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Girlfriend insists that the paleo is not concerned with blood sugar spikes. Help me prove her wrong?

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Created December 29, 2012 at 1:10 AM

My girlfriend insists that eating paleo is about eating whole, clean foods and that controlling blood sugar spikes is not a significant concern (besides in those diagnosed with or pre-disposed to diabetes). She doesn't believe there is sufficient evidence to warrant worrying about blood sugar. I tried to explain AGEs but she said the evidence seems sketchy, which I can accept. Anyone have a compelling studies or studies that suggest blood sugar spikes should be avoided (besides for avoiding diabetes)?

I'm hoping to prove her wrong so that she changes her ways, I am not concerned with being right.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

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on May 21, 2013
at 06:57 PM

Yes I know about his main obsession in fructose but in his videos he usually states "sugar spikes insulin period" so I understand from this statements that he also must not be very fond on glucose, so now what you said about him saying the contrary puzzles me a little bit.

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on May 21, 2013
at 04:03 PM

Lustig's obsession is primarily with fructose, whereas "blood sugar" is almost universally used to refer to blood glucose. I've actually heard Lustig say that glucose by itself is totally innocuous, though I'm betting that he'll back down on that if questioned.

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on May 21, 2013
at 01:29 PM

Geez, I'd hate to have a boyfriend who just said "yes, dear" after after piece of nonsense I uttered. I don't want him to yell and put me down, but I'd like him to have some sort of an opinion once every few months just to keep it interesting. :)

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on May 21, 2013
at 08:49 AM

Ouch I just noticed the original question is a little bit old by now. An update about what position did you finally came to would be cool to know.

3f5a1eb23846056fd854b56db8575d59

on January 03, 2013
at 07:12 PM

I appreciate your insight and I agree with you to a certain extent but sometimes people are wrong and sometimes people are right. I personally feel that a person probably has too much pride if they get upset about being wrong.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on December 31, 2012
at 07:32 AM

Of course, you know your girlfriend better than I do, but that whole right, wrong thing only works when someone is a teacher and there is a multiple choice quiz or a math test. When it comes to relationships, since you are emotionally involved, people take everything personally. So I would not even say to her that she was right. I would stick with "you are amazing" line.

3f5a1eb23846056fd854b56db8575d59

on December 30, 2012
at 11:39 PM

Thanks for the response and for the suggestion, I looked at some of Chris Kesser's posts and he's got a lot of good ideas.

3f5a1eb23846056fd854b56db8575d59

on December 30, 2012
at 11:37 PM

I appreciate the advice but we never fought about it, we only disagreed. No relationships in jeopardy, no worry about winning. Also my girlfriend would absolutely disagree with the sentiment you expressed, bjj caveman. She would rather be (respectfully) told she is wrong. Now I will respectfully tell her she was right!

3f5a1eb23846056fd854b56db8575d59

on December 30, 2012
at 11:36 PM

Thanks for the response, looking at the responses it seems she was correct.

3f5a1eb23846056fd854b56db8575d59

on December 30, 2012
at 11:35 PM

I appreciate the advice but we never fought about it. No relationships in jeopardy, no worry about winning.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on December 30, 2012
at 03:50 AM

Haha touché....

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on December 29, 2012
at 08:10 PM

I want my man to make me feel that I am right even when I am not. Eventually I would figure out that I was wrong, but knowing that he was nice enough not to argue... would be extra +1,000 points for him (in more ways than one). I hate guys who argue. Just let it slide - be cool.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 29, 2012
at 08:03 PM

Me? I am always right... and always happy :)

B2634bf90fa31b48a60e7c4f06761200

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on December 29, 2012
at 01:45 PM

would you rather be happy... or right?

D1728f99db66ff91d695a6df5cd38b02

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on December 29, 2012
at 04:18 AM

I am interested in the answer.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on December 29, 2012
at 01:44 AM

Yeah, no references, just thinking outloud wearing my evolutionary biology thinking cap...

3f5a1eb23846056fd854b56db8575d59

on December 29, 2012
at 01:36 AM

Thanks for the reply but I think I'll wait for more responses as your avatar suggests you might be biased toward sugary foods (just kidding!).

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A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on December 29, 2012
at 01:30 AM

I lean towards agreeing with your girlfriend, though I'd enjoy hearing some contrary opinions.

