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Is eating up to 80% of your total calories from fat bad?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 24, 2013 at 5:48 AM

I struggle with BED, and realize when i eat up to 80% of my calories from fat, (avocado, raw nuts, some butter, maybe 20grams of carbs, and sometimes no protein from meat but just from the nuts) that I do not struggle with my BED really and come in at a perfect 1400 calories-ish most of the time. Strange, but something I have noticed. I realize that nuts are not an ideal fat source, so I am going to try to get fat through bulletproof coffee again. Eating this much fat has been the only thing that's helped me with this binge eating disorder though. Is this unhealthy? Or has anyone experienced this ? :/

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on March 25, 2013
at 03:24 AM

but its probably been one of the hardest things ive ever done so far.. and i guess im still going too :) But its def possible, just take it slow and steady! :)

81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

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on March 25, 2013
at 03:23 AM

while, finding some other hobbies for myself and as-well as this experimenting with paleo. I did not stop binging straight away and I have gained a-lot of weight, which im obveously not that happy about. But it's started coming off slowly now and I feel 100% more healthy than a few years back.... I guess I just wanted to let you know this, because I know have BED, bulima etc is actually one of the hardest things to go through and it can be really hard recovery and you will have things that set you back at times and I know people expect that it would be easy to recover e.g just eat more etc...

81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

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on March 25, 2013
at 03:17 AM

Seriously, don't worry about the weight gain. I'm just going to tell you straight, its going to happen while you recover. I know this is not going to be the 'popular' method for recovery, but I actually really recomend that you stop focusing on weight so much and really get out there and enjoy other things in your life, if you are doing that then your weight will kinda fall into place, eventually. My mum always enforces this on me if I ever talk about weight loss and besides the whole 30 it has been another thing that really helped me. I ended up changing degrees, quitting the gym for a ...

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 24, 2013
at 03:42 PM

its okay thank you Huaizhou

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 24, 2013
at 03:41 PM

hmm okay :/ thanks dragonfly

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on March 24, 2013
at 03:40 PM

thank you so much Varelse. I will look into REBT?

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on March 24, 2013
at 02:47 PM

I don't think I can add any real advice to the great answers below - but I do want to reiterate that you should not be embarrassed. Eating disorders are a problem for a lot of women, and you should be proud that you recognize it in yourself and want to stop. Do whatever it takes to get to the underlying problem (REBT is a great tool for that!) but in the meantime, if a high-fat diet helps alleviate the symptoms, you may want to try it. Just keep tabs on your health, and if you can, your lipids to make sure you're not hurting yourself in other ways while you fix this problem.

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on March 24, 2013
at 01:20 PM

Gut healing takes time, Amber. A quick fix like a kefir fast won't be enough. Check out the GAPS diet for some ideas.

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on March 24, 2013
at 07:19 AM

@Wakaanai, considering what you said about my gut being damaged, what is your take on me possibly doing an all kefir fast for a little while? Letting the kefir "heal" my gut, might solve this problem yes? I was just thinking about the benefits of kefir on an empty stomach, and if I did this for a whole, maybe my stomach would heal whatever damage in there? I dunno, just a thought.

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on March 24, 2013
at 06:52 AM

Thank you Michael. The way you expressed everything in your comments was so kind and helpful. I really appreciate your encouraging tone and words. I will try to breathe and explore my behavioral patterns more. Thank you

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on March 24, 2013
at 06:49 AM

Hi Sarah, thanks for this. It's been going on for probably 6 months now with binges almost daily for about 2 of those months.... (very rarely did it ever happen prior to that when I was vlc... maybe once every 3 months, and it was binges on nuts/meat usually. It recently turned ugly after trying to reintroduce carbs) I will look into whole30. I definitely do keep binging/restricting... so *sigh* I will try to break that. Thank you for encouragement that you have gotten better. I have gained so much weight recently that I am actually scared/feel so out of control and just want this to stop.

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 24, 2013
at 06:48 AM

Hi Sarah, thanks for this. It's been going on for probably 6 months now with binges almost daily for about 2 of those months.... (very rarely did it ever happen prior to that when I was vlc... maybe once every 3 months, and it was binges on nuts/meat usually. It recently turned ugly after trying to reintroduce carbs) I will look into whole30. I definitely do keep binging/restricting... so sigh I will try to break that. Thank you for encouragement that you have gotten better. I have gained so much weight recently that I am actually scared/feel so out of control and just want this to stop.

