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The Biggest Loser goes Paleo.

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Created May 19, 2011 at 7:14 PM

I hate this show but I am thrilled to see that two contestants,Courtney Crozier and Irene Alvarado, are living and training at a facility in Orange county and being fed a PALEO diet. They actually used the word "paleo" in the press release. I'm still in shock. Quote from the trainer, "This is not your typical low-fat, low-calorie diet for weight loss; this is the opposite" I'm actually going to watch the finale on May 24 to see if this gets any mention. I hope so! Can this do anything but help our cause? Will you tune in?

Biggest Losers do an "About Face" in Preparation for the Finale

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 11, 2012
at 11:33 AM

Yep 200 pounds of dehydration and pissing blood.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on August 12, 2011
at 01:35 AM

Huh? It seems like here, your cousins go straight for the pizza boxes, just like us.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on May 19, 2011
at 10:41 PM

They were just trying to teach him nutrition. That's what raccoons are for, although nobody seems to acknowledge it.

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on May 19, 2011
at 10:24 PM

I forgive your raccoon cousins for that time they surrounded our campsite and freaked out my husband and he locked the car keys in the trunk.

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on May 19, 2011
at 10:23 PM

So then we are discussing efficiency, aha! Perfect. I knew you'd give me a good answer!

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on May 19, 2011
at 10:18 PM

When you eat carbohydrate instead of fat "low fat diet" you raise insulin and insulin inhibits lipolysis until it goes down. When you eat more carbs you burn carbs while your insulin is higher and burn progressively more fats as your insulin goes down and you run out of carbs. You have a finite amount of mithochondria so no matter what you are putting in your mouth you will be burning an equal amount of fuel (not always true but generally true) no matter which it is. There is no advantage to a low fat diet because you are burning carbs where you would have burned fats if you were eating fats.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on May 19, 2011
at 10:14 PM

Okay I get what you mean. The problem is that it's a tautology - true by its definition and explaining nothing. "I want you to lose fat" = "I want you to catabolize your fat" they are the same thing and treating the later as elaborating on the former makes no sense. Also "diet" refers to what we put into our mouths. Metabolism refers to what we burn. Language on holiday! Hrmf. I'll stop being a pedant and answer the question in the next comment.

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on May 19, 2011
at 10:08 PM

well, yeah TBL diet recommendations are really unfortunate...

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on May 19, 2011
at 10:08 PM

Leptin resistance, insulin resistance, adrenal resistance, hypothyroidism, poor thyroid hormone signaling, and nutrient deficiency are problems related to metabolic output. Food addiction and stress-eating are problems realated input. There is no way that the sort of extreme starvation and overtrying advocated by The Biggest Loser resolves these. I suppose you could say that losing some body fat ameliorates some of them somewhat but the problems run deeper than that and thus we get plateaus and yo-yoing. A paleo diet done right seems like an ideal dietary solution and there are various

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on May 19, 2011
at 10:07 PM

he says "First of all, when I say that I want you to eat fat, the "you" is your cells. I want your cells to eat fat. If you have excess body fat, especially visceral fat, we want your cells to eat it. If they are allowed to eat your stored fat, you need not put so much fat in your mouth, but "you" are still eating a high-fat diet."

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on May 19, 2011
at 10:06 PM

Dr. Rosedale mentioned though that he wants you to be on a high fat diet but that he doesn't care if the fat is coming from inside your own body or from outside dietary sources. That's the part i was wondering about, cause what it would essentially say is that the biggest loser works because initially they're on a high fat diet (of their own bodyfat) then they run out of enough bodyfat and don't add it from outside and boom, weight gain begins again.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on May 19, 2011
at 10:03 PM

starve them and they will be pretty stressed and hungry but their will-power will let them keep doing it for a while. When you finally say "eat what you want" they are still metabolically that person with poor satiety signaling and a dysfunctional metabolism and all of the cortisol from starving and running themselves ragged has exacerbated the problem, although the fat they lost might have reduced it a bit. It is a metabolic clinician's job to understand the nuances of the pathology of obesity and how to fix them and Dr. K and Dr. Rosedale do this, whereas TBL do not and thus people yo-yo.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on May 19, 2011
at 09:59 PM

Nah I don't think a low fat diet has much to do it. It's all speculation, really. What Dr. Rosedale does works for his clients but it isn't always 100%$ clear what is responsible for it. If you'll recall, Dr. Rosedale uses a very high fat diet and keeps the weight off for good on a very high fat diet, so it's not low fat. What I am pretty sure about is that starvation and exercise produce short-term fat loss. But it doesn't really fix the underlying problems related to obesity and in some cases makes them worse so you get the yo-yo effect. Take the person who is always tired and hungry and...

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on May 19, 2011
at 09:45 PM

Whenever I watch the show I keep going back to the idea of limiting initial dietary fat (no b.s. like skim milk obviously, but maybe not as much fat as, say, i would eat in a day) as a potentially good idea when obesity is involved and gradually upping the dietary fat as there is less and less bodyfat for the body to eat up. This is based on that back and forth Dr. K and Dr. Rosedale had, where Dr. Rosedale suggests something like this. I wonder if that's why contestants do so well initially and then put the weight back on. I thought I'd ask u because u are a raccoon and raccoons are clever. ?

