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With my meat something sweet, before or after should I eat?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 05, 2012 at 3:38 PM

I have gotten into the habit of eating blueberries on the same plate as my meat and vegetables, rather than eating them separately as a dessert.

What I want to know is, are there any benefits to raising blood-glucose before eating fats, while eating fats or after eating fats?

Is there a best period to be eating high glycemic foods? Are they better to be eaten alone and away from fats or eaten alongside them? Does eating high glycemic foods increase the formation and storage of triglycerides in the adipose tissue more before, during, or after consuming fats?

Simply knowing this may be helpful in choosing when to eat the carbohydrates, and to minimise fat storage.

Many thanks,

08/01/11:
From what I understand theoretically:

Raised ingestion of carbohydrate, raised blood-glucose, raised levels of inuslin, raised formation of glyecrol, raised formation and storage of triclycerides from free fatty-acids.

Thus in the constant flux, would it be beneficial to eat fats during a low blood-glucose period, and eat carbohydrates during a low free fatty-acid period? Obviously it is not so simple, but if both parties need to be involved in the formation and storage of triclycerides then I would have thought one could isolate the ingestion of each during the lowest levels of the other, thus buring glucose for fuel in the absense of high free fatty-acids, and burning free fatty-acids in the absense of high glucose (glycerol) levels.

11/01/11:
For the first time I can't say I actually have an answer to this. I actually submitted it to Robb Wolf, but I don't think it will make the podcast. I think I will have to spend some more effort Googling this.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 13, 2012
at 08:13 PM

Points for you, Bill. No don't spend them all on sweets.

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on January 12, 2012
at 10:30 PM

I don't think it is difficult, I think it means you body has to keep processing food all day. Your body doesn't get done processing the last meal. So your body never switches to other tasks. Autophagy is a good example, and why many of us fast at least occasionally. In this case, I am suggesting 4 hours between your meals is probably more beneficial than any benefit you'd see from separating your food. It's just an educated guess, but one worth thinking about.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on January 12, 2012
at 06:50 PM

Which part? .

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 12, 2012
at 03:51 PM

I have a few day to go on the bounty, but I think you pretty much have had the most thorough answer, or at least the most sensible one even if it what you wrote and what I assume is not entirely correct.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 12, 2012
at 03:49 PM

I don't think it would be that difficult. i.e. no carb breakfast, carb lunch, carb snack, no carb dinner or something like that.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 12, 2012
at 02:41 PM

lol andy your dumb

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on January 12, 2012
at 02:38 PM

this is raw vegan psedo-science it has no basis in fact

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on January 12, 2012
at 02:23 PM

Except, that does not happen. There is no yeast living in your stomach, there are also no bacteria that 'ferment'(convert sugar to ethanol) living there either. When you eat any fruit with meat here is what does happen. As soon as the fruit hits the stomach the absorption of glucose begins. Ezymes break sucrose in fruit down very quickly and easily into glucose and fructose. And fructose is absorbed also. The enzyme that breaks sucrose is plentiful and works very quickly. Glucose goes directly to your blood stream and fructose straight to your liver.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on January 12, 2012
at 02:12 PM

Probably because its not funny like the 13 up voted thing above, but it is accurate. You can always click the check mark next to it. I have not read Taube's, so I can not comment on what he says.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 11, 2012
at 11:39 PM

Bill, I am still unsure why you don't get any votes for this. Either it is to simplified (and thus both of are are then) or apparently not correct. I have just finished Gary Taube's book which in my mind I understand to say all that in a general sense. The carbohydrate hypothesis. But perhaps it is too simplified and I know some people of here do not think Taube's is entirely correct.

C658d3f110a348a964dcf799002c4c2a

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on January 11, 2012
at 05:55 PM

If it's fermenting INSIDE you, the gas build-up can be problematic, from what I understand.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 11, 2012
at 05:45 PM

My follow-up question is, even if I assume the fruit ferments, why is that bad? Sauerkraut, yogurt and water kefir, all of which I consume, are fermented and great for me.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 08, 2012
at 04:56 PM

Added some further clarification in my question above.

