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How to ease pain and discomfort after a binge?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 07, 2012 at 6:22 PM

I had a binge on "paleo-acceptable" foods (depending on who you ask about what's acceptable), so I'm not in a sugar/gluten high-and-crash situation, but nevertheless the physical discomfort is pretty bad (thankfully, no mental turmoil as with SAD foods).

I had loads of beef, chicken, coconut oil, coconut oil mixed with cocoa powder mixed with desiccated coconut mixed with almond butter mixed with whole yogurt, bag of pine nuts, 1/2 jar almond butter with an avocado and blueberries, salmon, several blocks of cheese, and I'm not sure if I'm missing anything out. I'm pretty sure it's added up to more than 5000 kcal (I'm a short girl, shouldn't be eating more than 2000)

Unfortunately I struggle with binge eating and was hoping the paleo lifestyle would help me beat it. I admit that these foods have less of a "more-ish" factor than grains, but then overdoing them hurts more as they feel heavier in the stomach!

I feel like I am about to give birth to a massive cement brick or something, it is not pleasant. Any tips on how to ease the pain? I'm trying to sip on some grean tea now...

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

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on March 30, 2012
at 09:18 AM

That sounds really interesting. I'll have to look into it:)

1dcfcebc5f36408d121f124a78292d42

(1295)

on March 28, 2012
at 12:09 AM

+1 for leaky lavabutt

8c8e71eb729c0edb4786c6f3ba8614e4

(568)

on January 09, 2012
at 03:11 PM

Yeah feeling better now, thanks! Still not 100%, but I guess I'm used to that, being a regular binger and all..

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 08, 2012
at 04:35 PM

Let's see, we're at about 25 hours now. How are you? I'm hoping you're fine. If you're still sore, you may have strained something and that may take a few days to repair. Just take it easy on your gut for a while, okay?

8c8e71eb729c0edb4786c6f3ba8614e4

(568)

on January 08, 2012
at 11:24 AM

ugh, 20 hours and still uncomfortable :(

1321554fbe74ad09e97c6e8c354021cc

(524)

on January 08, 2012
at 09:06 AM

Not to sound like a party pooper, but I have tried this ginger tea before and it just added to my discomfort. So don't feel bad if it doesn't work for you.

Cf4576cbcc44fc7f2294135609bce9e5

(3125)

on January 08, 2012
at 08:00 AM

i agree,living food is the best nutrition. it has all the unknowns in it that have yet to be discovered to be life giving. im not waiting on the future. I cant, i live in the here and now.

Bfddc0ab925c8ea0e0c2e87198514907

on January 08, 2012
at 05:00 AM

These artificial foods certainly have a greater chance of clogging up your system

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 08, 2012
at 02:36 AM

Yeah, the LAST thing you need is for baking soda to foam up from acid in the stomach. That could actually be life-threatening.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 08, 2012
at 02:35 AM

Well, not great that you were still uncomfortable but great that the pain was gone. Sheesh, I have to shake my head at myself sometimes.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 08, 2012
at 02:34 AM

@Pching, hey no eyes rolling here. Been there, done that--even left work early to go home and binge. Anyhow, if ribeyes aren't yummy for you they definitely won't do. Try to find a filling, healthy food that you can eat at the first "warning tingle" of an approaching binge and you may find it dulls it just enough for you to ignore or distract.

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on January 08, 2012
at 02:23 AM

I don't think the "culprit" is necessarily any one food in particular - it's the volume of food in a binge which is so taxing to the digestive system. There is such as a thing as too much of a good thing.

E167c0387a5f0b87bb1f2c3e6aec73a8

(1240)

on January 08, 2012
at 02:06 AM

drink ginger tea ! lol guys so sad

8c8e71eb729c0edb4786c6f3ba8614e4

(568)

on January 07, 2012
at 10:17 PM

No worries ! :)

8c8e71eb729c0edb4786c6f3ba8614e4

(568)

on January 07, 2012
at 10:16 PM

just read it, thanks. It's very interesting stuff. Hopefully I will be able to actually apply it.

