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Healthier Beef: Wendy's vs. McDonalds?

Answered on October 13, 2013
Created September 30, 2013 at 6:00 PM

From a hormone/antibiotic/pink slime perspective, what beef is healthier: Wendy's or McDonalds? (here in the USA)

I think I heard some time back that McDonalds has ditched "Pink Slime", but I'll confess I don't recall the specifics.

Wendy's boasts 'never-frozen' but I don't think that contributes to quality. In fact, I wonder if FROZEN beef is better?

Let's assume just the beef patty's , so no need to go off on gluten buns, etc.

Thanks,

Mike

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on October 13, 2013
at 10:34 PM

I have more confidence in a McDonalds hamburger (that it contains what it says, and doesn't what it doesn't), than generic supermarket ground beef that's un-branded. BTW, why are you so up on CAFO hard boiled eggs? And, is that any better than CAFO pork, or CAFO chicken? Or, are you just hating on cows?

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on October 13, 2013
at 03:19 PM

This is exactly what i said, then followed up with some proper research about the sources of the "beef" as well as explaining how companies do not have to divulge the existence of pink slime in their products since they can say it is "100% beef", by USDA standards pink slime is and can be referred to as beef. OP does not really want an answer he wants to hear that McDonald's or Wendy's is ok to eat, he needs to be reassured it seems like. The answer as we know and I have also stated is to find an alternative (ex: 7 eleven hard boiled eggs)

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on October 13, 2013
at 03:08 PM

Not to mention that grass-fed beef is inferior in flavor to grain-fed beef. Only wack-a-doo paleos like it.

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on October 13, 2013
at 03:02 PM

Totally serious and legit question. I was hoping for maybe someone who dug into this already to perhaps say that one uses pink slime, and the other doesn't. Or, maybe one uses hormones, and one not. As to "very bad", is it any better than buying ground beef at the supermarket? Not everyone eats fancy grass fed beef ALL THE TIME! Don't be an elitist :-)

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on October 01, 2013
at 06:56 PM

100% agree with this post. Freezing can kill some, but in no way is it a safe method as the bugs are evolutionary geniuses and know how to stay alive, just like cockroaches.

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on October 01, 2013
at 06:47 PM

WOAH WOAH WOAH! LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT FREEZING BACTERIA DOES NOT KILL IT. Parasites are different then bacteria, just like your different then a dog, bacteria can go into spore form and survive freezing temps, why do you think they FREEZEDRY probiotics. You are so wrong on that one and I hope no one gets hurt by listening to you.

I can't post links but google "Food temperature danger zone"

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on October 01, 2013
at 11:14 AM

an addendum to some cafo comments below...McD also use "...a small percentage of grass-fed beef is imported from Australia and New Zealand" source: food_quality/see_what_we_are_made_of/your_questions_answered/meats

Australian TV a few weeks back had some blurb on exporting Australian beef to McD in the US

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

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on October 01, 2013
at 10:01 AM

1. If both are cafo, the short answer is that it's a tie in that regard.

2. There's probably less cross contamination than a regular restaurant.

3. If mcdonalds says they stopped using pink slime, I would believe that.

Stop hate n on fast food.

I was really looking to see if maybe one was pink slime and one not.

I do appreciate your passion for food quality though.

Thanks for taking the time to share your view

Mike

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on October 01, 2013
at 03:20 AM

They have specialized grills for burgers, that is all they cook on them. Apparently the grill doesn't release the burgers until temperature is reached. I doubt they have cross contamination unless you are talking about a random incident. The Canola crap blend is used for deep frying. McD's is a tightly run kitchen very synchronized to produce what they do on time, clean and exactly the same as the time before.

Highly efficient mass produced and generally not that good for you.

46f7fc24a213b038ab3f0a97c73a5441

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on October 01, 2013
at 03:12 AM

1. We know standard practices used in CAFOs include antibiotics and hormones.

2. I mentioned that they claim not to cook their burgers in oil, but we also have to consider cross contamination, what else is cooked on the same surface. The oil they do use on everything else is a canola/soy blend so you should take that into consideration.