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on January 08, 2012
at 01:57 PM

And after the fat has been shunted into storage, the future dietary habits and activities of the individual will determine whether or not it is eventually oxidized. FAT STORES ARE IN CONSTANT FLUX. Big picture, my good man! Go ahead and eat your steak and sweet potato meal - just keep your overall intake in check.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on January 08, 2012
at 03:51 AM

Actually, having re-read your questions in the original post, my post answers them completely and with examples.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on January 08, 2012
at 03:22 AM

Im sorry Andy, let me try again below.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 08, 2012
at 01:53 AM

Yes, I take measurements. My dominant fruit is grapefruit and I can eat them at any time with hardly a tick in the BG. For higher GI fruits like bananas and pineapple eating them as part ofa meal seems to neutralize any BG spike although I usually start with the fruit.

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

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on January 08, 2012
at 01:09 AM

Nance, you take measurements on your BG right? So these results are both qualitative and quantitative? ... I thought I remembered another long-time poster on PH who found that she had better experience eating carbs with her meal after a few bites of fat. I don't remember who that was, though.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 08, 2012
at 12:42 AM

If I remember the link I'll come back and add it, but I recently read that if you eat your meal one food at a time each additional food surrounds the other/s forming layers. They apparently don't mix as I always thought. At least that's what I read so it must be true. :-)) Again, if I can find it again we can hack it.

Dfada6fe4982ab3b7557172f20632da8

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on January 08, 2012
at 12:40 AM

The cause of obesity is at the very least an open question, but the DNL line is misleading and this whole 'answer' misses the point. It says even less than calories in vs. calories out. I really need Beth's picture of the elephant and the blind men I think.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

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on January 05, 2012
at 08:26 PM

Why is that a Paleo theme song? Because they sound like cavemen? :O

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 05, 2012
at 07:32 PM

I wait with baited breath. Personally my thinking is along the same lines as yours. I would like to know if and why it is not entirely correct.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on January 05, 2012
at 07:08 PM

Some people think they can change physiology via will power.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on January 05, 2012
at 07:07 PM

Melissa, you are, without a doubt, the most eclectic person in the universe.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 05, 2012
at 06:48 PM

Someone downvoted this answer? Could they explain why if it is incorrect? Thanks.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 05, 2012
at 06:44 PM

Well this is exactly what I am thinking. Understandably not with blueberries, but say drinking a large glass of orange juice with a fried breakfast probably isn't a great idea. My question is extended though, so if one wanted the orange juice, I wonder when would be the best time to drink it, I assume hours either side of your fatty meal?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 05, 2012
at 06:34 PM

In Sweden I often enjoyed reindeer with a lingonberry sauce.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 05, 2012
at 05:35 PM

Paleo already has a theme song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM89T74MPnE

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 05, 2012
at 05:27 PM

No, I think we need to convert the letters to musical notes--we'll have a PH theme song!

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 05, 2012
at 05:26 PM

This non-teacher did too--I did a double-take at first and then LOL.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on January 05, 2012
at 05:08 PM

That looks like the output of a Turing machine. Homework for the reader, please design such a Turing machine, and post a GIF of it's design here.

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on January 05, 2012
at 04:24 PM

Good question, but this English teacher truly upvoted you for your title. :)

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on January 05, 2012
at 04:07 PM

I knew somebody really smart would answer this question.

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1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

on January 09, 2012
at 12:26 AM

"Eating everything together may mitigate an insulin response, but if you are eating properly then there is not necessarily any gain to this"

Eating everything together does not mitigate an insulin response.

Lets leave protein out of the equation right now.

Consuming high gi carbohydrate blended with fat will cause just as much of an insulin response as consuming the high gi carb first, and then the fat. Even if the fat slowed it down a slight bit, it would not be enough to cause a different outcome.

In the presence of a 'glycogen spike' and therefore an insulin spike, carbohydrate burning increases and fat burning decreases. Storage of glycogen increases and storage of FFA increases.

While consumption of carbohydrate increases oxidation of carbohydrate, consumption of fat does not increase oxidation of fat.

Unless its someones goal to gain body fat, consuming high gi carbohydrate along with fat is a bad idea.

If only one meal is consumed, once insulin returns to normal, that stored fat will be released and used for fuel. However, if that same type of meal, is eaten over and over and over 3x-(god forbid 6x) a day fat gain most certainly will occur.

