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Any evidence for decrease in homosexual desire?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created February 17, 2012 at 11:49 PM

This is speculative, but I want to see if there is any evidence that a paleo diet has decreased same sex attraction.

Greg Cochran, who co-authored the book "The 10,000 Year Explosion: How Civilization Accelerated Human Evolution", put up a blog post hypothesizing that a pathogen causes homosexuality. Here: http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/02/16/depths-of-madness/

The gist of the argument is that since homosexuality causes such a large hit to reproductive fitness, it can not be genetic in origin. Those genes would eventually not be passed on to the next generation. He postulates that a pathogen must be responsible.

The general experience of paleo dieters is that we have heighten immunity to all sorts of pathogens. Not perfect, but we don't get sick as often as everyone else.

So, putting these two parts together, if someone was homosexual and started to eat a paleo diet, then that person's body would be better able to fight off this hypothetical pathogen. That, in turn, would mean a decrease in the ability of the pathogen to drive homosexual attraction.

Is there any evidence of this in real life? That is, someone has homosexual desire, starts paleo and then loses that desire.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on February 18, 2012
at 01:10 AM

I'm so glad someone finally went there.

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on February 18, 2012
at 01:09 AM

JRM is asking a question about a theory, not espousing a theory, nor claiming it as his personal belief. Stop hating. Good question, mate.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on February 18, 2012
at 01:08 AM

It is nice to have a different sort of question on Paleohacks for a change. There needs to be some stirring of the Paleohacks bonebroth every so often. Move the carcass of triviality I say!

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on February 18, 2012
at 01:05 AM

Syrahna, I get that completely. I actually appreciate opportunities for such discussions. Even though I find the premise and the linked article to be utterly BS, I'm not really disappointed to see the question here. Why? Because I was pretty confident that smart people would come up with good/interesting answers that would properly invalidate the original premise. So far, I'm seeing some interesting stuff here. And I'm personally so completely secure in my sexuality that questions like this are powerless to belittle me. But I know it's really tough for a lot of people to take BS like that.

A1a0baccef58499acf9ceb3c874997f2

(675)

on February 18, 2012
at 01:01 AM

I liked girls before paleo. Like 'em now!! There ya go. Question answered. Now let's move on.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on February 18, 2012
at 01:00 AM

JRM, that's not really fair, because your starting point is a likely invalid premise that homosexuality is a symptom of one of the hundreds of diseases and therefore curable. That's the central premise here, and it's flawed to begin with. So while I don't endorse down-voting your question, I think it's totally fair for people to pick apart the premises upon which your (or the linked article's author) argument is based. And the article's author does absolutely NOTHING to substantiate the premises upon which his/her argument is based.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:54 AM

Well I suppose for the sake of a very poorly asked question it should be closed. It was nice to have a different sort of question on Paleohacks for a change. There needs to be some stirring of the Paleohacks bonebroth every so often. Move the carcass of triviality I say!

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:49 AM

Even though I'm trying to come up with a sincere response to this question, I stand by my downvote in that he posits homosexuality = a pathogen, pure silliness. However, if he is wrestling with something along the lines of the "3 beer queer" phenomenon and wants to screw anything with a pulse when drunk instead of just being a repressed bisexual, eating a paleo diet that helps balance blood sugar will help with decision making in regards to mates. If really truly bi, it isn't going to have an effect one way or the other except to ramp up or decrease libido depending on testosterone status.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:47 AM

Oh, and it completely belittles the sexuality of a zillion people. My friends didn't pop out of their mommy's tummies straight and then "get sick". Sorry. Not cranky with you. Really disappointed to see something like this on PH.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on February 18, 2012
at 12:47 AM

+1 for the call to not down-vote the question. I generally dislike down-voting anyhow, except in cases of frank hate or abuse. I like the discussion of diet influencing sexuality in some way, but I think the OP was really asking more about paleo as it relates to resisting a gay-causing pathogen, rather than genetic causes. The linked article dismisses genetics in favor of the pathogen theory.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:45 AM

Mash, sure, YOUR question isn't offensive. His is. It IMPLIES a defect.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:43 AM

But I really don't think that is a good metaphor to use: sexuality and disease. Even if you didn't mean to directly. The issue is that the/their/your definition of sexuality is being put forward as a genetic abnormality, a negative.

79fc447191de75e7c178951594a43f13

(448)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:39 AM

If someone explained the idea of eating a paleo diet to me twenty years ago and said it could relieve the symptoms of a hundred diseases, I would have said that was crazy...and then downvoted their post.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:39 AM

I think the premise that homosexuality is a negative caused by a pathogen probably does not win you any points. You turned a genetic cake into a moral biscuit.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on February 18, 2012
at 12:36 AM

Well, after all, that's all any of us can really offer.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:35 AM

And just because I posted this does NOT mean I agree with the article he linked to.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:35 AM

Yay for you and the Mrs.! Cool selling point: Paleo, it cures LBD!