Stephan Guyenet had a blog post where he looked at studies on the glycemic index, which concerns blood sugar spikes, and found no convincing evidence of benefit: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/03/its-time-to-let-go-of-glycemic-index.html

On AGE's: high blood sugar is usually followed by an insulin spike. Since insulin upregulates AGE detoxifying enzymes like glycoxylase-1, blood sugar spikes may not adversely increase AGE levels in insulin sensitive individuals.

3f5a1eb23846056fd854b56db8575d59

on December 29, 2012
at 01:36 AM

Thanks for the reply but I think I'll wait for more responses as your avatar suggests you might be biased toward sugary foods (just kidding!).

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12682)

on December 30, 2012
at 03:50 AM

Haha touché....

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Ee6932fe54ad68039a8d5f7a8caa0468

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on December 29, 2012
at 02:25 AM

stick with your girlfriend. she's on to things.

3f5a1eb23846056fd854b56db8575d59

on December 30, 2012
at 11:36 PM

Thanks for the response, looking at the responses it seems she was correct.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on December 29, 2012
at 01:34 AM

Transient blood sugar spikes happen, are natural, and aren't detrimental to one's health. The problem is when spikes turn into chronic elevated blood sugar. A whole food approach to eating does also tend to reduce glycemic load, which should result in lower blood glucose spikes. Sorry, bud, I'm siding with your girlfriend.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on December 29, 2012
at 01:44 AM

Yeah, no references, just thinking outloud wearing my evolutionary biology thinking cap...

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 29, 2012
at 12:34 PM

If you are going to prove her wrong, you will be looking for another girlfriend soon. Just tell her that she is probably right, that you think otherwise, but she is the most amazing girl in the world and it does not matter who is wrong or right. Make sure you say how beautiful she is and how much you love her afterwards.

Do you have to always win? Who cares about sugar spikes. Maintaining good relationship is much more important.

B2634bf90fa31b48a60e7c4f06761200

(694)

on December 29, 2012
at 01:45 PM

would you rather be happy... or right?

3f5a1eb23846056fd854b56db8575d59

on December 30, 2012
at 11:37 PM

I appreciate the advice but we never fought about it, we only disagreed. No relationships in jeopardy, no worry about winning. Also my girlfriend would absolutely disagree with the sentiment you expressed, bjj caveman. She would rather be (respectfully) told she is wrong. Now I will respectfully tell her she was right!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 31, 2012
at 07:32 AM

Of course, you know your girlfriend better than I do, but that whole right, wrong thing only works when someone is a teacher and there is a multiple choice quiz or a math test. When it comes to relationships, since you are emotionally involved, people take everything personally. So I would not even say to her that she was right. I would stick with "you are amazing" line.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 29, 2012
at 08:10 PM

I want my man to make me feel that I am right even when I am not. Eventually I would figure out that I was wrong, but knowing that he was nice enough not to argue... would be extra +1,000 points for him (in more ways than one). I hate guys who argue. Just let it slide - be cool.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on December 29, 2012
at 08:03 PM

Me? I am always right... and always happy :)

3f5a1eb23846056fd854b56db8575d59

on December 30, 2012
at 11:35 PM

I appreciate the advice but we never fought about it. No relationships in jeopardy, no worry about winning.

3f5a1eb23846056fd854b56db8575d59

on January 03, 2013
at 07:12 PM

I appreciate your insight and I agree with you to a certain extent but sometimes people are wrong and sometimes people are right. I personally feel that a person probably has too much pride if they get upset about being wrong.

Medium avatar

(3029)

on May 21, 2013
at 01:29 PM

Geez, I'd hate to have a boyfriend who just said "yes, dear" after after piece of nonsense I uttered. I don't want him to yell and put me down, but I'd like him to have some sort of an opinion once every few months just to keep it interesting. :)

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7dab2d8c97e44d8d0c298e5c9d5d75bc

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on December 29, 2012
at 05:05 AM

I think I notice a difference in my behavior when my blood sugar is erratic. I think this is a very similar argument to the whole low carb paleo idea.

Anyways, I think that you do not get nearly the same spikes in blood sugar as some of the processed foods with high fructose corn syrup. Also, a few slices of our friend, wheat bread, can spike your blood sugar more than table sugar. Therefore, yes, I do believe insulin spikes are avoided and a part of being paleo!

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3089dd0b9a8f1d24f1b08d6cc3ca84e3

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on December 29, 2012
at 01:51 AM

Focusing to much on a blood sugar spike will cause an anxiety to eat . Dont let this happen eat whole paleo foods and youll be fine , look into Chris Kresser he has some great work . And i love how he defines that if u have no autoimmune disease tjthen a paleo diet of all paleo foods will be fine with not having to worry of Carbs , proteins , fats etc.. that causes a phobia of eating and thats not cool .