3. Pink slime is considered 100% beef so I posited the question of whether we can assume that fast food restaurants that claim to use 100% beef can use it and state their product is 100% beef, unknown but highly likely.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

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on October 01, 2013
at 02:53 AM

1. No one disputed it is cafo.

2. They don't cook the burgers in oil.

3. Your link merely describes pink slime, it doesn't say they use it.

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on October 01, 2013
at 01:36 AM

Don't make me downvote you. :P

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on October 01, 2013
at 01:00 AM

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Food/GuidanceRegulation/UCM252393.pdf --

Are parasites different than bacteria in terms of killing? Are fish different than beef?

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on October 01, 2013
at 12:32 AM

@RuizG : McDonalds does NOT fry their beef in soy or peanut or any kind of oil. Nor does Burger King - every see one of their flame broiled commercials? So, the basis for your down-vote is invalid. If you would like to up-vote the question, I'd certainly appreciate it. And besides: that would be like down-voting a question about what's better: pastured chicken or CAFO chicken, because you think everyone should eat grass fed beef. Try to reserve down-votes for spammers and bad people. I'm neither (just ask my mom!)

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on September 30, 2013
at 11:02 PM

not correct literally or even in essense!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on September 30, 2013
at 10:49 PM

Downvotes work however you want them to. And when you're like me and have 40K+ points, that's a lot of downvotes I can dole out. :)

7904c7276d7e48f1be887fabd263bfd9

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on September 30, 2013
at 10:28 PM

dont think thats how downvotes work

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

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on September 30, 2013
at 10:13 PM

I never heard that freezing KILLS bacteria. I thought it just put it in suspended animation.

46f7fc24a213b038ab3f0a97c73a5441

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on September 30, 2013
at 09:25 PM

My vote is because mcdonalds and wendys should not be a viable alternative when many places including 7 eleven sell fruit and cooked eggs. meat sold at stores even if not grassfed is still better because everything at fast food joints is cooked in soybean or peanut oil. mcdonald's and wendy's probabaly get their meat from the same factory

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on September 30, 2013
at 09:19 PM

Wendys claims they don't use ammonium hydroxide. http://wqscc.com/news/2012/03/28/wendy-s-serves-only-100-pure-beef

I still don't eat it.

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on September 30, 2013
at 09:10 PM

don't slump to their level @CaveMan_Mike. I got you back up.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

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on September 30, 2013
at 08:49 PM

Why the down-vote @RuizG? Lots of people here don't eat only grass fed beef. Lots of people here don't eat 100% of meals at home. Lots of people travel and might need some quick protein. If it's 100% beef (which I haven't fully investigated), then what's the difference if you ate that vs. buying 100% ground beef from the supermarket that's not grass fed.

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on September 30, 2013
at 06:14 PM

The same corn fed beef would be my guess based upon what each company says. McD's has far greater buying power and control, that doesn't really mean much from our Paleo perspective however. The fresh vs frozen doesn't mean much IMO.

btw - I don't eat either, I gave up fast food a long time ago. If I was going for fast food I'd go to Burgerville in the Pac North West as they are using local sourced higher quality ingredients in general. Maybe you have similar options wherever you are.

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on October 13, 2013
at 11:39 PM

@CaveMan_Mike The difference is that you do trust these companies while simply wouldn't put anything past them. I was only reiterating an earlier point but since I need to justify the recommendation I will. I mentioned the eggs because in a pinch they are already poached. Poaching only requires water no oil or additives. Meanwhile with the fast food ground beef it has all the trappings of being CAFO AND also we are uncertain what percentage is pink slime. Depending on which chain you choose they might also use an additional oil, yes you mention McD's does not but they may be the exception not the stnd.

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on October 13, 2013
at 02:45 PM

Come on, is this question serious. It will not really make a difference, they are both very bad.

If this is like a cheat meal then go for the one you prefer and enjoy it.

