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Paleo Causing Binging?

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Created November 08, 2011 at 12:38 PM

I have been off and on paleo for about 1 yr. The longest stretch I have done is 5 weeks and then I throw in the towel, eat everything in the pantry (literally), feel bad about it and a week later am back on paleo. The problem is this is doing nothing but causing weight gain instead of reducing. I only have about 8 lbs to lose anyway but this binging is making me spin my wheels for nothing! I usually get a huge intense craving for carbs about 2 weeks into paleo and eat all day and night. And it's not even good food! Like pieces of bread with honey!

Does anyone have this and how do you handle it? I was not a binge eater before this!

I would love to stick with paleo b/c it prevents me from sticking my hand in the cereal box all day. I do snack in the fridge but it's usually in some pulled pig and really how much of that can you eat? I guess it's the structure I need.

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on November 11, 2011
at 08:27 AM

Will your kids eat meatballs? Hamburgers with smiley faces made with peppers and olives? Have fun with food!

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on November 10, 2011
at 12:53 AM

I would also suggest trying to incorporate lots of nutrient-dense fat sources, especially animal sources. I try and get either pastured egg yolks or liver (via braunschweiger) every day. I've recently started including shellfish (particularly mussels and oysters). My other faves are grass-fed butter and very dark chocolate.

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on November 10, 2011
at 12:39 AM

When I accidentally was eating 900 cals a day I collapsed on the sidewalk (ketosis-induced appetite suppression on Atkins - was shocked when I put what I was eating into Fitday and saw how little I was eating). Put more food in you! You're starving!

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on November 09, 2011
at 03:23 PM

There's a lot that is paleo that isn't meat! Your kids will benefit from not eating processed foods - and they're at the perfect age to break the habit. What about full fat yogurt, fruits, carrots, applesauce, stuff like that? there's no reason to put crap in their mouths if you can avoid it. Just sayin'

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on November 09, 2011
at 12:02 PM

My kids -- now all adults -- love this stuff. Hardest part was packing lunches -- but I got them containers, set out a lot of shelf-stable stuff (homemade jerky, out-of-the-shell hard-boiled eggs, dried blueberries, hard cheese, carrot and celery sticks, seasonal fruit/veggies, etc.) and let them create their lunches out of what sounded good to them. Kids are surprisingly resilient. They'll surprise you.

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at 09:10 PM

I agree, hon -- I think, at least in part, you're driven to binge because you are starving. If you have kids under 5, you might want to think about taking advantage of these years and getting rid of all the food that they shouldn't be eating anyway -- yes, I know they'll gripe, mope, threaten to starve themselves, throw tantrums... in the end, though, you're the Momma, and I know you want to give them the best chance of a healthy life that you possibly can. Trust me -- when they get hungry, they'll eat. (And it won't hurt them to have egg yolks and berries and sweet potatoes and heavy cream.

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on November 08, 2011
at 07:33 PM

Good for you! One potential issue is that when you eat the meat it may take your body a little while to realize it got what it needed so your appetite; take a little break with your kids before eating the other paleo foods and see if that helps. BTW, I don't believe 900 calories is enough for you no matter what you eat!

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on November 08, 2011
at 07:32 PM

Good for you! One potential issue is that when you eat the meat it may take your body a little while to realize it got what it needed so your appetite; take a little break with your kids before eating the other paleo foods and see if that helps.

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on November 08, 2011
at 06:31 PM

@Beth, I wasn't a binge eater before going on my first VL-everything diet. After that, any diet (and I tried just about all of them except Atkins before the late 90's) led to eventual binging. This is why I have a hard time wrapping my head around various deficiencies, etc. as being causes of obesity or self-destructive eating behavior. It's often said that to fix the fat on your body you have to fix the fat in your head. Too many take that to mean they have psychological problems and the stigma of all that. It's more just realizing the power of self suggestion/self fulfilling prophecy.