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on March 24, 2013
at 06:45 AM

binge, be aware, focus on your breathing (check out meditation, Eastern philosophy in general!). Why? How do you feel? Above all be kind and patient to yourself. Over time you might recognise signs and trigger poitns/emotions, thought pattern 'loops' that you have. Learning to breathe and 'watch them go by (they don't define 'you' anyway) in the long term will be helpful. Be patient, I daresay you are capable ;)

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 24, 2013
at 06:44 AM

Hi Sarah, thanks for this. It's been going on for probably 6 months now (very rarely did it ever happen prior to that... maybe once every 3 months but recently turned ugly after being low carb for so long and then reintroducing carbs) with binges almost daily for about 2 of those months.... I will look into whole30. I definitely do keep binging/restricting... so *sigh* I will try to break that. Thank you for encouragement that you have gotten better. I have gained so much weight that I am actually scared b/c of how out of control I feel and just want this to stop.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on March 24, 2013
at 06:38 AM

Don't be embarrassed. Talking, exploring these things arguably helps... In the meantime I will say some things that from my general expericne be helpful... BED is a label, it does not define you, and nor do your thoughts. Ask yourself - what goes on in your head before or during a binge? How do you feel? Why not try to come at the 'disorder' in your life by exploring the emotional, lifestyle side of things? Writing down these things might help. A way to combat embarrassment/shame is to explore the basis for it, talk about it, understand the (potential) whys and hows of things. When you

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on March 24, 2013
at 06:30 AM

@Travis: Different people have different patterns of health issues, and these lead to variances that may from a single perspective seem very confusing. Most people wouldn't be able to binge on steak, this is true, but there do seem to be certain health issues that cause a minority of people to differ strongly from the norm, and make such behavior expected

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on March 24, 2013
at 06:29 AM

*it IS definitely the latter

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on March 24, 2013
at 06:28 AM

wow thank you for your very detailed response Wakaanai. You are right, it definitely is the latter. I have binged on meat, eggs, and rice many times. I have tried probiotics from jarrow, and even bought kefir milk grains, but it was so nasty, I couldn't get myself to drink it everyday... but maybe I should, I never really paid attention to it's effect on my eating habits on the days i ate it (only drank the kefir a few days). I really am trying everything, and I appreciate your support, I will look into gaps and all of that. thanks xo

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on March 24, 2013
at 06:23 AM

Crazy...I think without the bulkiness, I would eat about 1000 calories extra per day at least doing that.

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on March 24, 2013
at 06:06 AM

fat is actually more satiating for many people than protein, so I guess for me, that's why

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on March 24, 2013
at 06:03 AM

I don't get it...how could you eat less of the most concentrated source of energy than something with the greatest satiety?

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 24, 2013
at 06:03 AM

Hi Michael, thanks for this :/ I have talked to my parents about it a little, but I don't think the know the extent of my stuggles. I'm trying to read up on self help books. I didn't realize I had BED until today actually.. I was researching the subject, and I have a check on every symptom basically (eating in private, obsessing over food etc). I really don't want to have to fight this for the rest of my life and was just hoping high fat would help. I've tried every macro-nutrient tweak known to man. I feel it's too embarrassing to share with anyone in detail

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on March 24, 2013
at 06:00 AM

I can definitely overeat steak.

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on March 24, 2013
at 05:54 AM

I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't base a diet around steak. Can't really overeat it...too filling.

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on March 24, 2013
at 05:53 AM

I believe Jimmy Moore eats like that now and has one of the worst lipid panels I have ever seen. It used to be more or less normal.

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Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

on March 24, 2013
at 05:57 AM

You might be missing a lot of micronutrients, particularly vit c, b vitamins, as well as iron etc from the meat. If it's seemingly helping you in the short term, that's great. Longer term I think it would be helpful in you looking at the whys and hows of the disordered eating patterns/thought processes etc.

Have you considered talking to a counsellor about potentially underlying emotional issues that might affect you? Often there are issues underpinning these things. Drinking a lot of butter might help you 'prevent' a binge in the short term but if you're not aware of what might impel you to binge etc/potentially broader issues, it is 'papering over the cracks'.

I encourage you to talk to someone, and keep on keeping on. You seem to have posted a lot about these sort of things over time and it might be time, if you haven't already, to consider talking to someone..

