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How do you respond to people who say "oh so you basically eat aaahhhtkins"

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Created July 01, 2011 at 9:28 PM

I usually say Atkins has the right idea but that primal eating is based on evolutionary science and is more natural/not diet-y. I'd like to be able to explain more so people get it. What do you guys say?

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on December 30, 2011
at 10:30 PM

I like DM but she gets a way too free ride with her raw food.

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on December 07, 2011
at 02:38 PM

What, there are no paleo podcasts? What rock you been living under?

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on October 26, 2011
at 03:12 PM

Don't they usually "ADDkins" like Hank on low carb journey?

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on October 26, 2011
at 02:17 AM

+another 1, Rose, for being heartfelt. We need more of that!!

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on October 26, 2011
at 02:17 AM

+1 Rose. I think people are just carefully trained to hate Atkins, and it might just be their knee-jerk response to it.

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on October 26, 2011
at 02:14 AM

+1 for not talking with your mouth full

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on October 26, 2011
at 02:13 AM

+1 quilt. He was certainly ahead of his time

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on July 15, 2011
at 07:12 PM

Namby Pamby. I don't think he would poo poo the safe starch arguments. Did you actually read his "New" diet revolution book? The one from '99 not '74. He did address adding carbohydrates into one's diet starting after week two... Continuing to add them until weight loss stops... then cutting back to where one is losing at a maintainable pace. Then adding enough so that one is maintaining when they reach their goals. He just wasn't as specific about the safe starches as paleo or primal dieters are.

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on July 15, 2011
at 07:09 PM

having to be responsible for what they eat, keeping calories under control. Hence the success of my fitness company... I tell them what to eat and when to eat it... no thought on their part required. I count their calories for them and they pay me to do it. And I use Atkins, paleo, primal, ancestral anabolic, and even DiPisquale's old anabolic diet, depending on the client's needs and goals... hey even with the anabolic diet with the horrible cheats on weekends... they are eating healthier all week and it balances out some.

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(2755)

on July 15, 2011
at 07:07 PM

Atkins, other than ending up being a yo yo diet because people misunderstood or misapplied it... atkins wasn't a bad starting place. Better than "paleo" or "primal" for someone who needs strict rules to quickly lose a great deal of body fat to improve their health. The problem with atkins is the idea that once you lose your weight is that it's time to eat like before...then go back on induction if you gain a little. The problem with paleo is that too many people tend to overeat on the nuts, seeds, and fruit. Same for primal. People are lazy and want a shortcut way to get out of actually

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on July 05, 2011
at 05:18 PM

I haven't been around much lately Rose, but it would make me sad to see anyone drive away our Low Carb and Zero Carb people. I don't eat that way, but I really, really love to read everyone's experiences and find it super interesting how all of our bodies deal with things differently.

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on July 05, 2011
at 03:40 PM

Rose, thanks very much for posting, again, words of common sense and decency. I appreciate your taking the time and effort to contribute such needed facts and kindness here.

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on July 05, 2011
at 03:30 PM

Thank you Mem, Rose, and GHarkness. Another downvote here. Trying to gain anything by denigrating someone else never works.

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on July 05, 2011
at 12:44 AM

Thanks, GHarkness. There's been a spate of these "go away, LCers" posts lately, and I don't get it. In pursuing a "cool" identity, these folks are running off people with good experience and knowledge.

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on July 04, 2011
at 06:54 PM

I don't think this is "nasty" at all. What you say makes sense and I LOL at the "no more business than my toilet habits." Your whole commentary is well thought-out. Good stuff!

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on July 04, 2011
at 06:52 PM

Downvote from me, too. Jimmy has never pretended to be anything but what he is....working on his own body. While doing that, he has had some successes and some failures, but what he never does is hide either of those things, either from people or from himself. I know that Jimmy had some 30+ lb. weight gain a couple years ago and he has diligently worked hard on getting rid of it. When I saw him in May, he looked very good. It would be to your advantage to quit being snarky about other successful - YES, successful - people.