8c8e71eb729c0edb4786c6f3ba8614e4

(568)

on January 07, 2012
at 10:15 PM

I'm not sure if fatty meat would be a good "cure" in my case. For one thing, I'm really not a fan of it (I can feel the eyes rolling at me already), which might in fact make me want what I *really* want even more. Unless it's a hunger thing.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 07, 2012
at 09:53 PM

I'm finally doing better with that too. At a recent buffet trip, junk foods registered on the same level as plaster figurines and all I "saw" were the healthy choices.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 07, 2012
at 09:52 PM

@Mashanshell, absolutely! I think we have to learn to diagnose whether what we're feeling is physical hunger or emotional hunger. If physical, feed it; if emotional, distract it.

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

(3717)

on January 07, 2012
at 09:50 PM

Yep. If that trigger food is sitting there, an extra helping of ribeye is a very nice "cure."

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 07, 2012
at 09:50 PM

That's great! I recently read up on digestion times. Meat had a typical time of 4-5 hrs and other food types were less.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 07, 2012
at 09:50 PM

Hey, sorry! I thought I re-did that to he/she. Must be a different one. Anyhow, glad to know it's she and I hope I remember. I am old, you know.

8c8e71eb729c0edb4786c6f3ba8614e4

(568)

on January 07, 2012
at 09:18 PM

it usually takes longer than that to recover! I think it's been about 4-5 hours now and while it's not painful anymore, I am still uncomfortably full and bloated.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 07, 2012
at 08:32 PM

I would recommend against any baking soda, it might put too much pressure on a too full stomach.

421492f8989c426af583520a3d5fd136

(522)

on January 07, 2012
at 08:19 PM

I agree Pching - I've been Paleo for almost a year now and every time that I think I'm in 'control' of my bingeing, it rears it's ugly head again. I mentioned my bingeing issues to a counsellor and she made a fantastic suggestion which really helped me. She said that if you begin to binge, to think of a young person or child that you really love (maybe a younger sibling/cousin/niece/nephew), and then ask yourself if you would feed them all of the food that you are about to eat if you knew that they would feel really unwell after. The answer will be 'No'. Sometimes it comes down to self-love!

8c8e71eb729c0edb4786c6f3ba8614e4

(568)

on January 07, 2012
at 08:08 PM

yeah, it's definetely an out of control problem rather than a "oh hey, I think I'll binge today!" choice.

421492f8989c426af583520a3d5fd136

(522)

on January 07, 2012
at 08:03 PM

@loilo - Binge eating is a serious issue and if this is something that you have never experienced/had to deal with, then I really do not think that you are in the position to give such advice as you have done above. For people who binge or have been binge-eaters in the past, the urge to binge is usually out of their control, until they address the issue and try to come up with ways and means of combatting these urges and learning to have a 'normal' relationship with food. I have struggled with binge-eating for years so I know how torturous an issue it can be.

8c8e71eb729c0edb4786c6f3ba8614e4

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on January 07, 2012
at 07:43 PM

I prefer "she", Nance :P

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 07, 2012
at 07:42 PM

Sarcasm isn't really helpful here. He/she knows what he/sh's doing; it's a matter of learning what particular response will help him/her stop.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 07, 2012
at 07:41 PM

Sarcasm isn't really helpful here. He knows what he's doing; it's a matter of learning what particular response will help him stop.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 07, 2012
at 07:28 PM

Good advice. I like to make pre-emptive strikes with fatty meat if I feel any risk of binge fever (my term.)

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 07, 2012
at 07:27 PM

Actually, depending on just how distended his stomach is and if he has a hiatal hernia walking might stress his chest/belly a lot. IMO he should walk only if it seems to make him feel better.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 07, 2012
at 06:56 PM

If it takes more than 5-7 hours for digestion to proceed and your stomach stays full and uncomfortable, you may not have enough acid/bile to handle all the food you ate.

8c8e71eb729c0edb4786c6f3ba8614e4

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on January 07, 2012
at 06:49 PM

I think it feels better in fetal position. Everything feels better in fetal position! With a few pillows of course. How do I know if stomach acid or bile salts are insufficient?

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on January 07, 2012
at 06:38 PM

Ginger tea, it's anti-inflammatory in the gut off the hizzle. Works like a charm for shizzle.

1321554fbe74ad09e97c6e8c354021cc

(524)

on January 08, 2012
at 09:06 AM

Not to sound like a party pooper, but I have tried this ginger tea before and it just added to my discomfort. So don't feel bad if it doesn't work for you.

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246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

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on January 08, 2012
at 03:00 PM

Fasting after a binge is about the only way I've been able to deal with it.

