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Better no meat at all than lower quality meat?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 29, 2011 at 3:59 AM

I recall there being a question about this, but I can't seem to locate it. Anyway, there have been a lot of studies recently claiming "red meat causes X", and people typically like to refute it with "grassfed beef is different." However, I'm currently a college student and I'm pretty sure Aramark (the company in charge of the dining halls) ain't buying grassfed beef for the meals. Yet they have a monopoly on university dining, and most dorms have no kitchens. Do you think it's better to skip the meat when it's lower quality (especially red meat), or do you think the benefits outweigh the negatives?

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on August 29, 2011
at 09:03 PM

I like this idea! I will definitely look into it....

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on August 29, 2011
at 07:15 PM

Some times we all make this more difficult than it needs to be. :)

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on August 29, 2011
at 04:43 PM

I do agree with the sentiment that conventional meat is second only to grassfed.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on August 29, 2011
at 04:28 PM

That's because he made them up!

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on August 29, 2011
at 03:06 PM

But, like the others, I agree -- you do the best you can with what you have available, and don't make yourself feel guilty for not being able to do better.

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on August 29, 2011
at 01:07 PM

This is such a great answer. I caught myself doing this with my kids -- skipping buying veggies because I couldn't buy organic. Now I focus on avoiding the Dirty Dozen and otherwise do the best I can. I'm relearning that on Paleo.

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on August 29, 2011
at 12:52 PM

Thank You SherpaMelissa!

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on August 29, 2011
at 12:35 PM

Nice and concise. Perfect.

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on August 29, 2011
at 12:10 PM

Thanks for posting the lexicon. I need to bookmark it to remember these acronyms, some of which I'm seeing for the first time.

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on August 29, 2011
at 05:25 AM

I believe this is Robb Wolf's hippy excuse for failure #1

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on August 29, 2011
at 04:04 AM

When the meat quality is low.. Eat lean meats and supplement with fat from other sources.

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on August 29, 2011
at 07:15 PM

Some times we all make this more difficult than it needs to be. :)

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

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on August 29, 2011
at 12:52 PM

Thank You SherpaMelissa!

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on August 29, 2011
at 12:35 PM

Nice and concise. Perfect.

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on August 29, 2011
at 04:20 AM

Kurt Harris @ Archevore has an interesting take on this: here

Here is a snippet--

A New fat Taxonomy

LCSFA - long chain saturated fatty acids - best

Monunsaturates - Oleic acid from animal fats and olive oil - good

n-6 PUFA - Technically essential but in huge excess due to technology - bad

n-3 PUFA - necessary to balance excess n-6 but otherwise bad - contextual

MCT - Medium chain saturated fats - good in reasonable amounts

NTF - Natural trans fats like vaccenic and rumenic acid - good

ATF - Artificial trans fats like Elaidic acid -not found in nature - bad

The preceding would be the chemically based, "nutritionist" taxonomy. But we can construct a real-food based taxonomy by recombining the nutritionist elements into a 6 part scheme like this...

GRAF

Grass finished ruminant animal fats. LCSFA and Mono in roughly equal amounts. Same small amounts of n-6 as IRAF, but more n-3 to balance. More NTF. Best.

IRAF

Industrial grain-fed ruminant animal fats - LCSFA and Monounsaturates in roughly equal amounts with smaller amounts of PUFA - may be deficient in n-3 PUFA. Has less NTF. good

NRAF

Non-ruminant animal fat. Highly variable. Has LCSFA but may be very high in n-6 and if grain fed poor in n-3. More sensitive to diet of the animal than IRAF or GRAF. fair if pastured but poor otherwise. Think factory chicken.

TemPO

Temperate plant oils. Artificially abundant due to technology. excess n-6, effectively no n- 3. Some MUFA. Little LCSFA bad

TroPO

Tropical Plant Oils. Coconut and Palm oils. Good source of MCT and/or LCSFA - lower in n-6 and n-3. These are also made available by processing technology, but their content is better than TemPO. Good.