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on July 04, 2011
at 05:40 PM

Mem, thanks for your great commentary here. I'll always be grateful to Dr. Atkins, and I hate to see him dissed in some kind of stupid tribal identity war. He invoked early versions of paleo principles in his reasoning for his way of eating, which helped hundreds of thousands of people suffering in ways that only the obese and formerly obese understand. And Jimmy Moore has his place in the world, too. I don't follow him, but he makes low-carb palatable for a lot of people who would otherwise be eating even more garbage, and suffering even more.

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on July 03, 2011
at 07:57 PM

Hyperlinks. I am vanquished.

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on July 03, 2011
at 05:55 AM

@Tonysolo: http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2011/06/new-podcast-interview-and-my-thoughts.html http://www.foodaddictionsummit.org/agenda.htm

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on July 03, 2011
at 05:42 AM

@Tonysolo:http://magazine.ucla.edu/exclusives/dieting_no-go/ http://www.drsharma.ca/obesity-why-diet-and-exercise-is-not-a-treatment-for-obesity.html http://www.drsharma.ca/is-exercise-more-about-calories-in-than-calories-out.html http://thehealthyskeptic.org/podcast-episode-i-interview-with-stephan-guyenet-on-obesity-and-weight-loss

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on July 03, 2011
at 05:19 AM

@Annie: I am differentiating between the food producing company that basically gathered all its steam *after* Atkins died and came out with all the meal bars that ppl are now very familiar with. What it offered was quite limited b4. Atkins and diet = one and the same. I agree strongly that the food company stuff is a problem, but still, IMHO, beats the heck out of non low carb stuff. They need to clean up the soy and O-6, peanuts and gluten for it to be paleo fare.

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on July 03, 2011
at 05:14 AM

@Shari: I'm going into 13 years and I wonder the same thing, lol!

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on July 03, 2011
at 04:49 AM

I don't know. I've been LC 15+ years. How many years do I have to put in before it becomes a lifestyle and not just some fad diet for quick weight loss?

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on July 03, 2011
at 04:46 AM

It sounds like you are differentiating between Dr. Atkins and the Atkins diet. I am speaking of the Atkins diet in general as I know it from about the mid 2000's. One look at their Atkins brand food and it is safe to say that "they" do not care about food quality.

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on July 03, 2011
at 03:52 AM

Moore's cliched advice to his listeners is to "find what works for you and stick with it." Here's hoping he eventually practices what he preaches. And it says much about this country that a man should be applauded for not weighing 410 pounds. Losing 100 pounds, sure, that's respectable, since it's hard to do. But unless you're gung-ho on set-point theory, neither you nor Moore need worry about his returning to his previous weight. If someone "veers" away from eating real food, he has no person but himself to blame. The 95 percent figure is doubtful, but doesn't change my stance on this.

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on July 03, 2011
at 03:39 AM

And there will be many people who will lose weight on paleo and just like very other weight loss effort/plan, they will gain it back and more. They will simply veer off course, or leave paleo altogether. For a substantial number of metabolically disturbed ppl, the paleo tent will need to be combined with low carb eating an other tweaking. Smugness and arrogance are not helpful to anyone.

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on July 03, 2011
at 03:35 AM

Jimmy Morre has managed to keep OFF 100+ lbs for many years. Have you lost 100 lbs? If so, how long have you kept it off? I have down voted you because your answer adds nothing helpful, is mean spirited, and uniformed. 95% of ALL people who lose weight on ALL diets/WOES gain it all back and MORE. And if you keep your eyes open on paleohacks, you will find many posts in which people are having little success losing weight on "paleo." I believe the "big tent" priciples of paleo/primal/ancestral living are very health promoting. But there are ppl for whom paleo will fail as a weight loss plan...