I used to take large amounts of fiber after a non-paleo binge that also had probiotics in it (Psyllium w/Acidophilus) and it seemed to help... but fasting for 24hr seemed to rectify it even better.

Breaking fasts with just meat prevents binging, and the upset stomach/GI (as long as you don't eat heavily salted/seasoned meat, I found that out the hard way breaking a 2-day IF with a pound of brisket from a BBQ joint).

Next time I might experiment with a little kimchi on the side, as it has helped my gut in the past. Just don't use the spicy stuff, because if it fails to fix the gut problems, fire in equals fire out... the only thing worse than leaky gut is leaky lavabutt.

1dcfcebc5f36408d121f124a78292d42

(1295)

on March 28, 2012
at 12:09 AM

+1 for leaky lavabutt

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 07, 2012
at 06:42 PM

Hi, Pching! The good news is that this discomfort is primarily from your distended stomach--and if you happen to have a hiatal hernia, the discomfort is probably sharper as some of the food you ate is blocked from entering the main body of the stomach AND the herniated part of the stomach is probably squeezing the other occupants of your chest cavity.

Try different positions--is it better if you lean forward? Get on all fours and either rock forward or back?

Within a few hours, it should definitely start to feel better as the food breaks down and hopefully is released from the stomach into the small intestine.

If your stomach acid or bile salts could be insufficient, taking either or both of those by mouth could hasten your relief a little but, as meret said, you'll probably find it takes a little while to ease the blockage.

With luck, this won't hurt all the way through or cause systemic symptoms. However, if your pain gets worse and worse edging on unbearable head for the ER.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 07, 2012
at 09:50 PM

That's great! I recently read up on digestion times. Meat had a typical time of 4-5 hrs and other food types were less.

8c8e71eb729c0edb4786c6f3ba8614e4

(568)

on January 07, 2012
at 06:49 PM

I think it feels better in fetal position. Everything feels better in fetal position! With a few pillows of course. How do I know if stomach acid or bile salts are insufficient?

8c8e71eb729c0edb4786c6f3ba8614e4

(568)

on January 07, 2012
at 09:18 PM

it usually takes longer than that to recover! I think it's been about 4-5 hours now and while it's not painful anymore, I am still uncomfortably full and bloated.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 08, 2012
at 02:35 AM

Well, not great that you were still uncomfortable but great that the pain was gone. Sheesh, I have to shake my head at myself sometimes.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 07, 2012
at 06:56 PM

If it takes more than 5-7 hours for digestion to proceed and your stomach stays full and uncomfortable, you may not have enough acid/bile to handle all the food you ate.

8c8e71eb729c0edb4786c6f3ba8614e4

(568)

on January 08, 2012
at 11:24 AM

ugh, 20 hours and still uncomfortable :(

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724ba4f39f7bbea7f74b45c0a79615f2

on January 08, 2012
at 12:50 PM

Make sure you're drinking enough water, even though I know you already feel full. Don't drink water to bursting, but sip it constantly. All that nut butter really is essentially a brick right now, so you want to water it down some.

Also, just as a comfort, here's an answer I wrote to someone else's question in which I discuss some of my old binges which look EXACTLY like yours (nut butter mixed with paleo "flour" mixed with yogurt, which I describe as noxious, because it totally is). http://paleohacks.com/questions/83644/any-good-books-tips-on-binge-emotional-bored-over-eating/83724#83724

I overcame my bingeing too. Everyone has different experiences and advice, so I'll let you hunt around PH yourself or pose the question before offering advice. But you can totally beat this.

2
E48146ad243fab742e69d10b633e05d6

on January 08, 2012
at 02:01 AM

I can totally relate, binge eating is real and very difficult to control. Be strong. Digestive enzymes come in handy for me, especially for the discomfort.

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Bfddc0ab925c8ea0e0c2e87198514907

on January 07, 2012
at 07:26 PM

Beef, chicken, pine nuts, avocado and blueberries all could have quite reasonably been eaten by a caveman, so I'd put my money on none of those being the main culprits.

Coconut oil, cocoa powder, dessicated coconut, almond butter and yogurt are all processed foods, one way or another, and while they may have health benefits individually, in moderation, they are substances I would advise caution with.

Also, whilst the whole "eat high fibre foods, like grains" stuff is clearly a load of crap, a couple of carrots or salad leaves would probably help your digestive system out!