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on November 08, 2011
at 05:19 PM

Totally agree: this is brilliant and beautiful, Forestorm. No need to apologize for "tricking the mind" (into a more optimistic frame), for pessimism is not less of trick simply because it can be such a habit, thus seeming normal. Plus, the negativity of the world supports individual negatively ever so nicely. The pessimism habit typically announces itself as the voice of realism and accuracy, whispering that looking for and expecting new and promising outcomes just leads to being tired and burned out. Funny thing: positive tends to foster energy. Negative tends toward entropy, resignation.

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on November 08, 2011
at 05:17 PM

Totally agree: this is brilliant and beautiful, Forestorm. No need to apologize for "tricking the mind" (into a more optimistic frame), for pessimism is not less of trick simply because it can be such a habit, thus seeming normal. Plus, the negativity of the world supports individual negatively ever so nicely. The pessimism habit typically announces itself as the voice of realism and accuracy, whispering that looking for and expecting new and promising outcomes just leads to being tired and burned out. Funny thing: positive people tend to have energy. Negative people tend to ... have less.

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on November 08, 2011
at 05:16 PM

Totally agree: this is brilliant and beautiful, Forestorm. No need to apologize for "tricking the mind" (into a more optimistic frame), for pessimism is not less of trick simply because it can be such a habit, thus seeming normal. Plus, the negativity of the world supports individual negatively ever so nicely. The pessimism habit typically announces itself as the voice of realism and accuracy, whispering that looking for and expecting new and promising outcomes takes too much work.

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on November 08, 2011
at 05:11 PM

I think this is a very healthy answer. And thank you, jessyannb, for being so open about your experience, because I know there are quite a few people out here who struggle this way. DON'T underestimate the power of emotional work as well, which is most often the cause of binge eating.

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on November 08, 2011
at 04:02 PM

Firestorm, this is the most beautiful answer that I have ever come across on this site. I have never been so moved and touched by anyone's input before. Most likely because everything you've described is what I am currently in the middle of battling with. I feel so lost most days, seeing dieticians and nutritionists to help with binge eating, feeling deprived on Paleo, and being obsessed with those last few lbs. Thank you. i will print out what you just wrote and read it every single day. If you feel comfortable I would love to be able to speak about it through email. jeni.jazz@gmail.com

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on November 08, 2011
at 03:48 PM

As a short term fix, just binge on Paleo-friendly options like bananas and sweet potatoes. The more long term solution is in line with what Beth said, i.e. find out whether you're skimping on carbs (my best guess) or some trace minerals in your diet.

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on November 08, 2011
at 02:10 PM

Eating more meat might help (or just bigger meals with less snacking). And I would say don't be afraid of paleo carbs or even the non-paleo "safe starches". I had a nice big dinner last night - meatloaf and baked potato (with butter/cheese) and I had no desire for my usual late night snacking.

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on November 08, 2011
at 02:08 PM

I'm with Jessyannb - there's no way this could be a lifestyle for me without cheese, full fat cream & yogurt and dark chocolate - I live in Switzerland, after all... it's all about balancing what your own particular body can handle.

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on November 08, 2011
at 01:23 PM

I might have answered as you did, save for Susan's comment that she wasn't a binge eater before going paleo. That said, there's an interesting rat study that shows that the best way to create binge eating in rats is to feed them sugar and then deprive them of it.

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on November 08, 2011
at 12:52 PM

What does your version of paleo look like? I think jessyannb is right ... the binges are being triggered because you're restricting something (calories, carbs, nutrients) that you need.

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on November 08, 2011
at 12:48 PM

I have suffered from binge eating and bulimia for many years,and any time that I put myself on a very restrictive diet it makes it worse. The other thing that triggers me to binge eat is carbs. This is a bad cycle: you restrict yourself hugely, then you "cheat" with carbs, which triggers cravings for more carbs, which ends up with a massive binge.