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on July 03, 2011
at 03:29 AM

Agreed, Mara. I did it as a very young person in 74 to get off a mere 10-12 lbs. There's more to the story, but moving ahead, when I had about 90lbs to lose in 99, I turned to Atkins again, but with a totaly clean "ancestral" eating bent that had ben acquired over previous years. LC falls within the "big tent" of ancestral eating pricipals. Lets not forget that in this year's paleo survey, a full 55% or so were ppl coming to paleo who *need to lose weight.*

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on July 03, 2011
at 03:23 AM

Annie, it isn't actually true that Atkins didn't care about the quality of food as long as it was low carb. He railed against processed meats and nitrates and processed foods in general. What came to pass with Atkins foods company was not consistent with Atkins writing at all. Atkins foods didn't really get going untill after his death in 02. Things he was *not* clued into are the soy issues and the inherent issues with wheat especially and other grains, other than their high carb content and mostly processed nature. Science grows, thank goodness.

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on July 03, 2011
at 03:16 AM

Namby: Atkins was very, very down on sugar. But, in the pre and maint phases, which assumes all desired weight has been lost, whatever carbs desired *could* be included, though he strongly frowned on highly processed food and sugar. The big thing was establishing and testing the critical carb level, whihc as I remember, he thought for *some* could be around 100 -150 carbs, but always warned that for the very *deranged* as we currently say, the crit carb level might be half or less than that.

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on July 03, 2011
at 03:12 AM

Namby: The "hallmark" of Atkins was ketosis on in the two week induction phase, no necessarily after. Hwever, hewas clear from the start that there *would* be those ppl who are *very* metabolically resistant who would need to do even an more stringent induction - basically a ketogenic diet, and that some *would* be resistant enough to need longer periods of ketosis, but not induction. Finding the critical carb level for pre-maint and maint was present from the first book in the 70's. And in fact, potatoes *could* be included in pre and maint, but would have to fall within the crit carb level.

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on July 02, 2011
at 07:53 PM

I'd say if it isn't working, then change what you're doing. I struggled with low carb for months and kept feeling worse and gaining more fat and the advice was "even lower carb!" That just doesn't make sense. It's like CW nonsense of "low fat and 5 fruits and veggies don't make people lean and healthy? Well eat nine servings! And even less fat!"

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on July 02, 2011
at 03:46 PM

If he was alive it would not be like this......Atkins was a man of science with a capitalist twist.

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on July 02, 2011
at 03:46 PM

but that is now because Atkins is dead and his foundation is controlled by business men.

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on July 02, 2011
at 03:11 PM

I dunno- maybe a couple of months? Not at all? It seems possible to lose weight without it. I would recommend it after someone has tried just eliminating NADS and eating whole foods to satiety- see how they do with that first, and go from there. But I'm just inferring what people who seem to know what they're talking about are saying, plus the experience of myself and others.

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on July 02, 2011
at 02:14 PM

OK, paleo is not necessarily low-carb. And, I'm suspecting more and more, low-carb is not a good idea for a majority of people.

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on July 02, 2011
at 01:13 PM

I dont even bother explaining anymore....i just say yep. I've given up trying to explain what I'm doing. They will start listening when I rip my shirt off and see my shredded abs. Im following the leangains protocol along with the Paleo lifestyle. So until i lose my last 10lbs of fat, I'm wasting my time. I'm almost there....and can't wait to tell anyone who asks that I eat a high fat/protein, vlc, diet.

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on July 02, 2011
at 05:58 AM

Rose, the Atkins hallmark was ketosis. If you were ketogenic, you were in Atkins heaven. Yes, you could bring more carbs in after the induction phase. But Atkins always believed that ketosis is the preferred metabolism for being healthy. Incidentally, this position is embraced today by many low-carb Paleo people: e.g., Nora Gedgaudis. These people actually believe hunter-gatherers were ice age hunters who ate meat but no tubers. The "gatherer" part they don't understand.

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on July 02, 2011
at 05:13 AM

Oh, I don't know, Namby. The arc of his "diet" was vlc to start, then increasing carbs until you find your critical carb limit. Some folks could get way up there with the current crop of tuber-munchin' bodybuilders. What I'm seeing now is such a backlash against low-carb that a bunch of paleos are insisting that *nobody* should eat low carb (or very few, as someone commented below). Atkins was more tolerant and experienced than that, and knew that many of us with severe metabolic issues would have to stay vlc for life. But not *everyone.*

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on July 02, 2011
at 05:07 AM

If Atkins were Paleo now, he would be low-carb Paleo and would probably pooh-pooh the safe starch argument. His idea was that low carbing promotes weight loss and is a healthy lifestyle in itself. He never would have incorporated yams, yuca nor white rice into his diet plan.