Eating a sweet potato and a steak PWO is another matter completely as your muscle/liver glycogen is low, its a low GI carb, and most likely you are consuming a moderately low amount of fat in your steak.

"What I want to know is, are there any benefits to raising blood-glucose before eating fats, while eating fats or after eating fats? <---There is absolutely no benefit to raising blood glucose levels before,during, or after eating fats.

"Is there a best period to be eating high glycemic foods?" <-- Away from high fat foods.

"Are they(carbohydrate) better to be eaten alone and away from fats or eaten alongside them?" <--- It depends on what state your body is in , what your glycogen storage levels are and what you are trying to accomplish.

"Does eating high glycemic foods increase the formation and storage of triglycerides in the adipose tissue more before, during, or after consuming fats?" <---- Eating high GI foods increases the storage of FFA in adipose tissue in the presence of high gi carbs+insulin+fat, it matters little what order you eat the food in.

"Thus in the constant flux, would it be beneficial to eat fats during a low blood-glucose period, and eat carbohydrates during a low free fatty-acid period?" <-- You are NEVER in a 'low blood glucose period'(barring diabetes), physiology does not allow for such a thing.

"Obviously it is not so simple, but if both parties need to be involved in the formation and storage of triclycerides then I would have thought one could isolate the ingestion of each during the lowest levels of the other, thus buring glucose for fuel in the absense of high free fatty-acids, and burning free fatty-acids in the absense of high glucose (glycerol) levels." <-- You are correct. (Although over consumption of fat WILL cause fat gain), don't buy into the BS that a person can eat just fat, tons of it, and lose weight. Sure, they can lose their muscle mass and glycogen mass faster than the fat can be packed on, but eating fat does not increase the rate at which fat is burned.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 12, 2012
at 03:51 PM

I have a few day to go on the bounty, but I think you pretty much have had the most thorough answer, or at least the most sensible one even if it what you wrote and what I assume is not entirely correct.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 11, 2012
at 11:39 PM

Bill, I am still unsure why you don't get any votes for this. Either it is to simplified (and thus both of are are then) or apparently not correct. I have just finished Gary Taube's book which in my mind I understand to say all that in a general sense. The carbohydrate hypothesis. But perhaps it is too simplified and I know some people of here do not think Taube's is entirely correct.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on January 12, 2012
at 02:12 PM

Probably because its not funny like the 13 up voted thing above, but it is accurate. You can always click the check mark next to it. I have not read Taube's, so I can not comment on what he says.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on January 12, 2012
at 06:50 PM

Which part? .

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 13, 2012
at 08:13 PM

Points for you, Bill. No don't spend them all on sweets.

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A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on January 05, 2012
at 04:00 PM

Let M be a bite of meat, let V be a bite of vegetable and let B be one blueberry. Eat as follows:

VVMBBMVBMMVBBBVMVVB and repeat until finished.

Now, let M=0, V=1 and B=2. Convert the above string to octal and subract your eight digit birthday. Mod 4 this number to determine whether you should be paleo, vegan, raw vegan or fruitarian.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 05, 2012
at 05:27 PM

No, I think we need to convert the letters to musical notes--we'll have a PH theme song!

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on January 05, 2012
at 04:07 PM

I knew somebody really smart would answer this question.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19463)

on January 05, 2012
at 05:08 PM

That looks like the output of a Turing machine. Homework for the reader, please design such a Turing machine, and post a GIF of it's design here.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on January 05, 2012
at 05:35 PM

Paleo already has a theme song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM89T74MPnE

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on January 05, 2012
at 08:26 PM

Why is that a Paleo theme song? Because they sound like cavemen? :O

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on January 05, 2012
at 05:07 PM

With the most respectful apologies to Dr. Seuss: :)

Do you like doughnuts and ham? I do not like them, Sam-I-am. I do not like doughnuts and ham.

Would you like them here or there?

I would not like them here or there. I would not like them anywhere. I do not like doughnuts and ham. I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

Would you like them in a house? Would you like them with a mouse?

I do not like them in a house. I do not like them with a mouse. I do not like them here or there. I do not like them anywhere. I do not like doughnuts and ham. I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

Would you eat them in a box? Would you eat them with a fox?

