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Short Blackouts

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 18, 2011 at 7:46 AM

My girlfriends has been doing the Paleo/Primal diet for about 5 weeks now. I'm doing good but she keeps having tiny blackouts when she stands up or sits down (she didn't have these before). Does anyone know why this is and how she can change it?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on September 19, 2011
at 02:20 PM

also exercising a lot seems to make it worse for me :(

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on September 19, 2011
at 02:20 PM

I guess for some folks it's genetic. I also find that exercising less decreases orthostatic hypotension for me, but that's a different animal from vertigo. You might need some kind of physical therapy for that, with balance exercises, biofeedback, and whatnot.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on September 19, 2011
at 02:18 PM

Yes, that plus increasing calories solved that for me

8c5533ffe71bd4262fedc7e898ead1ba

(1724)

on September 19, 2011
at 07:58 AM

Hmm, I'd be very surprised if she really had 20-25% bodyfat given her height and weight. She is very thin, obviously (or maybe not so obviously?). I would suspect low blood sugar and/or not eating enough.

De9324827e8a7afa5577720bea645c58

on September 19, 2011
at 06:26 AM

Oh we're not very low carb btw.

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on September 18, 2011
at 07:21 PM

Dr. Eades talked about this too: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/tips-tricks-for-starting-or-restarting-low-carb-pt-ii/

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on September 18, 2011
at 01:41 PM

This is what I was going to suggest, exactly what happens to me when my salt intake is low.

5b69a02dadcae753771921d913909215

(1457)

on September 18, 2011
at 01:14 PM

And by salt I really meant sodium

5b69a02dadcae753771921d913909215

(1457)

on September 18, 2011
at 01:10 PM

You likely need potassium more than salt especially if you are going low carb.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on September 18, 2011
at 09:03 AM

I'm on a salt kick, and may have over simplified a bit. Ummm...not to panic you, but it might not be a bad idea for her to take a pregnancy test too, sometimes blacking out like that can be an early sign of pregnancy. Or she might just be working out too hard without sufficient electrolytes.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 18, 2011
at 08:56 AM

However, its most probable that its some mineral disbalance.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 18, 2011
at 08:56 AM

Possible, but may not be only factor. I added more salt and I take huge amounts of sodium ascorbate and still have it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 18, 2011
at 08:54 AM

Exactly. Happened to me to cuz my wife makes low salt meals.

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on September 18, 2011
at 08:00 AM

That lady needs some salt! She is experiencing postural hypotension, often blamed on adrenal fatigue. I have it myself, and actually posted a question about it this morning. Here's a link to that discussion:

http://paleohacks.com/questions/65570/too-much-salt-improving-adrenal-fatigue/65586#65586

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 18, 2011
at 08:54 AM

Exactly. Happened to me to cuz my wife makes low salt meals.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 18, 2011
at 08:56 AM

Possible, but may not be only factor. I added more salt and I take huge amounts of sodium ascorbate and still have it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 18, 2011
at 08:56 AM

However, its most probable that its some mineral disbalance.

5b69a02dadcae753771921d913909215

(1457)

on September 18, 2011
at 01:10 PM

You likely need potassium more than salt especially if you are going low carb.

5b69a02dadcae753771921d913909215

(1457)

on September 18, 2011
at 01:14 PM

And by salt I really meant sodium

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on September 18, 2011
at 01:41 PM

This is what I was going to suggest, exactly what happens to me when my salt intake is low.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on September 18, 2011
at 09:03 AM

I'm on a salt kick, and may have over simplified a bit. Ummm...not to panic you, but it might not be a bad idea for her to take a pregnancy test too, sometimes blacking out like that can be an early sign of pregnancy. Or she might just be working out too hard without sufficient electrolytes.

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on September 18, 2011
at 07:21 PM

Dr. Eades talked about this too: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/tips-tricks-for-starting-or-restarting-low-carb-pt-ii/

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Eb4df3c41d816b7d6c69f63818cfc682

on September 18, 2011
at 01:16 PM

Highly recommend for her to go to a doctor.

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De9324827e8a7afa5577720bea645c58

on September 19, 2011
at 06:25 AM

She's not overweight. She's currently at 53kg(116lbs) and 1.70m (5'7) and has a BF percentage between 20-25%. I'm buying some himalayan salt today and see how that works for a week. If that doesn't work we'll try the potassium. If that doesn't work we'll go to the doctor. Thanks for all the replies!

De9324827e8a7afa5577720bea645c58

on September 19, 2011
at 06:26 AM

Oh we're not very low carb btw.

8c5533ffe71bd4262fedc7e898ead1ba

(1724)

on September 19, 2011
at 07:58 AM

Hmm, I'd be very surprised if she really had 20-25% bodyfat given her height and weight. She is very thin, obviously (or maybe not so obviously?). I would suspect low blood sugar and/or not eating enough.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on September 19, 2011
at 02:18 PM

Yes, that plus increasing calories solved that for me

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on September 19, 2011
at 02:20 PM

also exercising a lot seems to make it worse for me :(

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2f61c841a2834c23f15e6134cf733bff

on September 19, 2011
at 04:40 AM

Orthostatic hypotension is my problem as well, in fact it kept me from being drafted when I was a teenager, and since I began this new lifestyle my bp has dropped from a high (for me) of 130/80 to 99/69. I never thought to look into how to remedy it, I just accept it as part of my physiology and take care not to hurt myself. You may want to check Wikipedia for some very relevant info; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_blood_pressure

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24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on September 18, 2011
at 11:45 PM

Are you eating very low carbs? If so, this is probably not best for her physiology. You could force it with salted broths and the like, but that doesn't seem to me to be worthwhile long term. By that I mean if she's very overweight and this can help with weight loss, then it's a temporary tradeoff. If not, why eat a diet that causes this?? Solution: Eat carbs.

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A727956fa3f943057c4edb08ad9e864e

on September 18, 2011
at 03:48 PM

I had something like this issue and tried everything (vertigo):

Things that didn't work:

  1. Eating more salt
  2. Eating more potassium
  3. Supplementing Mg
  4. Drinking fruit juice (that made it worse!)
  5. Increasing safe starches

Melissa McEwan pointed out to me that it might be lack of calories, I immediately thought, no, I'm not hungry! Surely eating to appetite means eating enough? Not so apparently, had to really make an effort to up the cals but as soon as I did the issue went away and hasn't come back.

It's way too easy to undereat on paleo, which is why it's a great weight loss tool, but if you are already at goal that might be an issue

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on September 19, 2011
at 02:20 PM

I guess for some folks it's genetic. I also find that exercising less decreases orthostatic hypotension for me, but that's a different animal from vertigo. You might need some kind of physical therapy for that, with balance exercises, biofeedback, and whatnot.

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2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on September 18, 2011
at 01:43 PM

Is she eating enough calories? Drinking enough water? Including enough salt? The last one is a biggy for me, I am extremely light headed and dizzy and almost black out upon standing if my salt intake is too low.

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26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

on September 19, 2011
at 01:18 AM

I get this with low-carb. Is she thin? Does she have lower blood pressure generally? Both are true for me.

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345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on September 18, 2011
at 03:42 PM

Potassium or salt could be the issue. I have low blood pressure and now stable bg.. I use to have this issue constantly, bananas didn't help me but adding regular iodized salt help resolve it completely. Now when I feel dizzy and start to go black I know I need salt.

Hopefully it something as simple as this. Does she have low bp?

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