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on July 02, 2011
at 02:17 AM

I like this idea!

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on July 02, 2011
at 12:59 AM

Excellent response. There are a lot of different corners for paleo people to hide out in. I would have no problem considering all of these people paleo-minded. Even the guy who just wrote his farewell to paleo blog post... what he is doing now is still paleo derived and his thoughts are still worth reading and considering. At the end of the day, we all have to make our own nutritional choices. I am glad to have such wise people willing to guide me towards what's right for me.

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on July 02, 2011
at 12:14 AM

+1 Quilt. Atkins gets a bad rap, and he shouldn't. Atkins advocated clean eating and he worked very hard to get people of meds for condtions he felt were best served by dietary interventions. Atkins was NOT a DIET and was to be a lifelong way of eating and he made this very, very clear, from the1974 book forward. I agree with you and Atkins would indeed be paleo and I would even assert, is an early Paleo "Father." And if we think selling Paleo is hard now - lol - imagine 1974!!!! Yes, he was a wise, wise man.

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on July 01, 2011
at 11:28 PM

Namby he did......and I have always maintained that Dr Atkins would be a paleo guy now based upon what we now know. I had the pleasure to meet him and have dinner with him several times and I came away with a great respect for his wisdom.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on July 01, 2011
at 11:27 PM

Paleo can be low carb.....and often is. Paleo is a healthy diet paradigm. It is not a puritanical destination diet oasis.

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on July 01, 2011
at 11:27 PM

Atkins did advocate fish oil to balance out the Omega 6s.

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on July 01, 2011
at 11:14 PM

That sounds yummy! I've been craving a baked 'tater something fierce these past few days, and I love chili. :D

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on July 01, 2011
at 11:08 PM

What is the definition of extended period? I am thinking of coming off of VLC.

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on July 01, 2011
at 10:12 PM

I have to say that the more I read, the more that I agree with you (and this coming from someone who came to Paleo via low-carbing).

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on July 01, 2011
at 09:55 PM

I'm beginning to think there is only a tiny number of people for whom low-carb is a good idea for any extended period of time.

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on July 01, 2011
at 09:54 PM

That's easy- paleo is not low-carb. 'Nuff said.

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on July 01, 2011
at 09:42 PM

Atkins foods have a ton of omega 6's and Paleo lifestyling shuns them. There next question is what is an omega six?

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Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on July 01, 2011
at 09:44 PM

There has undeniably been some cross-pollination between low-carb/Paleo, perhaps due to both of them being on the fringes of what is considered mainstream.

However, depending on the individual Paleo is not necessarily low carb. I suggest that you emphasize that Paleo is not a prescriptive diet plan per se, but more of a holistic and flexible framework upon which the individual can superimpose their own needs/goals, ideally whilst taking into account the health of other animals/the planet.

Perhaps the best way of illustrating the divide between Paleo and Atkins is to emphasize the difference between fresh, real foods, and edible lowcarb! food-like substances. Start by creating a typical fantasy Atkins plan, full of processed soy meal bars and artifically sweetened low-carb shakes and contrast it to a vibrant, Paleo whole foods menu. Even if they don't agree with you nutrition-wise, they can't help but acknowledge that we at least have better food!

EDIT: Aaahhhtkins? Are you by any chance hobnobbing with the British aristocracy? Because if you are, a Paleo Wills and Kate might just be the thing that tips Paleo over into the mainstream. ;)

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(1813)

on July 01, 2011
at 09:55 PM

I'm beginning to think there is only a tiny number of people for whom low-carb is a good idea for any extended period of time.

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on July 01, 2011
at 10:12 PM

I have to say that the more I read, the more that I agree with you (and this coming from someone who came to Paleo via low-carbing).