Our closest animal relative, the chimpanzee, eats loads of leaves and plenty of root vegetables. I imagine my digestive system to not be too far away from his overall, so I make sure I eat those things too.

Remember that a caveman was first of all a wholefoods junkie!

Bfddc0ab925c8ea0e0c2e87198514907

on January 08, 2012
at 05:00 AM

These artificial foods certainly have a greater chance of clogging up your system

Cf4576cbcc44fc7f2294135609bce9e5

(3125)

on January 08, 2012
at 08:00 AM

i agree,living food is the best nutrition. it has all the unknowns in it that have yet to be discovered to be life giving. im not waiting on the future. I cant, i live in the here and now.

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on January 08, 2012
at 02:23 AM

I don't think the "culprit" is necessarily any one food in particular - it's the volume of food in a binge which is so taxing to the digestive system. There is such as a thing as too much of a good thing.

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072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

(3717)

on January 07, 2012
at 07:23 PM

Laying down if you are in a place to do so. A nap. A good long slow walk. The bottom line is that your body just needs some time. You might consider some ACV with warm water and sip it slowly.

As concerning and uncomfortable your current situation is, you know you will want to address the binge eating at some point. I've binged too in my pre-Paleo days and have knocked down a fair amount of calories at one time eating Paleo foods. In either situation, you need to find out what your trigger foods are. For many, it is the nuts and nut butters. Coconut oil and chocolate combined is also a pretty decadent combo. Once you identify what your triggers are, then you should determine how best to address the triggers (eg never having the foods; having them in small portions on a regular basis; etc). Paleo has allowed me to avoid binge eating because the foods are so filling. Be sure and eat enough of your "meal" and that way you won't have the room for the trigger foods.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 07, 2012
at 07:28 PM

Good advice. I like to make pre-emptive strikes with fatty meat if I feel any risk of binge fever (my term.)

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 08, 2012
at 02:34 AM

@Pching, hey no eyes rolling here. Been there, done that--even left work early to go home and binge. Anyhow, if ribeyes aren't yummy for you they definitely won't do. Try to find a filling, healthy food that you can eat at the first "warning tingle" of an approaching binge and you may find it dulls it just enough for you to ignore or distract.

8c8e71eb729c0edb4786c6f3ba8614e4

(568)

on January 07, 2012
at 10:15 PM

I'm not sure if fatty meat would be a good "cure" in my case. For one thing, I'm really not a fan of it (I can feel the eyes rolling at me already), which might in fact make me want what I *really* want even more. Unless it's a hunger thing.

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

(3717)

on January 07, 2012
at 09:50 PM

Yep. If that trigger food is sitting there, an extra helping of ribeye is a very nice "cure."

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7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on January 07, 2012
at 06:38 PM

I ate too big a meal after my first longer IF--ugh. I would not drink a lot of liquid so your digestion can get to work. I also like a 1/2 teaspoon baking soda in a little warm water.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 08, 2012
at 02:36 AM

Yeah, the LAST thing you need is for baking soda to foam up from acid in the stomach. That could actually be life-threatening.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 07, 2012
at 08:32 PM

I would recommend against any baking soda, it might put too much pressure on a too full stomach.

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4d6aa1a676240b15dc569ff8ade0500f

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on January 07, 2012
at 06:23 PM

i'm sorry to say there's probably not much to do except for wait it out. a walk might help though!

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2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

on March 27, 2012
at 11:27 PM

ah i do the same thing...between last night and this morning i ate two sticks of butter, the meat of one whole mature coconut and a lot of roasted pumpkin seeds after having eaten plenty of food for the day. now just walking and waiting and really really trying not to do the same thing all over again. it is much different then prepaleo, but certainly not any better because the habit is still the same

i think that being sure to properly fuel ones self during the day is necessary, this means not only with food, but with friends, hobbies, distractions and patients of all sorts. if you have emotional support just call someone when the urge hits and say "duuuuuuh......" just to save you those few precious seconds where you kind of almost have the will to change your mind...work on that constantly and your will should start growing.

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Cf4576cbcc44fc7f2294135609bce9e5

on January 08, 2012
at 07:53 AM

oh man i have a solution for everybody, just take a few grams of vitamine C and lots of water. relief in hours. its harmless. and may even be healthy.

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F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

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on January 08, 2012
at 02:26 AM

If you want to encourage that cement brick along, I find hanging out in the squat position for like a half an hour and drinking hot water with lemon can help move things along.