The thing that I find most helpful is, although I follow a mostly paleo diet, I am not crazy strict. I love the idea of doing something like the Whole30, but I know that being so restricted like that is extremely triggering for me. I am better off following a mostly paleo diet, but eating a bit of dairy and dark chocolate, which is a way that I can eat forever, rather than being hugely strict with myself and ending up bingeing and purging.

I think that this whole thing is about finding out what works best for you, and if you are eating in a way which triggers bingeing for you, then maybe you need to tweak it a bit to make it something that you can live with forever.

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on November 08, 2011
at 02:08 PM

I'm with Jessyannb - there's no way this could be a lifestyle for me without cheese, full fat cream & yogurt and dark chocolate - I live in Switzerland, after all... it's all about balancing what your own particular body can handle.

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on November 08, 2011
at 05:11 PM

I think this is a very healthy answer. And thank you, jessyannb, for being so open about your experience, because I know there are quite a few people out here who struggle this way. DON'T underestimate the power of emotional work as well, which is most often the cause of binge eating.

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on November 08, 2011
at 01:14 PM

First, please forgive if this gets 'ranty', or sounds too WooWoo...(and for it being WAY long). If you don't mind me saying so, it sounds like you've got a bit of deprivation anxiety going on there -- when we have an obsession, our minds (which are sometimes lying little buggers) figure out how to turn everything into an obsession. I have a history of binge eating, bulimia, and anorexia. Damned near killed myself with anorexia in my teens trying to model (because momma gave up her career as a model to have kids and was SURE her daughter would be famous), and spent some time in a 'treatment facility' for anorexics -- came out, and became a binge eater/bulimic. Then I got diagnosed with MS and went straight to "binge eater" without the bulimia. It didn't do my body much good, but every "diet" I was ever on, whether they called it a 'food plan" "diet" etc. triggered that sense that I was being deprived of something I wanted very, very much -- to the point where, when I was diagnosed with celiac, I was SURE that if I didn't have some toast, I was gonna die -- and eating it very nearly did that up for me... a whole loaf of wheat bread and a celiac sufferer... SO not a good combination... so I feel where you're coming from.

I know this may sound hokey, but you can't "trick" your mind. If you genuinely want to be healthier, then you're going to have to do this for yourself, and know WHY you're doing it, really want to have that reason take shape, and it can't be about a few pounds... that's the only way that you're going to be able to get past that place in your mind and trust yourself that what you're doing isn't deprivation and isn't a diet, and you're going to have to forgive yourself and keep ON forgiving yourself when you make a choice that you pre-judge as "wrong"... It's ok... we're allowed--encouraged even -- to be human and to really ENJOY our lives -- Eating real, whole, pre-agriculture food isn't a punishment or a deprivation... it's a chance to be healthy. Let go of those 8 lbs. Make them irrelevant. Remind yourself, every single day, that your body DOES know where you belong in terms of health, and that you're giving it a chance to have its say. Get rid of the scale. If you're an obsessive, it just gives something else to obsess about. Trust how you feel... and don't replace the scale with obsessing about exercise, either -- just let it go and let your body find its path.

Find things about paleo that you really like, and focus on those. Clean out the pantry, so that when you DO get that call to eat, you'll increase the chances that you'll start making choices that support the healthy life you've chosen. Don't worry about restricting anything -- choose good foods instead. If you want carbohydrates, eat them -- choose sweet potatoes, taro root, yucca root, beets, carrots, onions, turnips... almost any "underground plant storage device" -- there are so many to choose from. Fry up some ripe plantain in coconut oil or butter. Bake an acorn or butternut squash (split, turn split side down in a baking dish, bake at 350 till soft) and mash it up with some butter.

Stop beating yourself up over a few pounds. Learn to express creativity. Draw, paint, dance, crochet, write, blog -- do SOMETHING so when you're feeling frustrated or just can't get past those voices in your head, you have an outlet.