3f5a1eb23846056fd854b56db8575d59

on December 30, 2012
at 11:39 PM

Thanks for the response and for the suggestion, I looked at some of Chris Kesser's posts and he's got a lot of good ideas.

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048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

on May 21, 2013
at 08:40 AM

I'd have a look if you haven't to Dr Lustig video series 'The Skiny on Obestiy' and Jack Kruse's post The Holy Trinity (you will see this are extremely hardcore and unbelievable assumptions but think about the implications if this is really true). Then you decide.

I'm sorry I'm not smart enough so I can give you full evidence that you were right about blood sugar spikes and that you should not let the battle end this soon because you could both start sailing in the wrong direction then. It's not about who wins or not as some others debated, it's just about that if you believe there's truth in what you thought and end by letting the bad choice win then you may regret it on the future both for you and your beloved, specially when you could have been so near the truth.

Maybe an occasional blood spike is not that bad compared to the SAD and chronically high blood sugar levels but I'd do a parallelism with tobaco: may one or two cigarettes a month kill you? Most likely not. Is it any good to have them? I hardly doubt so, really. I have the feeling that the same happens with blood sugar.

As I told you, I cannot exactly tell you why, but everything that surrounds me in the end makes me believe again and again in this... we only got to the neolithic diseases once we had processed sugars and fructose, our ancestors most likely NEVER would get a blood sugar spike because even if they were to eat fruit it does not cause it or if they had tubers, a huge amount would be necessary and I doubt it would be easy to reunite so much starches when famine seemed to be the typical scenario. And simple sugars could not be got on hand because there were not just known until recently with industry and food processing. Then there's some other evidence you already pointed like ROS and some other like Kruse found out that any sugar will affect your telomere length period and even if you don't notice it It is harming you slowly everyday because we are not just supposed to eat this way... very hard assumptions but what about if it's true?

Many people here will have rolled back to the conclusion that starches/fruit or whatsoever form of carbohydrates they have choose must be not that bad because when they have felt like crap only getting back some of them reverted them to feeling good again... but the first reason most of them/us got here was also because at some time that was hurting us in the first place... so maybe there's something more in it, maybe are not the carbs in itself but some mineral, the water content, the selenium, that we still cannot access full body fat energy resources for our daily living, or who knows why... but until we get to know for sure I have the feeling that assuming that carbs are needed is still very controverted conclusion. Dr Rosedale for instance is a very reputable longevity specialist and will advocate as low carb as possible to you and he is known to have reverted many people back to healthy...

I'd keep researching for some more time about this topic before you finally adopt either position because it may be the most critical one we are facing here in Paleo Hacks and in the real world in general. Do such thing as safe starches really exist? Frankly I cannot answer to this but I have a feeling about it.

Well, at least eating paleo I find hard that you can ever have a very heavy blood spike and even less very frequently so I guess you are half protected by the way paleo leads you to eat. I just would try not to make that amazing-looking paleo desert recipes that go all over the net very often if that's what your girlfriend was about, just to be safe.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on May 21, 2013
at 08:49 AM

Ouch I just noticed the original question is a little bit old by now. An update about what position did you finally came to would be cool to know.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on May 21, 2013
at 06:57 PM

Yes I know about his main obsession in fructose but in his videos he usually states "sugar spikes insulin period" so I understand from this statements that he also must not be very fond on glucose, so now what you said about him saying the contrary puzzles me a little bit.

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on May 21, 2013
at 04:03 PM

Lustig's obsession is primarily with fructose, whereas "blood sugar" is almost universally used to refer to blood glucose. I've actually heard Lustig say that glucose by itself is totally innocuous, though I'm betting that he'll back down on that if questioned.

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355ae559fc7c4038c63b5897d74e8a40

on May 21, 2013
at 07:38 AM

Paleo is very largely about controlling blood sugar spikes for me and for my husband. I'm happy to concede that it's not an issue for others, perhaps the majority. Isn't this a personal matter on which you can agree to differ?

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D5c91fb53274c3011bc2e465df5d29ab

on December 29, 2012
at 02:06 AM

Although he does not focus on Paleo, Dr Barry Sears first turned me on to research about controlling Sugar levels. His books about the Zone eating program are readily available and he has a great website. I find he is very lucid and many of his ideas can be incorporated into a Paleo lifestyle.

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