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[meta] Why doesn't PaleoHacks change the avatar host away from Gravatar?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 16, 2012 at 12:07 AM

Currently Paleohacks requires it's users to use Gravatar to have an avatar on paleohacks. I would love to change my PH avatar photo, but I don't want to relinquish my rights to my own photos. Here is an excerpt from their terms of use policy:

"By Submitting User Submissions, you acknowledge that you are publishing that User Submission, and that you may be identified publicly by your avatar and other User Submissions (e.g., in connection with your blogs, comments and/or email address) by Automattic, third party Gravatar-enabled websites (as that term in defined below), and others. More specifically, you hereby do and shall grant to Automattic a worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free and fully-paid, transferable (including rights to sublicense) right to perform the Services (e.g., to use, modify, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, perform, and otherwise fully exercise and exploit all intellectual property, publicity, and moral rights with respect to any User Submissions, and to allow others to do so)"

This means that they have the right to make money off of your photos and that you no longer own the copyright to your own photo. Pretty lame, and definitely not very paleo. Needless to say, I won't be naively submitting any more photos to them.

C56baa1b4f39839c018180bf63226f7d

(3499)

on April 07, 2013
at 08:56 PM

The legalese agrees with you, AxialGentleman. Asker is reading it wrong.

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

(11214)

on April 05, 2013
at 08:48 PM

But as Dr. Kruse can testify, false pictures will out you in the end.

800e726cb5dff569fd8edf604c3e2793

(1655)

on April 05, 2013
at 04:16 PM

...[makes note to himself to put up a picture of SI swimsuit model as the avatar]... :-D

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on April 05, 2013
at 04:09 PM

yes! I must say someone's advice does mean more to me when I see a picture of a healthy, vibrant person next to it.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on April 05, 2013
at 03:42 PM

Good point. Just give us a list of acceptable hosts.

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

(372)

on May 17, 2012
at 02:14 PM

It is probably because they don't want to host images, as that takes up bandwidth and that costs more money :D

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3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

(372)

on May 16, 2012
at 12:10 AM

I just don't like an external provider but I agree. It's kind of shitty.

Then again, don't upload your pictures if you don't want them owning them. Same deal with facebook.

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72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on April 07, 2013
at 06:41 PM

I understand if you don't want Gravatar redistributing your photos, but this doesn't sound like you're relinquishing your rights or losing copyright. You are giving Gravatar a license to sell or redistribute your photos, or to transfer or sell the right to do so, but you're not giving up any freedom to do that yourself. There's also nothing in there about giving up copyright. It sounds similar to the relationship between an independent author and a publishing company. The publishing company has a license to print and sell the author's books, but the author still retains copyright.

C56baa1b4f39839c018180bf63226f7d

(3499)

on April 07, 2013
at 08:56 PM

The legalese agrees with you, AxialGentleman. Asker is reading it wrong.

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800e726cb5dff569fd8edf604c3e2793

on April 05, 2013
at 03:27 PM

Why do we need to have a specific provider for avatars anyway?

Just allow me to provide an URL for a small square .jpg somewhere on the 'net and we're done. Paleohacks might not want to store the avatar files itself, but I don't see why it can't accept user-hosted images.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on April 05, 2013
at 03:42 PM

Good point. Just give us a list of acceptable hosts.

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C68f0b374156e5ce7a9b8358232bfed0

on April 07, 2013
at 08:40 PM

Because, as with everything, outsourcing is easier. I am sure Paleohacks would love to allow the freedom of choice regarding photos but unfortunately, again as with everything, the idiotic few ruin it for the sensible majority. The idiotic few will be tempted into choosing distasteful (at best) photos and it would take a large amount of resources to prevent and protect users from these people. I don't know about the source of paleohacks but I pretty much am certain it is voluntary; ordinary people just don't have the time or indeed the desire to permanently monitor profile pics.

Relinquishing responsibility is the easiest option.

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7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on April 05, 2013
at 03:51 PM

I'd like this too. I am ambivalent about putting pictures up in general, and the two times I was about to put something up here, gravatar's rigmarole put me off of it. I don't know that I'd put pictures up at all, except we get a little tiny bit of verification that we aren't all three hundred pounders making stuff up.

800e726cb5dff569fd8edf604c3e2793

(1655)

on April 05, 2013
at 04:16 PM

...[makes note to himself to put up a picture of SI swimsuit model as the avatar]... :-D

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

(11214)

on April 05, 2013
at 08:48 PM

But as Dr. Kruse can testify, false pictures will out you in the end.

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on April 05, 2013
at 04:09 PM

yes! I must say someone's advice does mean more to me when I see a picture of a healthy, vibrant person next to it.

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on April 05, 2013
at 01:00 PM

Yes I agree with this. Images should be hosted on paleohacks.

Note: gravatar now requires wordpress account to log in. How bloody annoying.

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0e395acc856e3353f3f5892e6b09b0e7

(1227)

on May 16, 2012
at 12:18 PM

I agree. Please, Patrick, or some other Paleo Hack Higher Being. Answer why we can't have a simple Avatar here. Thank you.

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

(372)

on May 17, 2012
at 02:14 PM

It is probably because they don't want to host images, as that takes up bandwidth and that costs more money :D

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