When I first started paleo, I had real issues with emotional eating. Now I'm not an artist by ANY stretch of the imagination -- the written word is my 'art'... but I hung a piece of paper up on the cabinet doors and on the fridge, and before I'd get a piece of food, I'd grab a crayon (Yes, a crayon -- very satisfying, and humble) and just draw/scribble/picture-rant whatever I was feeling onto that piece of paper. Then, if I still wanted whatever I'd gone out there for, I had it. Most of the time... I could walk away, go do something else, and I was OK, at least for a little while.

For those of us who struggle with food at any point in their lives, IME 99% of the time, it has nothing to do with the food part -- it has to do with where our head is at in this space and this time -- and it's as important to figure out why we're making choices that WE don't like as it is to figure out the practical parts of the way we eat... the hardest part is getting away from the idea that somehow, if we can just figure this out, we'll be perfect. So let me tell you -- you already are. Namaste.

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on November 08, 2011
at 05:16 PM

Totally agree: this is brilliant and beautiful, Forestorm. No need to apologize for "tricking the mind" (into a more optimistic frame), for pessimism is not less of trick simply because it can be such a habit, thus seeming normal. Plus, the negativity of the world supports individual negatively ever so nicely. The pessimism habit typically announces itself as the voice of realism and accuracy, whispering that looking for and expecting new and promising outcomes takes too much work.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on November 08, 2011
at 01:23 PM

I might have answered as you did, save for Susan's comment that she wasn't a binge eater before going paleo. That said, there's an interesting rat study that shows that the best way to create binge eating in rats is to feed them sugar and then deprive them of it.

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on November 08, 2011
at 04:02 PM

Firestorm, this is the most beautiful answer that I have ever come across on this site. I have never been so moved and touched by anyone's input before. Most likely because everything you've described is what I am currently in the middle of battling with. I feel so lost most days, seeing dieticians and nutritionists to help with binge eating, feeling deprived on Paleo, and being obsessed with those last few lbs. Thank you. i will print out what you just wrote and read it every single day. If you feel comfortable I would love to be able to speak about it through email. jeni.jazz@gmail.com

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on November 08, 2011
at 05:17 PM

Totally agree: this is brilliant and beautiful, Forestorm. No need to apologize for "tricking the mind" (into a more optimistic frame), for pessimism is not less of trick simply because it can be such a habit, thus seeming normal. Plus, the negativity of the world supports individual negatively ever so nicely. The pessimism habit typically announces itself as the voice of realism and accuracy, whispering that looking for and expecting new and promising outcomes just leads to being tired and burned out. Funny thing: positive people tend to have energy. Negative people tend to ... have less.

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on November 08, 2011
at 06:31 PM

@Beth, I wasn't a binge eater before going on my first VL-everything diet. After that, any diet (and I tried just about all of them except Atkins before the late 90's) led to eventual binging. This is why I have a hard time wrapping my head around various deficiencies, etc. as being causes of obesity or self-destructive eating behavior. It's often said that to fix the fat on your body you have to fix the fat in your head. Too many take that to mean they have psychological problems and the stigma of all that. It's more just realizing the power of self suggestion/self fulfilling prophecy.

Medium avatar

(8239)

on November 08, 2011
at 05:19 PM

Totally agree: this is brilliant and beautiful, Forestorm. No need to apologize for "tricking the mind" (into a more optimistic frame), for pessimism is not less of trick simply because it can be such a habit, thus seeming normal. Plus, the negativity of the world supports individual negatively ever so nicely. The pessimism habit typically announces itself as the voice of realism and accuracy, whispering that looking for and expecting new and promising outcomes just leads to being tired and burned out. Funny thing: positive tends to foster energy. Negative tends toward entropy, resignation.