Not in a box. Not with a fox. Not in a house. Not with a mouse. I would not eat them here or there. I would not eat them anywhere. I would not eat doughnuts and ham. I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

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Dfada6fe4982ab3b7557172f20632da8

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on January 08, 2012
at 12:36 AM

In the scope of a meal, realistically, everything gets pretty well mixed up in the stomach before serious digestion. More significant for most is the residual taste sensation. Does finishing with something sweet leave you satisfied or just wanting more sweetness?

Going for the Paleo perspective, I don't believe berries would typically have been brought out to accompany a fresh kill, so were likely eaten largely separately.

Eating everything together may mitigate an insulin response, but if you are eating properly then there is not necessarily any gain to this. A healthy body knows how to handle an influx of berries, and it's doesn't look to damage itself in the process. When you eat fats, they're going to be stored in any event. Fat storage isn't the issue, fat is in constant flux, it's the net balance you want to look at. So the question is, how does timing of carbs affect your activity levels and appetite? And as I started with, I think on the level you're talking, that's a personal/habitual thing that is more dependent on the signals dancing round your tongue than any great subtlety of digestion.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 08, 2012
at 12:42 AM

If I remember the link I'll come back and add it, but I recently read that if you eat your meal one food at a time each additional food surrounds the other/s forming layers. They apparently don't mix as I always thought. At least that's what I read so it must be true. :-)) Again, if I can find it again we can hack it.

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1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

on January 05, 2012
at 06:35 PM

"What I want to know is, are there any benefits to raising blood-glucose before eating fats, while eating fats or after eating fats?

Here is a real answer. The answer is no. Seriously. Raising blood glucose levels and the insulin release this causes prompts the body to stop using fat for fuel and start storing the fat in your system.

This is how people get fat (not saying you would get fat from blueberries and meat though). De Novo Lipogenesis - conversion of carbs to fat, IS VERY RARE IN HUMAN BEINGS and is NOT the cause of obesity and insidious fat gain. Its the consumption carbs at the same time as fat.

Therefore: Fat+Protein+low carb or no carb meal = little if any fat gain.

Carbs+ protein = little to any fat gain once the fat circulating is stored

Carbs+fat+w or wo protein = fat gain via the storage of dietary fats while sugar/insulin levels are elevated.

Now, regarding blueberries and meat. If you eat a lb of blueberries there is enough 'glucose' in the 'sucrose' to spike off your blood glucose and insulin. Consume that with a fatty meat and you will be storing that dietary fat as body fat.

A cup of blueberries and lean meat? Not as big of an issue.

1 cup blueberries = 20 grams of carbs. 10 cups = 200 grams.

Big difference between the two when consumed with fat.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 05, 2012
at 06:44 PM

Well this is exactly what I am thinking. Understandably not with blueberries, but say drinking a large glass of orange juice with a fried breakfast probably isn't a great idea. My question is extended though, so if one wanted the orange juice, I wonder when would be the best time to drink it, I assume hours either side of your fatty meal?

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 05, 2012
at 06:48 PM

Someone downvoted this answer? Could they explain why if it is incorrect? Thanks.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on January 05, 2012
at 07:08 PM

Some people think they can change physiology via will power.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 05, 2012
at 07:32 PM

I wait with baited breath. Personally my thinking is along the same lines as yours. I would like to know if and why it is not entirely correct.

Dfada6fe4982ab3b7557172f20632da8

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on January 08, 2012
at 12:40 AM

The cause of obesity is at the very least an open question, but the DNL line is misleading and this whole 'answer' misses the point. It says even less than calories in vs. calories out. I really need Beth's picture of the elephant and the blind men I think.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on January 08, 2012
at 03:22 AM

Im sorry Andy, let me try again below.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on January 08, 2012
at 03:51 AM

Actually, having re-read your questions in the original post, my post answers them completely and with examples.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 08, 2012
at 04:56 PM

Added some further clarification in my question above.

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on January 08, 2012
at 01:57 PM

And after the fat has been shunted into storage, the future dietary habits and activities of the individual will determine whether or not it is eventually oxidized. FAT STORES ARE IN CONSTANT FLUX. Big picture, my good man! Go ahead and eat your steak and sweet potato meal - just keep your overall intake in check.