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on February 18, 2012
at 12:27 AM

Also, lots of gay folks have children, so I don't really see how homosexuality causes a "large hit to reproductive fitness." I mean, there are a LOT of gay moms and dads out there, and there always have been--we just know about them more nowadays.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:25 AM

Quite rampant in the animal kingdom, observed so far in 1500 species, check out this article: http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx

79fc447191de75e7c178951594a43f13

(448)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:20 AM

Thanks for the n = 1 anecdote.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on February 18, 2012
at 12:16 AM

Really? 10% of squids are gay? I had no idea! Of the ones I've eaten, they all seem equally delicious!

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on February 18, 2012
at 12:10 AM

I agree--let the question stand. I'm interested in the responses. I gave one myself.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:07 AM

Wha, wha?!? Oh honey, are you at one of those camps where they try to convert you to being straight through mind games? Mr. Cochran is obviously unaware of the mating habits of wild squid, at least 10% homosexual while eating a biologically appropriate diet.

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(1213)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:04 AM

Are you asking for evidence or anecdotes? It seems to be the latter, which will in no way provide you with evidence.

2fd93e91bb14e641a2bac9c6033e84e2

(1614)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:02 AM

The post isn't written inflammatorily or even with spelling/punct. errors, which is usually a sign of stupidity. Maybe he/she's a bigot, but innocent until proven guilty.

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on February 17, 2012
at 11:59 PM

His basic premise that homosexuality cannot be genetic in origin is flawed.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on February 17, 2012
at 11:58 PM

Or is it just bigotry masquerading as pseudo-science? Ugh, so offensive and stupid, just the very idea. There's no point in indulging the line of inquiry, even. I will not google!

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A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on February 18, 2012
at 12:09 AM

I know this question will be shut down pretty fast by the mods, but I'm just going to give you the benefit of the doubt and give a sincere answer, because sexuality does not get discussed here often enough in my opinion.

I have noticed that since going paleo, my overall libido has decreased. So have all my appetites for that matter: sugar/carbs, alcohol, drugs, etc. I'm just much less tempted by previously tempty things.

However, I'm still a dude who is into dudes and that hasn't changed a bit. Here's what I think:

1) The pathogen argument is likely BS;

2) homosexuality has pretty much NO impact on reproductive fitness, since only something like 1% of people are gay, and among those, many reproduce anyway, so that argument is BS too;

3) I view it the same way I view a genetic explanation, or a nurture explanation: so what?

If I'm gay because of a pathogen, or because of my genes, or because of my environment, who really cares? It makes no difference to the reproductive success of our species--I think humans have demonstrated remarkable reproductive fitness. And no one has any business telling me who I can or can't love or have sex with (with the usual caveats about consent and age, etc.).

Anyhow, no one studies people following the paleo lifestyle yet, so there really won't be any useful data.

So, to answer your question: in my opinion, no, the paleo lifestyle won't cure homosexuality. So if you're seeking a treatment because you're struggling with this, I'd suggest you keep looking. I don't think paleo is going to provide that magic bullet.

79fc447191de75e7c178951594a43f13

(448)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:20 AM

Thanks for the n = 1 anecdote.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on February 18, 2012
at 12:36 AM

Well, after all, that's all any of us can really offer.

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26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on February 18, 2012
at 01:04 AM

I am a bi-sexual, married woman (married to a man). Although Paleo eating has not decreased my attraction to females, it has, overall, decreased my sex-drive. I eat fairly low-carb, and alcohol may play a significant roll in this. Whenever I put the beer way, and work out regularly, though, I feel a renewed sexual attraction to both genders. If you're queer, you're queer for life.

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Ef4c5b09fdccf73be575d3a0c267fdd9

(2539)

on February 18, 2012
at 01:04 AM

Nope. Like dick as much as ever. Probably more. Yeah, definitely more.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on February 18, 2012
at 01:10 AM

I'm so glad someone finally went there.

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Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on February 17, 2012
at 11:52 PM

I don't get it. Is this some sort of trolling effort?

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on February 18, 2012
at 12:10 AM

I agree--let the question stand. I'm interested in the responses. I gave one myself.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on February 17, 2012
at 11:58 PM

Or is it just bigotry masquerading as pseudo-science? Ugh, so offensive and stupid, just the very idea. There's no point in indulging the line of inquiry, even. I will not google!

2fd93e91bb14e641a2bac9c6033e84e2

(1614)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:02 AM

The post isn't written inflammatorily or even with spelling/punct. errors, which is usually a sign of stupidity. Maybe he/she's a bigot, but innocent until proven guilty.

