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Blood work and insurance

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 01, 2011 at 3:59 PM

So I'm in my mid twenties and never had bloodwork done. I'm looking to get some done just to see where I stand on everything. I've been in contact with my doctor, haven't gone in to see them yet. But, they basically told me the insurance company will not cover anything besides basic blood work (unless I have specific problems going on). I don't know much about the process or anything, but based on my research here and other websites this is what I wanted to get:

-Comprehensive metabolic panel

Test Thyroid (got this off of Chris Kresser's site)
-TSH
-T3
-T4
-T3 uptake

Rest of these tests I got off of threads here/Kurt Harris
-25 Hydroxy vitamin D
-HBA1C
-CRP
-Fasting insulin
-Fasting glucose (I think this is in the comprehensive metabolic panel)
-Serum ferritin level
-Cortisol
-Omega 3 index
-urinalysis

So my questions

1) Is any of this "standard" bloodwork?
2) For the tests that aren't, any recommendations for getting my insurance to cover it?
3) Am I missing any tests, or have I listed any that I shouldn't get?

What has sparked me to getting my blood work done is a nighttime urination thing related to protein intake: http://paleohacks.com/questions/57032/what-do-i-eat-protein-makes-me-pee-all-night#axzz1cORXNw1A

I also suck at falling asleep

I'm assuming I could parlay some of these "symptoms" into getting a lot of what I want done?

Thanks!!! Any tips at all please.

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on May 04, 2012
at 04:01 PM

Thanks for compiling this list for bloodwork, Kyle. Takes some of the legwork out of it for me--I'm a busy mama so I really appreciate it! I hope you've gotten some of this figured out. Update us, please!

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on May 04, 2012
at 03:59 PM

Thanks for mentioning this little tip. I will try it!

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on November 16, 2011
at 04:47 AM

Yeah, I just figured that the list you have is going to cost you about $600 anyways. I just had Thyroid, Kidney, Liver, Lipids and A1c done and it all came out to $650 after the insurance paid. I have a high deductable plan and so the first $2500 every year comes out of my pocket. I know Kaiser's labs are pretty inexpensive. It's like $12 for lipids.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on November 16, 2011
at 12:25 AM

I prefer not to pay for health and insurance then also have to pony up $600 bucks out of pocket! It's a sad situation in America right now. Health insurance companies get to determine what are real problems and what aren't. What tests you can have done... so crazy. In the future I will only have some kind of disaster health insurance plan and be banking the difference to go towards seeing people who I want to see, like Kresser.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on November 01, 2011
at 04:19 PM

Thanks! Never heard of the golite that sounds really interesting. Salt hasn't helped the pee issue, protein intake seems to be the only major factor.

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on November 01, 2011
at 04:17 PM

The symptoms aren't the primary reason I want bloodwork, but they just added enough fuel to the fire. I really want some baseline health stuff.

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on November 01, 2011
at 04:17 PM

The symptoms aren't the primary reason I want bloodwork, but they just added enough fuel to the fire.

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on November 16, 2011
at 01:56 AM

I agree with all your comments 100%. I have a very similar situation in that I'm in my mid-twenties, suspect a lot of things are wrong with me, but really need testing to tell me exactly what they are. When you ask any doctor to get more extensive testing they just say you're young and don't need it, as if young people can't develop severe health problems. Insurance only pays for the standard CBC, which tells you absolutely nothing. So we have a problem of doctors in America ordering too many unnecessary tests (not entirely their fault due to malpractice insurance), but almost never the ones patients need such as testing for cortisol, thyroid levels, organic acids from bacterial overgrowth, vit D levels, omega 6/3 ratio, and much more. Yet we wonder why healthcare costs are a problem in this country. Imagine how much money we'd save as a country if most doctors ordered the right tests, gave the right treatments, and their patients didn't have to keep coming back? For your sleep problems, there are some answers here http://paleohacks.com/questions/75018/improving-sleep-quality/75142#75142.

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on December 07, 2011
at 02:39 PM

The secret is....... When they ask you how you feel, don't say fine! Say that you are tired and depressed all the time. This will trigger them to order many more test than they would have. Then you have to insist on all the good ones that they forget. eg. the entire thyroid panel, the vap etc. You have to give them a REASON to go beyond basic. Especially if you are young and healthy. Then when they can't find why you are "tired and depressed" keep complaining and get more tests. Of course if they offer you any Western Medicine interventions, refuse them ,and keep eating Paleo!

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on May 04, 2012
at 03:59 PM

Thanks for mentioning this little tip. I will try it!

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on November 15, 2011
at 06:59 PM

Why not just go see Dr Kresser (he works thru Skype.) He has a standard of tests he run's and it all run's about $600 (check his site.) Even if you pay for your lab works chances are your Dr won't be able to find anything wrong as he isn't up to date on all this stuff.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on November 16, 2011
at 12:25 AM

I prefer not to pay for health and insurance then also have to pony up $600 bucks out of pocket! It's a sad situation in America right now. Health insurance companies get to determine what are real problems and what aren't. What tests you can have done... so crazy. In the future I will only have some kind of disaster health insurance plan and be banking the difference to go towards seeing people who I want to see, like Kresser.

6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on November 16, 2011
at 04:47 AM

Yeah, I just figured that the list you have is going to cost you about $600 anyways. I just had Thyroid, Kidney, Liver, Lipids and A1c done and it all came out to $650 after the insurance paid. I have a high deductable plan and so the first $2500 every year comes out of my pocket. I know Kaiser's labs are pretty inexpensive. It's like $12 for lipids.

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on December 07, 2011
at 02:08 PM

I don't know that the HBA1C test is all that valuable. Robb Wolf has backed off of that one, based on the life of red blood cells when living this lifestyle. Look into it -- that may be one that you can cross off of your list.

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on November 01, 2011
at 05:25 PM

I'd have a look at direct to consumer testing. I just had some blood drawn today for a chemistry panel (including lipids) with CBC and urinalysis which cost me around $50. Getting all that, paying out of pocket was cheaper than my insurance copay for just a standard lipid profile. There are a number of retailers online where you can order from a pretty wide variety of tests. LEF seems to be the cheapest but it doesn't really matter since all they do is sell the test, LabCorp (it's almost always LabCorp) does the draws and testing.

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on November 01, 2011
at 04:09 PM

for the urination thing, try adding salt. for the sleep issue, try getting an golite (brand is apollo or philips) which emits blue light. you set yourself by looking at it for 15 minutes. Then at that time 24 hours later, you will wake up. The blue light helps you set your circadian rhythms. don't eat at night, that throws off your circadian rhythms.

if you have to pay out of pocket, you could get the vitamin D test from zrtlabs.com.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on November 01, 2011
at 04:19 PM

Thanks! Never heard of the golite that sounds really interesting. Salt hasn't helped the pee issue, protein intake seems to be the only major factor.

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on December 07, 2011
at 12:33 PM

It’s a protein, people! You eat it, and your body breaks it down into its component amino acids and absorbs it in that form. It would make just as much sense to eat cartilage itself.

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