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on May 19, 2011
at 09:31 PM

i confess to also having been a long time watcher of the show and being fairly inspired by some of the journeys they portray. Obviously I don't go for their dietary ideas but I was surprised to hear Jillian Michaels supposedly saying that basically your body needs meat, and soy should be avoided. I'm also a fan of Irene the contestant, so I'm happy to hear someone is finally giving Paleo a shot. Low fat is totally unsustainable and I'd love to see that get out to a wider audience.

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on May 19, 2011
at 08:11 PM

And when you say "start talking about 'heart healthy foods'" you mean, when they do their in show ADVERTISEMENTS. I hate those too. I heard that sometimes the contestants spit out the food afterward.

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on May 19, 2011
at 08:06 PM

wow, thanks for sharing this info. I've still never watched the show but i got two friends that love it. They're overweight. I think this will go some way with them.

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on May 19, 2011
at 07:42 PM

You're welcome. I'm hoping she wins, I would love to see someone eating paleo win the biggest loser!

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on May 19, 2011
at 07:40 PM

I voted for Irene too!

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on May 19, 2011
at 07:33 PM

I voted for her!

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on May 19, 2011
at 07:32 PM

Added a link so people can vote for Irene if they see fit. Thanks for mentioning this Jake.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on May 19, 2011
at 07:29 PM

I voted. Hope others do too. If nothing else to pat her on the back for being willing to place her bet on Paleo. She's our people!

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on May 19, 2011
at 07:16 PM

Very cool, thanks for sharing this!

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F6ea948ab43dc51d72509c0989e670fe

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on May 19, 2011
at 07:26 PM

Well, if you'd like to see Irene actually be part of the finale, you might want to vote for her, seeing as how she's not part of the guaranteed final two. It's really a toss-up for who's going to be the third person, but after seeing that, I'm hoping she gets it.

I know that the Australian version of the show has been pushing a lower-carb version diet for a while, I was really hoping it might be this time seeing as how they had a couple new trainers. Sadly the only innovation I saw was HIIT, which was actually done quite well (well, at least for what they showed).

I'm not really a fan of the show, but it does impact a lot of what we (general american public) think of as weight loss, and a lot of people talk about it at work, so I think it's better to watch and be informed than anything else.

I, however, am very thankful for the dvr function on my cable box. There's a lot of boring or pointless stuff, and I've started cringing at any point where they start talking about "heart healthy foods" and such. Um, no. Please don't make me miserable (or worse, get all of the diseases I'm trying to avoid) by eating cheerios, running on a treadmill, or going on a starvation diet.

I know that Robb Wolf talks about Poliquin and biosignature a lot in his podcasts, so I think the results will be pretty impressive. I'm more curious to see how they're going to look compared to the rest of the competition...

2b4f887f5fd32a37c6038eb0aaaf3bf5

(1648)

on May 19, 2011
at 08:11 PM

And when you say "start talking about 'heart healthy foods'" you mean, when they do their in show ADVERTISEMENTS. I hate those too. I heard that sometimes the contestants spit out the food afterward.

F6ea948ab43dc51d72509c0989e670fe

(1639)

on May 19, 2011
at 07:42 PM

You're welcome. I'm hoping she wins, I would love to see someone eating paleo win the biggest loser!

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on May 19, 2011
at 07:29 PM

I voted. Hope others do too. If nothing else to pat her on the back for being willing to place her bet on Paleo. She's our people!

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on May 19, 2011
at 07:32 PM

Added a link so people can vote for Irene if they see fit. Thanks for mentioning this Jake.

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22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

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on May 19, 2011
at 08:44 PM

I will be the first to say that I am a fan of the show. Obviously I don't agree with the diet and I think the training is unrealistic to maintain, however, I think there are some good underlying messages. Regardless of how they do it, they are turning those peoples lives around and potentially saving there lives. They also seem to inspire others. All these things are very rare on television today. Of course in a perfect world you would have them diet on Paleo and training smartly, but then there wouldn't be the entertainment factor.

Anyway, I am glad to see that some of these contestants aren't following blindly and open to new and better ideas on how to not only lose weight but to maintain a healthy lifestyle.

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on May 19, 2011
at 09:31 PM

i confess to also having been a long time watcher of the show and being fairly inspired by some of the journeys they portray. Obviously I don't go for their dietary ideas but I was surprised to hear Jillian Michaels supposedly saying that basically your body needs meat, and soy should be avoided. I'm also a fan of Irene the contestant, so I'm happy to hear someone is finally giving Paleo a shot. Low fat is totally unsustainable and I'd love to see that get out to a wider audience.

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on May 19, 2011
at 08:05 PM

Great stuff. I never got the whole idea that "okay let's take someone who is in poor health with low energy, satiety issues and poor metabolic signaling and starve them/kick their asses until they're thin. That just breaks them. Cortisol is as big an issue as food and exercise. What these guys will do for her is improve her overall health so she can tap into that body fat better. When we have excessive chronic inflammation our leptin signaling goes out the window. When that happens we can't use our uncoupling proteins efficiently and when THAT happens we don't burn fat as efficiently. Paleo is my best guess for the best way to reduce that inflammation and get more of our fat-burning faculties into gear. It is also more satiating than other diets which means less food intake and less hunger pangs, meaning less stress and cortisol.