FF

Frankenfats. TemPO chemically modified by hydrogenation. Very bad - avoid completely.

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on August 29, 2011
at 12:10 PM

Thanks for posting the lexicon. I need to bookmark it to remember these acronyms, some of which I'm seeing for the first time.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on August 29, 2011
at 04:28 PM

That's because he made them up!

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on August 29, 2011
at 04:43 PM

I do agree with the sentiment that conventional meat is second only to grassfed.

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on August 29, 2011
at 05:27 AM

Robb Wolf says:

"Consider the following: Hippy Excuse for Failure #1: ???I can???t always find grassfed meat, so I???ll eat a bagel!???

Hippy Excuse for Failure #2 ???I can???t Always find organic/local vegetables, so I???ll eat a bagel!???

NO! We do the best we can, where we are, with what we have. Nicki and I lived on less than I did in grad school for 2 years getting the gym going. I bought bulk meat, bulk olive oil and tons of onions and cabbage because they were CHEAP. In a scenario like this I could make the argument for a 50lb bag of rice get some cheap/decent carbs If you are training. buy a can of fish oil to round things out???you are good to go.

Here are the things to get from all this: 1-You will NEVER see affordable, locally produced food if we do not push that agenda. 2-In the interim, you can do very well, on very cheap.

I???m helping some folks locally who are on disability and a fixed income of less than $8k/year to make smart choices in all this. they are looking, feeling and performing better (both have wicked autoimmune issues which are rapidly resolving) and it is cheaper than the wonder bread and other foods they were eating before.

HANG in there!! You have community here, but you just need to take care of yourself and family, and make it all work for YOU."

60c285ff1dff1ea5af6a5820aa5320cf

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on August 29, 2011
at 01:07 PM

This is such a great answer. I caught myself doing this with my kids -- skipping buying veggies because I couldn't buy organic. Now I focus on avoiding the Dirty Dozen and otherwise do the best I can. I'm relearning that on Paleo.

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on August 29, 2011
at 11:56 AM

people typically like to refute it with "grassfed beef is different."

The other half of how they refute it is "and those studies typically have people (or mice) eating the equivalent of a Standard American Diet - loads of carbs along with lower quality meats".
A study can include a traditional, commercially processed hamburger (complete with giant multi-grain hamburger bun) and call it a meal of red meat. Not the same as grass-fed beef, but also not the same as "standard" beef either. Eating fresh lean cuts of standard beef is better than eating a processed hambuger.
Do the best you can with what you have available.

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on August 29, 2011
at 08:57 AM

being a poor student, my staple is cheap australian ground-meat of "mixed" variety (i humbly hope that there is (at least) not much rodent meat in it), but i believe it is better than "no meat" - and i can always detox by doing a water fast

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on August 29, 2011
at 05:33 AM

I can source good meats about once or twice a month so i just go with some local small fish. You just have to source it nearly everyday. But its cheap.

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on August 29, 2011
at 04:10 AM

I agree with Eric. Toxins such as antibiotics and such tend to get stored in the fat. Since these toxins get stored in fat, if you buy conventional meat then you'd want to opt for the leaner cuts. For the fat I'd opt for coconut oil, olive oil, avocado, macadamia nut oil, etc.

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on August 29, 2011
at 03:05 PM

Can you have a crockpot in your dorm room? I've talked to many people who are in college who opt out of the dining plan altogether and just get a mini fridge and cook huge batches of paleo foods in a crockpot in their room.

A programmable one would be best if you're gone from your room a lot.

89197024575a78deb22abe3434259fdc

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on August 29, 2011
at 03:06 PM

But, like the others, I agree -- you do the best you can with what you have available, and don't make yourself feel guilty for not being able to do better.

776cf39df980711e80fc02317eb64649

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on August 29, 2011
at 09:03 PM

I like this idea! I will definitely look into it....

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on August 29, 2011
at 04:16 AM

I generally opt for chicken when the quality/source of meat is unknown since it's so lean.

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