Good luck, hope you feel better soon. And don't forget to forgive yourself - your colon is already taking a beating, don't need to punish yourself any more!

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 07, 2012
at 08:49 PM

Over at gettingstronger.org Todd Becker has a previous post called "overcoming addiction" and he explains ways of learning "cue exposure therapy". I have used it to get relief from having any reaction to seeing or smelling certain foods. I felt very empowered when I read about it and gave it a try.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 07, 2012
at 09:53 PM

I'm finally doing better with that too. At a recent buffet trip, junk foods registered on the same level as plaster figurines and all I "saw" were the healthy choices.

8c8e71eb729c0edb4786c6f3ba8614e4

(568)

on January 07, 2012
at 10:16 PM

just read it, thanks. It's very interesting stuff. Hopefully I will be able to actually apply it.

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

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on March 30, 2012
at 09:18 AM

That sounds really interesting. I'll have to look into it:)

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on January 07, 2012
at 07:14 PM

I agree with meret's advice. It would be a good time for a "constitutional" walk. In fact, I pretty sure it is the best thing you can do right now ;-)

8c8e71eb729c0edb4786c6f3ba8614e4

(568)

on January 07, 2012
at 10:17 PM

No worries ! :)

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 07, 2012
at 07:27 PM

Actually, depending on just how distended his stomach is and if he has a hiatal hernia walking might stress his chest/belly a lot. IMO he should walk only if it seems to make him feel better.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 07, 2012
at 09:50 PM

Hey, sorry! I thought I re-did that to he/she. Must be a different one. Anyhow, glad to know it's she and I hope I remember. I am old, you know.

8c8e71eb729c0edb4786c6f3ba8614e4

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on January 07, 2012
at 07:43 PM

I prefer "she", Nance :P

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on January 07, 2012
at 06:55 PM

Pretty much all about the position, hands and knees and letting the stomach hang is usually the only relief I can find for that sort of thing. There's a window as well where a brisk walk in fresh air helps get things moving.

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E167c0387a5f0b87bb1f2c3e6aec73a8

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on January 07, 2012
at 07:38 PM

Get fat and then use this experience as a reminder. Or get back to SAD and grains and keep doing the same. Or even better binge again and then purge. If i where you i would stop eating for a bit and then i would think really really hard about this: why do i need to eat so much? find the answer then act.

8c8e71eb729c0edb4786c6f3ba8614e4

(568)

on January 07, 2012
at 08:08 PM

yeah, it's definetely an out of control problem rather than a "oh hey, I think I'll binge today!" choice.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 07, 2012
at 07:42 PM

Sarcasm isn't really helpful here. He/she knows what he/sh's doing; it's a matter of learning what particular response will help him/her stop.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 07, 2012
at 09:52 PM

@Mashanshell, absolutely! I think we have to learn to diagnose whether what we're feeling is physical hunger or emotional hunger. If physical, feed it; if emotional, distract it.

421492f8989c426af583520a3d5fd136

(522)

on January 07, 2012
at 08:03 PM

@loilo - Binge eating is a serious issue and if this is something that you have never experienced/had to deal with, then I really do not think that you are in the position to give such advice as you have done above. For people who binge or have been binge-eaters in the past, the urge to binge is usually out of their control, until they address the issue and try to come up with ways and means of combatting these urges and learning to have a 'normal' relationship with food. I have struggled with binge-eating for years so I know how torturous an issue it can be.

E167c0387a5f0b87bb1f2c3e6aec73a8

(1240)

on January 08, 2012
at 02:06 AM

drink ginger tea ! lol guys so sad

421492f8989c426af583520a3d5fd136

(522)

on January 07, 2012
at 08:19 PM

I agree Pching - I've been Paleo for almost a year now and every time that I think I'm in 'control' of my bingeing, it rears it's ugly head again. I mentioned my bingeing issues to a counsellor and she made a fantastic suggestion which really helped me. She said that if you begin to binge, to think of a young person or child that you really love (maybe a younger sibling/cousin/niece/nephew), and then ask yourself if you would feed them all of the food that you are about to eat if you knew that they would feel really unwell after. The answer will be 'No'. Sometimes it comes down to self-love!

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 07, 2012
at 07:41 PM

Sarcasm isn't really helpful here. He knows what he's doing; it's a matter of learning what particular response will help him stop.

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