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on July 02, 2011
at 07:53 PM

I'd say if it isn't working, then change what you're doing. I struggled with low carb for months and kept feeling worse and gaining more fat and the advice was "even lower carb!" That just doesn't make sense. It's like CW nonsense of "low fat and 5 fruits and veggies don't make people lean and healthy? Well eat nine servings! And even less fat!"

02736efa3fda31740e8890eed0cb663d

(1813)

on July 02, 2011
at 03:11 PM

I dunno- maybe a couple of months? Not at all? It seems possible to lose weight without it. I would recommend it after someone has tried just eliminating NADS and eating whole foods to satiety- see how they do with that first, and go from there. But I'm just inferring what people who seem to know what they're talking about are saying, plus the experience of myself and others.

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(3946)

on July 01, 2011
at 11:08 PM

What is the definition of extended period? I am thinking of coming off of VLC.

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on October 26, 2011
at 03:12 PM

Don't they usually "ADDkins" like Hank on low carb journey?

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on July 04, 2011
at 05:54 PM

Alright, I'm going to indulge my nasty side for a minute. Why does anyone give a rat's ass if someone else thinks they're "doing Aaahhhtkins?" I don't spend my time explaining my eating habits to people I don't know well. My eating habits are no more their business than my toilet habits. And the people I do care about, with whom I've had actual, you know, conversations about food and nutrition and health, are my friends, which means they allow me to finish my sentences. I don't have to roll my eyes, sigh elaborately, and hand them a little card (!?! really?); I can actually talk with them. Answer questions, find out what their background and understanding is, engage in a dialogue. You know, converse like a human being, not like an insurance salesman trying to mow down a resistant customer.

And as far as the Atkins/LC "versus" Paleo business is concerned, I don't think this is a productive avenue of inquiry at all. The last thirty years have seen the catastrophic decline of day-to-day health and quality of life of Western-diet-eating people, and people from Atkins to Cordain to Kurt Harris to yes, even Jimmy Moore, were and are all engaged in the same battle: to find the path to health in our industrial world. Tribal identity wars aren't going to help us arrive at good solutions; biochemistry and the collected experience of individuals (which is data) will. And that includes the experiences of metabolically fit bodybuilders and athletes, AND the experiences of metabolically damaged fatsos and former fatsos like me.

So here's my heartfelt plea: PLEASE stop driving off important data points -- us low-carb fatsos -- with these divisive, chest-thumping, we-don't-want-no-damaged-people-round-here posts. If you want to understand human metabolism, and the damage wreaked by agro-industrial diets on the human body, then you're going to need to hear from us, whether you "like" us or not.

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on July 05, 2011
at 03:40 PM

Rose, thanks very much for posting, again, words of common sense and decency. I appreciate your taking the time and effort to contribute such needed facts and kindness here.

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on July 04, 2011
at 06:54 PM

I don't think this is "nasty" at all. What you say makes sense and I LOL at the "no more business than my toilet habits." Your whole commentary is well thought-out. Good stuff!

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on July 05, 2011
at 05:18 PM

I haven't been around much lately Rose, but it would make me sad to see anyone drive away our Low Carb and Zero Carb people. I don't eat that way, but I really, really love to read everyone's experiences and find it super interesting how all of our bodies deal with things differently.

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on July 05, 2011
at 12:44 AM

Thanks, GHarkness. There's been a spate of these "go away, LCers" posts lately, and I don't get it. In pursuing a "cool" identity, these folks are running off people with good experience and knowledge.

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on October 26, 2011
at 02:17 AM

+another 1, Rose, for being heartfelt. We need more of that!!

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on October 26, 2011
at 02:17 AM

+1 Rose. I think people are just carefully trained to hate Atkins, and it might just be their knee-jerk response to it.

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on July 01, 2011
at 11:35 PM

People like to say Paleo is a big tent and we accommodate all types of diet gurus like Atkins to Cordain to De Vany to Wolf to PaNu and now the Jaminets and those who eat safe starches to up their carbs.