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 24, 2013
at 06:52 AM

Thank you Michael. The way you expressed everything in your comments was so kind and helpful. I really appreciate your encouraging tone and words. I will try to breathe and explore my behavioral patterns more. Thank you

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on March 24, 2013
at 06:38 AM

Don't be embarrassed. Talking, exploring these things arguably helps... In the meantime I will say some things that from my general expericne be helpful... BED is a label, it does not define you, and nor do your thoughts. Ask yourself - what goes on in your head before or during a binge? How do you feel? Why not try to come at the 'disorder' in your life by exploring the emotional, lifestyle side of things? Writing down these things might help. A way to combat embarrassment/shame is to explore the basis for it, talk about it, understand the (potential) whys and hows of things. When you

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on March 24, 2013
at 06:45 AM

binge, be aware, focus on your breathing (check out meditation, Eastern philosophy in general!). Why? How do you feel? Above all be kind and patient to yourself. Over time you might recognise signs and trigger poitns/emotions, thought pattern 'loops' that you have. Learning to breathe and 'watch them go by (they don't define 'you' anyway) in the long term will be helpful. Be patient, I daresay you are capable ;)

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

(753)

on March 24, 2013
at 06:03 AM

Hi Michael, thanks for this :/ I have talked to my parents about it a little, but I don't think the know the extent of my stuggles. I'm trying to read up on self help books. I didn't realize I had BED until today actually.. I was researching the subject, and I have a check on every symptom basically (eating in private, obsessing over food etc). I really don't want to have to fight this for the rest of my life and was just hoping high fat would help. I've tried every macro-nutrient tweak known to man. I feel it's too embarrassing to share with anyone in detail

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on March 24, 2013
at 09:53 PM

I understand your struggles. I am new to this way of eating and struggle with ED as well. I've found hope in OA and people that understand what you are really trying to "feed" when we binge. I don't know, but it's worked for me.

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on March 24, 2013
at 06:20 AM

My theory is that anyone with the propensity to binge on proper traditional food is very likely to have some sort of nutrient malabsorption issue related to gut health etc. Plenty of people binge on junk food because of cognitive issues (e.g., indulging in a bunch of ice cream is for many a quick but short-lived fix for loneliness or depression). But people who binge on proper traditional food, such as steak or eggs or rice--these are prime candidates for GAPS-style digestive issues.

I assume your issue is the latter--binging even if it's proper paleo food. If that's the case, as I suspect it is, then this would explain why you've found an eating routine of 80% fat to curb your binge tendencies. Many people seem to report this. But I suspect it's a stopgap measure: It may curb your binge tendencies, but it doesn't solve the underlying issue. And it's a dangerous stopgap measure at that, as you're being forced to depart extremely heavily from what virtually everyone would suggest. Virtually any normal person would think you're insane if you described your diet.

My suggestion is to look into GAPS-style protocols for healing gut damage, and tread very carefully with your new protocol. If the alternative is to binge out of control, and the only way to keep yourself sane is to eat this 80%-fat diet, then by all means use it as a temporary measure. But know that the fact that this protocol works for this purpose suggests very strongly that you have some sort of serious underlying issue with your body's ability to properly absorb nutrients.

Stopgap measures are often useful, but only to buy yourself time while you come up with the real solution. I suspect the real solution will lie in GAPS-style protocols, including probiotics, fermented food, avoidance of environmental antibiotic contaminants (e.g., chlorinated water, factory-farmed meat, oral antibiotics), avoidance of gut-damaging foods (unfermented grains, especially wheat), highly nutrient-dense foods (liver, cod liver oil, etc), and anything that would increase your body's ability to heal damage or detox (sleep, moderate exercise, sauna, etc).

Think about it this way. If your issue was easy to solve, you'd have solved in long ago, and how to solve it would be common knowledge. This will be a long journey. Just do everything and anything to get healthy. I've read some of your posts, and you seem like the sort of person who takes a proactive approach, and will be able to solve problems where many others have simply given up. Whether or not I was able to be of help here, I just want to say good luck! You're not alone in your struggles.

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on March 24, 2013
at 01:20 PM

Gut healing takes time, Amber. A quick fix like a kefir fast won't be enough. Check out the GAPS diet for some ideas.

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 24, 2013
at 06:28 AM

wow thank you for your very detailed response Wakaanai. You are right, it definitely is the latter. I have binged on meat, eggs, and rice many times. I have tried probiotics from jarrow, and even bought kefir milk grains, but it was so nasty, I couldn't get myself to drink it everyday... but maybe I should, I never really paid attention to it's effect on my eating habits on the days i ate it (only drank the kefir a few days). I really am trying everything, and I appreciate your support, I will look into gaps and all of that. thanks xo

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 24, 2013
at 07:19 AM

@Wakaanai, considering what you said about my gut being damaged, what is your take on me possibly doing an all kefir fast for a little while? Letting the kefir "heal" my gut, might solve this problem yes? I was just thinking about the benefits of kefir on an empty stomach, and if I did this for a whole, maybe my stomach would heal whatever damage in there? I dunno, just a thought.

