections and 100's of thousands of hours scouring the internet.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on January 04, 2012
at 11:21 AM

I don't know what 10 WODs means, but too much exercise can cause drops in testosterone, especially cardio.

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on December 31, 2011
at 11:26 AM

How much/ what type of workout/ training?

94f63b64b2b26796051fcc2676cf620e

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on January 01, 2012
at 05:28 PM

Wendler type training. 3-5 days per week.

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on December 31, 2011
at 07:38 AM

BMI ?? Cmon guys...dont start to talk about BMI..thats pure bunk!!! If you would go after the BMI every superlean guy over 95kg and 190cm height is overweight...this measurement meaningless and without every scientific base!!

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on December 31, 2011
at 09:58 AM

Oh I guess TK's response should have been a comment in the OP rather than an Answer.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on December 31, 2011
at 09:57 AM

Why the minuses? BMI is pretty useless for individuals or there are better measures (bodyfat, mainly), but useful for population studies and larger groups.

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22fcea5ec4415ff2238c663324aca40f

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on January 03, 2012
at 09:19 PM

Try lowing the carbs to below 100g. maybe fruit and a few servings of leafy greens and incorporate plenty medium chained saturated fats, like coconut. Maybe down a little extra grass fed butter. I'm not saying drown everything fat, but fat is important in hormone production. I've had similar issues with mood swings and stuff.

22fcea5ec4415ff2238c663324aca40f

(556)

on January 03, 2012
at 09:21 PM

Oh yeah.. and as always, don't over think you're diet. Our ancient ancestors sure didn't.

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