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D826ee7c5f65d509348f7fe8aeeafdd4

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on February 18, 2012
at 01:06 AM

i can only speak for myself, but my libido has noticeably increased since eating paleo. I just assumed it was the increase of good fats...

if anything eating paleo has made me gay-er

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A1a0baccef58499acf9ceb3c874997f2

on February 18, 2012
at 01:03 AM

I liked girls before paleo. Like 'em now!! There ya go. Question answered. Now let's move on.

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Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:31 AM

I do not think this question should be downvoted.

This is a legitimate question be that to do with homosexuality or any sexuality. Could one not argue that any sexuality could be heightened or lowered via diet through the triggering of specific genes?

What if someone had an incredibly low libido only to have their sexuality come to the forefront after eating paleo?

For example who is to say that homosexuality is not a heightened lean towards homosexuality in bisexuality, or heterosexuality a heightened bisexual heterosexuality? Who is to say bisexuality is neither a combination of the two, or indeed a combination of the two? Who is to say heterosexuality is not a degraded homosexuality or bisexuality merely an optimistic reproductive trait coupled with a heightened sensitivity for same-sex-attraction?

Simply sexuality moves on a spectrum, it is not a finite state.

Genetics is genetics, and that being that genes may or may not exist and may or may not be triggered via external or internal stimuli throughout a person's life, be that a heightened sexuality or even a change in hair-colour.

Why should we not think that diet would not come into play in any of this? Nor should we have any problem thinking that all of our sexualities may be constantly effected by the rising exposure to hormones and chemicals in whatever amount in daily life, be that materials, medicine or diet.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on February 18, 2012
at 01:05 AM

Syrahna, I get that completely. I actually appreciate opportunities for such discussions. Even though I find the premise and the linked article to be utterly BS, I'm not really disappointed to see the question here. Why? Because I was pretty confident that smart people would come up with good/interesting answers that would properly invalidate the original premise. So far, I'm seeing some interesting stuff here. And I'm personally so completely secure in my sexuality that questions like this are powerless to belittle me. But I know it's really tough for a lot of people to take BS like that.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:45 AM

Mash, sure, YOUR question isn't offensive. His is. It IMPLIES a defect.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on February 18, 2012
at 01:08 AM

It is nice to have a different sort of question on Paleohacks for a change. There needs to be some stirring of the Paleohacks bonebroth every so often. Move the carcass of triviality I say!

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:49 AM

Even though I'm trying to come up with a sincere response to this question, I stand by my downvote in that he posits homosexuality = a pathogen, pure silliness. However, if he is wrestling with something along the lines of the "3 beer queer" phenomenon and wants to screw anything with a pulse when drunk instead of just being a repressed bisexual, eating a paleo diet that helps balance blood sugar will help with decision making in regards to mates. If really truly bi, it isn't going to have an effect one way or the other except to ramp up or decrease libido depending on testosterone status.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:35 AM

And just because I posted this does NOT mean I agree with the article he linked to.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:54 AM

Well I suppose for the sake of a very poorly asked question it should be closed. It was nice to have a different sort of question on Paleohacks for a change. There needs to be some stirring of the Paleohacks bonebroth every so often. Move the carcass of triviality I say!

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on February 18, 2012
at 12:47 AM

+1 for the call to not down-vote the question. I generally dislike down-voting anyhow, except in cases of frank hate or abuse. I like the discussion of diet influencing sexuality in some way, but I think the OP was really asking more about paleo as it relates to resisting a gay-causing pathogen, rather than genetic causes. The linked article dismisses genetics in favor of the pathogen theory.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:47 AM

Oh, and it completely belittles the sexuality of a zillion people. My friends didn't pop out of their mommy's tummies straight and then "get sick". Sorry. Not cranky with you. Really disappointed to see something like this on PH.

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C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on February 18, 2012
at 12:29 AM

Increased it! :-) Many thanks from the wife and I for the libido Paleo. Never thought I'd see it again.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:35 AM

Yay for you and the Mrs.! Cool selling point: Paleo, it cures LBD!

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2fd93e91bb14e641a2bac9c6033e84e2

(1614)

on February 18, 2012
at 12:07 AM

Is there proof that homosexuality did not exist during the Paleolithic era? If not, your argument is null.

I'd think the reproductive fitness argument is "proven" wrong right here and now, given the "rampant" homosexuality we've got in our society but the world population continues to explode.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on February 18, 2012
at 12:27 AM

Also, lots of gay folks have children, so I don't really see how homosexuality causes a "large hit to reproductive fitness." I mean, there are a LOT of gay moms and dads out there, and there always have been--we just know about them more nowadays.

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