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 24, 2013
at 03:41 PM

hmm okay :/ thanks dragonfly

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

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on March 24, 2013
at 06:29 AM

*it IS definitely the latter

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on March 24, 2013
at 08:49 AM

However, the question is, do you actually gain unwanted or unnecessary weight if you binge? Or do you notice other health problems if you binge?

One theory in the paleo/low carb camp has always been your body is less likely to store the extra calories if you don't have elevated insulin levels. Why do you have to keep your daily caloric intake at 1400?

While binge eating is a disorder, but if the only thing you experience are not that negative, for example, guilt, or slower weight loss, I would say worry less about binge and worry more about getting essential micro-nutrients.

EDIT: saw that you are gaining weight in a previous post. While I would still argue about getting essential nutrients first (which may help with binge too), I can't really help with the other parts...sorry.

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on March 24, 2013
at 03:42 PM

its okay thank you Huaizhou

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81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

on March 24, 2013
at 06:26 AM

I don't know how long your BED has been going on for , but I have struggled with binge eating/restircting/bulimia etc and I can definetly relate to what you are saying, about fat keeping you more satisfied.

It kind of sounds like you are looking for a way to instantly end your BED. In my opinion,I don't think BED(or any disordered eating habit) is something that just stops when you start eating a certain way. For me, going paleo and cutting out sugar has helped alot, but it has been a long term thing.

See I used to binge almost daily, then it turned to weekly, then monthly now hardly ever, but I still do have slip ups. And it has been over a year since I started eating paleo.

If you are looking for something that could help you, I highly reccomend trying out a "Whole30"... if you google whole9 you will find the website. This has probably been one of the tools that helped me the most with my eating.

Also (and I don't know if this relates to you or not) if you are binging and restricting you need to break this cycle and I am not saying that as soon as you break this cycle that you will stop binge eating, but one things for certain, you will never stop if you continue to restrict/purge after a binge.

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

(753)

on March 24, 2013
at 06:49 AM

Hi Sarah, thanks for this. It's been going on for probably 6 months now with binges almost daily for about 2 of those months.... (very rarely did it ever happen prior to that when I was vlc... maybe once every 3 months, and it was binges on nuts/meat usually. It recently turned ugly after trying to reintroduce carbs) I will look into whole30. I definitely do keep binging/restricting... so *sigh* I will try to break that. Thank you for encouragement that you have gotten better. I have gained so much weight recently that I am actually scared/feel so out of control and just want this to stop.

81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

(638)

on March 25, 2013
at 03:23 AM

while, finding some other hobbies for myself and as-well as this experimenting with paleo. I did not stop binging straight away and I have gained a-lot of weight, which im obveously not that happy about. But it's started coming off slowly now and I feel 100% more healthy than a few years back.... I guess I just wanted to let you know this, because I know have BED, bulima etc is actually one of the hardest things to go through and it can be really hard recovery and you will have things that set you back at times and I know people expect that it would be easy to recover e.g just eat more etc...

81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

(638)

on March 25, 2013
at 03:17 AM

Seriously, don't worry about the weight gain. I'm just going to tell you straight, its going to happen while you recover. I know this is not going to be the 'popular' method for recovery, but I actually really recomend that you stop focusing on weight so much and really get out there and enjoy other things in your life, if you are doing that then your weight will kinda fall into place, eventually. My mum always enforces this on me if I ever talk about weight loss and besides the whole 30 it has been another thing that really helped me. I ended up changing degrees, quitting the gym for a ...

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

(753)

on March 24, 2013
at 06:44 AM

Hi Sarah, thanks for this. It's been going on for probably 6 months now (very rarely did it ever happen prior to that... maybe once every 3 months but recently turned ugly after being low carb for so long and then reintroducing carbs) with binges almost daily for about 2 of those months.... I will look into whole30. I definitely do keep binging/restricting... so *sigh* I will try to break that. Thank you for encouragement that you have gotten better. I have gained so much weight that I am actually scared b/c of how out of control I feel and just want this to stop.

81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

(638)

on March 25, 2013
at 03:24 AM

but its probably been one of the hardest things ive ever done so far.. and i guess im still going too :) But its def possible, just take it slow and steady! :)

C23148e16a4dd05351d1902a69097d65

(753)

on March 24, 2013
at 06:48 AM

Hi Sarah, thanks for this. It's been going on for probably 6 months now with binges almost daily for about 2 of those months.... (very rarely did it ever happen prior to that when I was vlc... maybe once every 3 months, and it was binges on nuts/meat usually. It recently turned ugly after trying to reintroduce carbs) I will look into whole30. I definitely do keep binging/restricting... so sigh I will try to break that. Thank you for encouragement that you have gotten better. I have gained so much weight recently that I am actually scared/feel so out of control and just want this to stop.

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