Let's say Paleo includes all these. But then why shouldn't Ornish and Fuhrman be Paleo as well? Ornish and Fuhrman are basically plant-based advocates who believe in whole foods. They also shun all processed foods, except that they're probably not as anti-gluten as the Paleo folk. People point out their fear of saturated fat and meats, but this stance dovetails with Cordain's and De Vany's, who are still suspicious of saturated fat and fatty meats.

Seriously, the Paleo tent is big but it is probably too fragmented to do anything as a group or movement. It's a loose coalition. I know that most Paleos and low carbers would differentiate themselves from Ornish and Fuhrman. But surprise, these guys could arguably fit inside the Paleo big tent.

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on July 02, 2011
at 12:59 AM

Excellent response. There are a lot of different corners for paleo people to hide out in. I would have no problem considering all of these people paleo-minded. Even the guy who just wrote his farewell to paleo blog post... what he is doing now is still paleo derived and his thoughts are still worth reading and considering. At the end of the day, we all have to make our own nutritional choices. I am glad to have such wise people willing to guide me towards what's right for me.

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on July 01, 2011
at 09:32 PM

I like to say that Paleo is a lifestyle rather than a diet. It's not something to be ditched once the weight is lost or health is achieved. I also point out that Paleo is much more focused on grass-fed, healthy, pastured and cage-free animals, antibiotic free, nitrate free, etc. Atkins could give a rat's behind what type of food you are eating as long as it's low-carb.

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on July 03, 2011
at 04:49 AM

I don't know. I've been LC 15+ years. How many years do I have to put in before it becomes a lifestyle and not just some fad diet for quick weight loss?

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on July 03, 2011
at 03:23 AM

Annie, it isn't actually true that Atkins didn't care about the quality of food as long as it was low carb. He railed against processed meats and nitrates and processed foods in general. What came to pass with Atkins foods company was not consistent with Atkins writing at all. Atkins foods didn't really get going untill after his death in 02. Things he was *not* clued into are the soy issues and the inherent issues with wheat especially and other grains, other than their high carb content and mostly processed nature. Science grows, thank goodness.

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(3946)

on July 03, 2011
at 04:46 AM

It sounds like you are differentiating between Dr. Atkins and the Atkins diet. I am speaking of the Atkins diet in general as I know it from about the mid 2000's. One look at their Atkins brand food and it is safe to say that "they" do not care about food quality.

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on July 03, 2011
at 05:14 AM

@Shari: I'm going into 13 years and I wonder the same thing, lol!

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on July 03, 2011
at 05:19 AM

@Annie: I am differentiating between the food producing company that basically gathered all its steam *after* Atkins died and came out with all the meal bars that ppl are now very familiar with. What it offered was quite limited b4. Atkins and diet = one and the same. I agree strongly that the food company stuff is a problem, but still, IMHO, beats the heck out of non low carb stuff. They need to clean up the soy and O-6, peanuts and gluten for it to be paleo fare.

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on July 02, 2011
at 01:29 AM

Well, I did Atkins back in the mid 90s, and lost 60+ lbs. It does work. And it had the benefit of getting me off wheat and corn (turns out I'm allergic to corn, wheat, soy). I think if Dr. Atkins were still alive he'd be keeping up with the whole Omega 3 / Omega 6 discussion and it's good to see that his organization is moving in that direction.

I seem to need to stay very low-carb to lose weight, which I'm trying to do right now since I've let my weight creep up a little over the past 15 yrs. I can probably reintroduce some carbs once I get to my goal weight (lost 10 lbs, need to go another 10), and will use Paleo principles when I do.

So if someone said that to me, I'd mention the whole good fats/bad fats concept, and ask exactly what's wrong with eating a salad with a nice helping of grass-fed beef or salmon. I've had that discussion with my doctor, who doesn't quite get low-carb but does know I've lost weight and mostly kept it off.