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on November 08, 2011
at 04:58 PM

Can't really store meat in the pantry, so you must be eating a buncha crap from there. Just stop buying that stuff and keep your refrigerator stocked with a lot of meat. If you don't have access to a grill, buy one. Start grilling lots of meat and binge on that all you want. Eat starch if you want, but make your diet primarily meat/organ based.

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on November 09, 2011
at 06:54 AM

You are really depriving your body of nutrition with no breakfast and and an Atkins bar for lunch. You are starving yourself on 900 calories a day! Focus on getting a solid, high protein, high fat breakfast. If you can skip lunch, OK.

With 3 kids under 5 NOW is the time you need to get their eating in line or you are setting yourself up for a lifelong battle. Engage them every week in food planning and production and steer clear of the need for a snack. Make food fun:

  • Ants on a log - celery with cream cheese or almond butter topped with raisins
  • Anything on a stick - beef, chicken, fruit kabobs
  • Dipping ponds
  • Anything wrapped in bacon
  • Devilled eggs
  • Lettuce or cabbage wrapped tacos

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on November 09, 2011
at 12:02 PM

My kids -- now all adults -- love this stuff. Hardest part was packing lunches -- but I got them containers, set out a lot of shelf-stable stuff (homemade jerky, out-of-the-shell hard-boiled eggs, dried blueberries, hard cheese, carrot and celery sticks, seasonal fruit/veggies, etc.) and let them create their lunches out of what sounded good to them. Kids are surprisingly resilient. They'll surprise you.

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on November 08, 2011
at 12:56 PM

I have had this issue and still do sometimes. I find that if I keep my carbs between 50-100g on rest days of mostly vegetables, and 100-150 on workout days of about 50% starches I do better.

Try restricting your calorie intake/carb intake less. Put a little less stress on your body and you should be able to reduce the cravings and binges.

I also agree with jessyannb in that being less strict can be a blessing. Try to not think of Paleo as black and white. Think about it like your parents would want: eat healthy as much as possible.

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on November 09, 2011
at 10:52 PM

Great response below Susan. You definitely need some change. Paleo is never the cause of a binge. Our personal bastardization of paleo may very well be. I think eating more and figuring out how best to deal with your urges are the way to go and it sounds like that's your plan. Good luck!

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on November 08, 2011
at 06:58 PM

Yes, I do have some processed food in the house because I have 3 kids under 5! I would love to convert them but none of the like meat and getting them to eat anything these days is a challenge!

Everyone has given me great suggestions. I am going to try and "eat all the meat" I want when I feel the urge coming on and see if that helps. I also LOVE sweet potatoes and will try to have some cooked ones in the fridge for emergencies or snacks. For some reason they are every filling to me.

Yes, I believe a lot of this has to do with calorie deprivation. I don't eat breakfast and eat an Atkins bar for lunch, and then a meat and veg for dinner. For the day, I average about 900 cals. I think if I focus more on nutrition and eat until full instead of calories and weight loss it might help. I am going to try this for the next few weeks and see how it goes! Thanks everyone!

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on November 08, 2011
at 07:33 PM

Good for you! One potential issue is that when you eat the meat it may take your body a little while to realize it got what it needed so your appetite; take a little break with your kids before eating the other paleo foods and see if that helps. BTW, I don't believe 900 calories is enough for you no matter what you eat!

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on November 08, 2011
at 07:32 PM

Good for you! One potential issue is that when you eat the meat it may take your body a little while to realize it got what it needed so your appetite; take a little break with your kids before eating the other paleo foods and see if that helps.

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on November 08, 2011
at 09:10 PM

I agree, hon -- I think, at least in part, you're driven to binge because you are starving. If you have kids under 5, you might want to think about taking advantage of these years and getting rid of all the food that they shouldn't be eating anyway -- yes, I know they'll gripe, mope, threaten to starve themselves, throw tantrums... in the end, though, you're the Momma, and I know you want to give them the best chance of a healthy life that you possibly can. Trust me -- when they get hungry, they'll eat. (And it won't hurt them to have egg yolks and berries and sweet potatoes and heavy cream.