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on January 12, 2012
at 02:41 PM

lol andy your dumb

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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at 06:24 PM

LOL It feels weird to answer in plain English but I couldn't think of anything creative.

As one of the fruit lovers on PH, I've tried fruit at the beginning of meals, as a stand-alone, combined with yogurt as a separate mini-meal and as dessert at the end of meals.

In my case, it does make a difference and the best results have been with the yogurt and at the beginning of a meal. Standing alone, it's usually okay but I did have a BG spike with pineapple by itself. As dessert, I noticed a little bloating although it didn't last long.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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at 01:53 AM

Yes, I take measurements. My dominant fruit is grapefruit and I can eat them at any time with hardly a tick in the BG. For higher GI fruits like bananas and pineapple eating them as part ofa meal seems to neutralize any BG spike although I usually start with the fruit.

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on January 08, 2012
at 01:09 AM

Nance, you take measurements on your BG right? So these results are both qualitative and quantitative? ... I thought I remembered another long-time poster on PH who found that she had better experience eating carbs with her meal after a few bites of fat. I don't remember who that was, though.

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at 02:34 PM

Everyone appears to be considering the pros and cons of eating them together; let me suggest trying to eat things apart might be worse. If you go for a strict separation, you eat more times a day. If you eat more times a day, your body is involved with processing food and the subsequent hormone cascades caused by eating. It doesn't really matter what these are so much as that you approach a steady-state.
We can't really be sure whether or not Grok had blueberries with his steak, but we can reasonably assume it is unlikely he ate every two hours and had some sort of ideological reason to avoid carbs with his protein. Grok went long periods of time without food, and then when he found food, he ate a lot of it. Food separation sounds more like a modern American fad diet thing- you probably need a refrigerator, a watch, and really bad advice found in a muscle mag about how you'll lose all your muscle if you don't eat six times a day- to do it. The intermittent fasting/warrior diet folks have pretty much proved this advice is ridiculous.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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at 03:49 PM

I don't think it would be that difficult. i.e. no carb breakfast, carb lunch, carb snack, no carb dinner or something like that.

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on January 12, 2012
at 10:30 PM

I don't think it is difficult, I think it means you body has to keep processing food all day. Your body doesn't get done processing the last meal. So your body never switches to other tasks. Autophagy is a good example, and why many of us fast at least occasionally. In this case, I am suggesting 4 hours between your meals is probably more beneficial than any benefit you'd see from separating your food. It's just an educated guess, but one worth thinking about.

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on January 05, 2012
at 04:17 PM

Meat? Blueberries?

Reminds me of the classic Peter Kay sketch...Garlic? Bread?

2 substances that simply do not belong together...

Although still infinitely more Paleo than garlic bread...

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7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on January 05, 2012
at 03:46 PM

I can't speak to the triglycerides but theoretically (brings me back to my Zone days) the fat and protein supposedly slow down both the digestion and the blood sugar raising effect of the blueberries. If you are talking about blueberries though...they are lower on the blood sugar spiking spectrum so I think the timing is minimal.

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C658d3f110a348a964dcf799002c4c2a

on January 11, 2012
at 05:40 PM

From what I have read, if you eat a fruit with a meal, it can neutralize your stomach's pH and cause the fruit to sit and ferment and the animal fats to go rancid leading to gas and indigestion. Fruit should be eaten 30 minutes before or after a meal.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 11, 2012
at 05:45 PM

My follow-up question is, even if I assume the fruit ferments, why is that bad? Sauerkraut, yogurt and water kefir, all of which I consume, are fermented and great for me.

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at 05:55 PM

If it's fermenting INSIDE you, the gas build-up can be problematic, from what I understand.

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on January 12, 2012
at 02:23 PM

Except, that does not happen. There is no yeast living in your stomach, there are also no bacteria that 'ferment'(convert sugar to ethanol) living there either. When you eat any fruit with meat here is what does happen. As soon as the fruit hits the stomach the absorption of glucose begins. Ezymes break sucrose in fruit down very quickly and easily into glucose and fructose. And fructose is absorbed also. The enzyme that breaks sucrose is plentiful and works very quickly. Glucose goes directly to your blood stream and fructose straight to your liver.

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at 02:38 PM

this is raw vegan psedo-science it has no basis in fact

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