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on July 03, 2011
at 03:29 AM

Agreed, Mara. I did it as a very young person in 74 to get off a mere 10-12 lbs. There's more to the story, but moving ahead, when I had about 90lbs to lose in 99, I turned to Atkins again, but with a totaly clean "ancestral" eating bent that had ben acquired over previous years. LC falls within the "big tent" of ancestral eating pricipals. Lets not forget that in this year's paleo survey, a full 55% or so were ppl coming to paleo who *need to lose weight.*

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on July 01, 2011
at 09:55 PM

Paleo does not equal low carb by default i just ate a huge sweet potato some berries some carrots plus 3 pastured eggs cooked in coconut ghee(coconut oil mixed with ghee) with goat cheese avocado and some tomato. Paleo is more about avoiding modern toxic foods-processed foods then carbs its about not consuming industrial seed/vegetable oils, excess pufa and excess sugar, antinutrients and generally crappy quality food.

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on July 01, 2011
at 09:37 PM

I just say that unlike when I went on Atkins I plan on making Paleo (or any similar incarnation) a permanent lifestyle decision. When I was on Atkins I'd eat soy burgers because they were only 1 or 2 net carbs or nitrite laden hot dogs. Not everyone who is paleo is low carb, the version I'm doing just happens to be low carb.

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on July 05, 2011
at 01:57 AM

My answer to anyone who says "oh so basically you're on Atkins/low carb/South Beach etc" is this:

"All those diets are program diets. You follow a pre-established program. Problems with program diets are that they don't account for the fact that no two humans are identical and typically people gain the weight back once they get off the diet. Paleo is about thinking for yourself, doing the research on what you're choosing to put into your body, and listening to how your body responds it. Paleo differs from person to person depending on those individual's needs. Yes, there are themes like no grains and whole, unprocessed foods, but the diet is going to be different because everyone's metabolisms and allergies/sensitivities are different."

for me, the real theme of paleo is research, analyze, apply, evaluate. Thinking for yourself, something more people should do.

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on July 02, 2011
at 01:49 AM

I was tired of explaining each time, especially to jerks who wouldn't let the subject drop, so took a section out of the Paleo Wiki entry, laminated it, and carry in my wallet. If someone is nice then I verbally explain the lifestyle. If they're being a jackass then they get the card. So far it's worked :)

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on July 02, 2011
at 02:17 AM

I like this idea!

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on July 01, 2011
at 09:57 PM

I don't say anything, I just take another bite of my chili topped baked potato.

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(5227)

on July 01, 2011
at 11:14 PM

That sounds yummy! I've been craving a baked 'tater something fierce these past few days, and I love chili. :D

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(8989)

on October 26, 2011
at 02:14 AM

+1 for not talking with your mouth full

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on July 01, 2011
at 10:34 PM

I explain to people that the word diet has two meanings. One is a weight loss plan, the other is what your food intake is comprised of to survive on. Atkins is a weight loss plan.

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(8989)

on October 26, 2011
at 02:10 AM

I just say, "No, the Atkins people eat alot of mayo."

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on July 01, 2011
at 10:40 PM

TBH I think that Atkins is swaying more towards the paleo ways.. they're having a 'revolution'.. check out their new website. they still allow legumes and whole grains.. but I think it is getting better when it comes to telling everyone about the difference between omega 3's and promoting the eating of healthy fats..

http://www.atkins.com/Science/UnderstandingNutritionAndExercise/GoodFats.aspx

a lot better than the old version of it.. and they section of ''scientific research''.. I've not been through the whole site. i still think paleo is the way to go.. obviously :P

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(25482)

on July 02, 2011
at 03:46 PM

but that is now because Atkins is dead and his foundation is controlled by business men.

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on July 02, 2011
at 03:46 PM

If he was alive it would not be like this......Atkins was a man of science with a capitalist twist.

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(8989)

on October 26, 2011
at 02:13 AM

+1 quilt. He was certainly ahead of his time

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on October 27, 2011
at 02:23 AM

Explain the difference. But it isn't a bad thing. Atkins Diet born in the sixties when food was cleaner is our forefather in diet. And compared to what they may be eating, Atkins would do them well.

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on October 26, 2011
at 03:09 PM

i flash them my safe starches.

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(2178)

on October 26, 2011
at 03:01 PM

I like Robb Wolf's phrase that "paleo is macronutrient agnostic."