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on November 09, 2011
at 03:23 PM

There's a lot that is paleo that isn't meat! Your kids will benefit from not eating processed foods - and they're at the perfect age to break the habit. What about full fat yogurt, fruits, carrots, applesauce, stuff like that? there's no reason to put crap in their mouths if you can avoid it. Just sayin'

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on November 10, 2011
at 12:39 AM

When I accidentally was eating 900 cals a day I collapsed on the sidewalk (ketosis-induced appetite suppression on Atkins - was shocked when I put what I was eating into Fitday and saw how little I was eating). Put more food in you! You're starving!

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on November 10, 2011
at 12:53 AM

I would also suggest trying to incorporate lots of nutrient-dense fat sources, especially animal sources. I try and get either pastured egg yolks or liver (via braunschweiger) every day. I've recently started including shellfish (particularly mussels and oysters). My other faves are grass-fed butter and very dark chocolate.

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on November 11, 2011
at 08:27 AM

Will your kids eat meatballs? Hamburgers with smiley faces made with peppers and olives? Have fun with food!

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on November 08, 2011
at 04:23 PM

If you've been trying paleo for a year, you must have deep and sincere interest in the lifestyle so place your trust in that and keep trying things. I hit some real bumps in August and I think most of us have or will, so you have lots of good company.

The only thing that has worked for me is to start my day with meat and fat. If I eat carbs, or if I try to restrict my portion size, it always leads to trouble later. Once I've eaten the meat, and it can even be at the end of the first meal, then it's safe for me to eat veggies and/or fruit.

Consider eating your favorite paleo meats and other foods for a few days to maximize satisfaction. If convenient, get away from your kitchen after you eat--take a walk, do an errand, etc., to give your body time to settle down after the meal. Consider varying your foods in a few days if the urges settle down, but still start with meat and fat.

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on November 08, 2011
at 01:22 PM

If you've been doing Paleo for about a year, why do you even have bread in your house? It sounds like you need to clean out your pantry of potential binge foods and not restrict yourself so much on your Paleo "diet". If you feel restricted on a daily basis then its only a matter of time before you binge and if those other foods are readily accessible to you then their only going to make it easier for you to gorge yourself.

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on November 08, 2011
at 12:55 PM

I don't think paleo itself causes binging. Are you getting enough to eat when not binging? If you are drastically reducing your calories to lose weight, binging can occur because your body needs food. Also, are you getting enough fat? Fat is very satiating for many people and can reduce cravings for other foods. Are you eating healthy carbs? If you are VLC, you might feel better on a more moderate carb diet that includes things like sweet potatoes, winter squash, fruit, etc. Are you under a lot of stress? Stress can cause cravings for sweet, processed carb-y foods. Finally, is there any way you could get all the processed carb foods out of your house? You will probably be less likely to give into temptation if you have to drive somewhere to get some bread first, instead of just grabbing it out of the cupboard.

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on November 09, 2011
at 10:44 PM

I know this may be a very Paleo-esque solution but anytime you get a food craving try downing some psyllium husk with 20 oz of cold water and chase it with a tablespoon of almond butter.

That will suppress the cravings and hunger of even the most deranged binger.

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on November 08, 2011
at 05:18 PM

ditching all the garbage out of the house is a good advice. But there are other ways. RULES. Once you have -rules- is up to you to follow them. Then, is not a matter of willpower anymore, no ambiguity. ej I live with people that eat all kind of garbage all day long. in completely immune to this. why? i don't eat garbage. Thats one of my rules. (is up to you to define what garbage is) So my advice to you is this. First forget about "losing weight" Focus on finding nutrient dense foods ( meat, yolks, dairy or starches ) FOCUS on your SATIETY. Eat if you are hungry. Then stop. Eventually that will lead to health, satisfaction and HAPPINESS. (and in your case control)

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