If you are trying to find a faster food source look harder.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

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on October 13, 2013
at 03:02 PM

Totally serious and legit question. I was hoping for maybe someone who dug into this already to perhaps say that one uses pink slime, and the other doesn't. Or, maybe one uses hormones, and one not. As to "very bad", is it any better than buying ground beef at the supermarket? Not everyone eats fancy grass fed beef ALL THE TIME! Don't be an elitist :-)

46f7fc24a213b038ab3f0a97c73a5441

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on October 13, 2013
at 03:19 PM

This is exactly what i said, then followed up with some proper research about the sources of the "beef" as well as explaining how companies do not have to divulge the existence of pink slime in their products since they can say it is "100% beef", by USDA standards pink slime is and can be referred to as beef. OP does not really want an answer he wants to hear that McDonald's or Wendy's is ok to eat, he needs to be reassured it seems like. The answer as we know and I have also stated is to find an alternative (ex: 7 eleven hard boiled eggs)

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46f7fc24a213b038ab3f0a97c73a5441

on October 01, 2013
at 01:53 AM

here is one of mcdonald's suppliers, a smaller operation that they promote on their website http://www.blackgoldranchandfeedlot.com/CUSTOM_FEEDING.html as you can see its a small family owned CAFO. they also admit to using canola oil blends, the blend is soybean oilhttp://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/food/food_quality/see_what_we_are_made_of/your_questions_answered/canola_blend_oil.html they claim not to use oil on their burgers and they also claim the patty is 100% CAFO beef so if you believe that then there is your answer

technically though pink slime is considered 100%beef

under "Is LFTB regulated and inspected" they reiterate it is considered 100%beefhttp://www.beefisbeef.com/faq-3/ draw your own conclusions

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

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on October 01, 2013
at 02:53 AM

1. No one disputed it is cafo.

2. They don't cook the burgers in oil.

3. Your link merely describes pink slime, it doesn't say they use it.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

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on October 01, 2013
at 10:01 AM

1. If both are cafo, the short answer is that it's a tie in that regard.

2. There's probably less cross contamination than a regular restaurant.

3. If mcdonalds says they stopped using pink slime, I would believe that.

Stop hate n on fast food.

I was really looking to see if maybe one was pink slime and one not.

I do appreciate your passion for food quality though.

Thanks for taking the time to share your view

Mike

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7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

on September 30, 2013
at 09:07 PM

Why the down-vote @RuizG? Lots of people here don't eat only grass fed beef. Lots of people here don't eat 100% of meals at home. Lots of people travel and might need some quick protein. If it's 100% beef (which I haven't fully investigated), then what's the difference if you ate that vs. buying 100% ground beef from the supermarket that's not grass fed. If, however, someone happens to know that one uses pink slime, and one doesn't that's the type of answer I was hoping for.

I assure you I'm not a "troll". I have a reputation of 5,000+. You have a reputation of 50+

Mike

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on September 30, 2013
at 09:10 PM

don't slump to their level @CaveMan_Mike. I got you back up.

46f7fc24a213b038ab3f0a97c73a5441

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on September 30, 2013
at 09:25 PM

My vote is because mcdonalds and wendys should not be a viable alternative when many places including 7 eleven sell fruit and cooked eggs. meat sold at stores even if not grassfed is still better because everything at fast food joints is cooked in soybean or peanut oil. mcdonald's and wendy's probabaly get their meat from the same factory

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on September 30, 2013
at 08:56 PM

I think both companies quit using the "pink slime" and are using actual beef now. But both use ammonium hydroxide (as far as I know) which kills the bacteria (although freezing for 7+ days would do the same) so they need to add flavor back into them. Both are probably equally bad, but in a pinch I'd go with McDonalds because I prefer their coffee and iced tea.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

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on September 30, 2013
at 10:13 PM

I never heard that freezing KILLS bacteria. I thought it just put it in suspended animation.

A5127d60bca783084f191f38ffa357a6

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on October 01, 2013
at 06:47 PM

WOAH WOAH WOAH! LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT FREEZING BACTERIA DOES NOT KILL IT. Parasites are different then bacteria, just like your different then a dog, bacteria can go into spore form and survive freezing temps, why do you think they FREEZEDRY probiotics. You are so wrong on that one and I hope no one gets hurt by listening to you.

I can't post links but google "Food temperature danger zone"

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on September 30, 2013
at 09:19 PM

Wendys claims they don't use ammonium hydroxide. http://wqscc.com/news/2012/03/28/wendy-s-serves-only-100-pure-beef

I still don't eat it.

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on September 30, 2013
at 08:48 PM

Pretty sure they're both equally packed with left over lips and @ssholes :P

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46f7fc24a213b038ab3f0a97c73a5441

on September 30, 2013
at 08:20 PM

The troll is strong in this one.

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