Gets to the point that it's not about carbs, but the type/quality of foods you're consuming.

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on October 26, 2011
at 02:48 AM

I say "Denise Minger is waaaay more babely than Dr Atkins and I only listen to babes."

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on December 30, 2011
at 10:30 PM

I like DM but she gets a way too free ride with her raw food.

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on July 03, 2011
at 01:46 AM

Jimmy Moore has been on Atkins since like 1945. So, Atkins makes you 275 pounds and gives you a podcast. Paleo does neither.

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on July 03, 2011
at 05:42 AM

@Tonysolo:http://magazine.ucla.edu/exclusives/dieting_no-go/ http://www.drsharma.ca/obesity-why-diet-and-exercise-is-not-a-treatment-for-obesity.html http://www.drsharma.ca/is-exercise-more-about-calories-in-than-calories-out.html http://thehealthyskeptic.org/podcast-episode-i-interview-with-stephan-guyenet-on-obesity-and-weight-loss

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(1416)

on July 03, 2011
at 07:57 PM

Hyperlinks. I am vanquished.

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on July 03, 2011
at 05:55 AM

@Tonysolo: http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/2011/06/new-podcast-interview-and-my-thoughts.html http://www.foodaddictionsummit.org/agenda.htm

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on July 05, 2011
at 03:30 PM

Thank you Mem, Rose, and GHarkness. Another downvote here. Trying to gain anything by denigrating someone else never works.

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(1416)

on July 03, 2011
at 03:52 AM

Moore's cliched advice to his listeners is to "find what works for you and stick with it." Here's hoping he eventually practices what he preaches. And it says much about this country that a man should be applauded for not weighing 410 pounds. Losing 100 pounds, sure, that's respectable, since it's hard to do. But unless you're gung-ho on set-point theory, neither you nor Moore need worry about his returning to his previous weight. If someone "veers" away from eating real food, he has no person but himself to blame. The 95 percent figure is doubtful, but doesn't change my stance on this.

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on July 03, 2011
at 03:39 AM

And there will be many people who will lose weight on paleo and just like very other weight loss effort/plan, they will gain it back and more. They will simply veer off course, or leave paleo altogether. For a substantial number of metabolically disturbed ppl, the paleo tent will need to be combined with low carb eating an other tweaking. Smugness and arrogance are not helpful to anyone.

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on July 03, 2011
at 03:35 AM

Jimmy Morre has managed to keep OFF 100+ lbs for many years. Have you lost 100 lbs? If so, how long have you kept it off? I have down voted you because your answer adds nothing helpful, is mean spirited, and uniformed. 95% of ALL people who lose weight on ALL diets/WOES gain it all back and MORE. And if you keep your eyes open on paleohacks, you will find many posts in which people are having little success losing weight on "paleo." I believe the "big tent" priciples of paleo/primal/ancestral living are very health promoting. But there are ppl for whom paleo will fail as a weight loss plan...

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(11996)

on July 04, 2011
at 05:40 PM

Mem, thanks for your great commentary here. I'll always be grateful to Dr. Atkins, and I hate to see him dissed in some kind of stupid tribal identity war. He invoked early versions of paleo principles in his reasoning for his way of eating, which helped hundreds of thousands of people suffering in ways that only the obese and formerly obese understand. And Jimmy Moore has his place in the world, too. I don't follow him, but he makes low-carb palatable for a lot of people who would otherwise be eating even more garbage, and suffering even more.

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(1932)

on July 04, 2011
at 06:52 PM

Downvote from me, too. Jimmy has never pretended to be anything but what he is....working on his own body. While doing that, he has had some successes and some failures, but what he never does is hide either of those things, either from people or from himself. I know that Jimmy had some 30+ lb. weight gain a couple years ago and he has diligently worked hard on getting rid of it. When I saw him in May, he looked very good. It would be to your advantage to quit being snarky about other successful - YES, successful - people.

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(20436)

on December 07, 2011
at 02:38 PM

What, there are no paleo podcasts? What rock you been living under?

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