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(5136)

on May 19, 2011
at 10:08 PM

well, yeah TBL diet recommendations are really unfortunate...

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on May 19, 2011
at 09:59 PM

Nah I don't think a low fat diet has much to do it. It's all speculation, really. What Dr. Rosedale does works for his clients but it isn't always 100%$ clear what is responsible for it. If you'll recall, Dr. Rosedale uses a very high fat diet and keeps the weight off for good on a very high fat diet, so it's not low fat. What I am pretty sure about is that starvation and exercise produce short-term fat loss. But it doesn't really fix the underlying problems related to obesity and in some cases makes them worse so you get the yo-yo effect. Take the person who is always tired and hungry and...

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 19, 2011
at 10:07 PM

he says "First of all, when I say that I want you to eat fat, the "you" is your cells. I want your cells to eat fat. If you have excess body fat, especially visceral fat, we want your cells to eat it. If they are allowed to eat your stored fat, you need not put so much fat in your mouth, but "you" are still eating a high-fat diet."

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on May 19, 2011
at 10:18 PM

When you eat carbohydrate instead of fat "low fat diet" you raise insulin and insulin inhibits lipolysis until it goes down. When you eat more carbs you burn carbs while your insulin is higher and burn progressively more fats as your insulin goes down and you run out of carbs. You have a finite amount of mithochondria so no matter what you are putting in your mouth you will be burning an equal amount of fuel (not always true but generally true) no matter which it is. There is no advantage to a low fat diet because you are burning carbs where you would have burned fats if you were eating fats.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on May 19, 2011
at 10:41 PM

They were just trying to teach him nutrition. That's what raccoons are for, although nobody seems to acknowledge it.

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 19, 2011
at 10:24 PM

I forgive your raccoon cousins for that time they surrounded our campsite and freaked out my husband and he locked the car keys in the trunk.

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 19, 2011
at 10:06 PM

Dr. Rosedale mentioned though that he wants you to be on a high fat diet but that he doesn't care if the fat is coming from inside your own body or from outside dietary sources. That's the part i was wondering about, cause what it would essentially say is that the biggest loser works because initially they're on a high fat diet (of their own bodyfat) then they run out of enough bodyfat and don't add it from outside and boom, weight gain begins again.

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 19, 2011
at 09:45 PM

Whenever I watch the show I keep going back to the idea of limiting initial dietary fat (no b.s. like skim milk obviously, but maybe not as much fat as, say, i would eat in a day) as a potentially good idea when obesity is involved and gradually upping the dietary fat as there is less and less bodyfat for the body to eat up. This is based on that back and forth Dr. K and Dr. Rosedale had, where Dr. Rosedale suggests something like this. I wonder if that's why contestants do so well initially and then put the weight back on. I thought I'd ask u because u are a raccoon and raccoons are clever. ?

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on May 19, 2011
at 10:08 PM

Leptin resistance, insulin resistance, adrenal resistance, hypothyroidism, poor thyroid hormone signaling, and nutrient deficiency are problems related to metabolic output. Food addiction and stress-eating are problems realated input. There is no way that the sort of extreme starvation and overtrying advocated by The Biggest Loser resolves these. I suppose you could say that losing some body fat ameliorates some of them somewhat but the problems run deeper than that and thus we get plateaus and yo-yoing. A paleo diet done right seems like an ideal dietary solution and there are various

Medium avatar

(5136)

on May 19, 2011
at 10:23 PM

So then we are discussing efficiency, aha! Perfect. I knew you'd give me a good answer!

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on May 19, 2011
at 10:14 PM

Okay I get what you mean. The problem is that it's a tautology - true by its definition and explaining nothing. "I want you to lose fat" = "I want you to catabolize your fat" they are the same thing and treating the later as elaborating on the former makes no sense. Also "diet" refers to what we put into our mouths. Metabolism refers to what we burn. Language on holiday! Hrmf. I'll stop being a pedant and answer the question in the next comment.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on May 19, 2011
at 10:03 PM

starve them and they will be pretty stressed and hungry but their will-power will let them keep doing it for a while. When you finally say "eat what you want" they are still metabolically that person with poor satiety signaling and a dysfunctional metabolism and all of the cortisol from starving and running themselves ragged has exacerbated the problem, although the fat they lost might have reduced it a bit. It is a metabolic clinician's job to understand the nuances of the pathology of obesity and how to fix them and Dr. K and Dr. Rosedale do this, whereas TBL do not and thus people yo-yo.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on August 12, 2011
at 01:35 AM

Huh? It seems like here, your cousins go straight for the pizza boxes, just like us.

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on October 11, 2012
at 05:22 AM

Is dehydrating yourself until you piss blood Paleo?

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 11, 2012
at 11:33 AM

Yep 200 pounds of dehydration and pissing blood.

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