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Athletes thrive on carbs and protein and fat are overemphasised ?

Commented on August 12, 2014
Created May 22, 2014 at 12:16 AM

Does anyone here follow any football HS and college strength and conditioning coaches, powerlifters etc? I have noticed that the general consensus amongst some of the best coaches and athletes is that tonnes of highly processed carbohydrates are far more important to athletic growth and performance and protein is really not that important.

I remember one where two well known powerlifters are talking about diet and one says that the best athletes he knew were from a really poor predominantly african american area and they would be drinking chocolate milk and eating jelly on bread and just slamming the carbohydrate and were eating pretty small amounts of protein.

They also mention that health wise that is not optimum but I was just wondering what you guys thought about the subject. For example if you were to coach young players would you recommend paleo?

I would recommend huge amounts of carbohydrate and a simple heavy lifting routine to compliment their skill training. I know cross fit football have a paleo diet for footballers and it seems healthy but also seems far from optimal going from personal experience with rugby players I know and athletes in general.

I knew a rugby guy with regular genetics like me who started playing at around 13 and he would slam pizza and turkey subs and drink gallons of gatorade and his ability to keep progressing in the squat and flip a 400 pound tyre and keep getting faster and stronger was insane. I stopped rugby to focus on soccer and did eat an almost paleo diet before I had heard of paleo.

When I switched back to high processed carb diet I noticed quite a fair amount of benefit performance wise.

Is the general consensus paleo is optimal for health, highly processed ultra high carb for performance?

I know some experts like john berardi have tried to bridge this gap by recommending paleo apart from pre and post workout which he instructs you use something like pasta or gatorade or something very carb dense to fuel real athletic performance.

I know this isn't exactly an answerable question but thought would be interesting.

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on August 12, 2014
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"They’ve both been stringently following the, protein-rich, carb-restrictive Paleo eating plan."

"Essentially, raw, unprocessed foods that are high in protein and omega-rich fats."

"In addition, notes Palm Beach County health coach Pamela Higgins, 'High protein diets can stress the kidneys and liver.' Osborn urges that anyone with pre-existing coronary artery disease 'proceed with caution'"

The diet isn't particularly protein-rich. It doesn't focus on eating lots of polyunsaturated fats, and it doesn't increase your risk of cardiovascular disease. (Also, no need to ditch frying food.)

Typical.

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on May 22, 2014
at 06:27 PM

What's "sufficient" is not synonymous with what's optimal, in terms of well being, health, and/or performance. If I had to guess, modern people don't deal with carbs well because they don't use their muscles enough and they eat too many calories. Active muscles sop up glucose. Active bodies burn fat efficiently.

Also, by your definition of what's "sufficient", you failed to include how incredibly infitessimal fatty acid needs are.

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on August 12, 2014
at 01:39 AM

Have you guys seen LeBron's "paleo" inspired diet from Ray Allen?

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/lifestyles/lebron-james-dwayne-wade-follow-paleo-diet/ngzLB/

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on August 12, 2014
at 03:27 PM

"They’ve both been stringently following the, protein-rich, carb-restrictive Paleo eating plan."

"Essentially, raw, unprocessed foods that are high in protein and omega-rich fats."

"In addition, notes Palm Beach County health coach Pamela Higgins, 'High protein diets can stress the kidneys and liver.' Osborn urges that anyone with pre-existing coronary artery disease 'proceed with caution'"

The diet isn't particularly protein-rich. It doesn't focus on eating lots of polyunsaturated fats, and it doesn't increase your risk of cardiovascular disease. (Also, no need to ditch frying food.)

Typical.

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on May 22, 2014
at 05:12 PM

This has been answered here dozens of times. Elite athletes are striving for peak performance, not optimal health. They do this, knowingly, at the expense of their health. While I believe that protein needs are slightly higher than Matt for active people (I believe in the .75g per lb of lean mass for endurance sports, 1g per lb of lean mass for strength sports) -- I believe that carbohydrates are much higher for active people.

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on May 22, 2014
at 03:26 AM

Excess protein isn't useful, it's simply broken down for energy… it's inefficient and wasteful. Sufficient carbohydrate consumption means you're not likely spending any dietary protein or lean mass to meet glucose needs. 50 grams each protein and carbohydrate for sedentary folks, needs are only slightly higher for high levels of actvity, energy scales much more though.

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on May 22, 2014
at 06:27 PM

What's "sufficient" is not synonymous with what's optimal, in terms of well being, health, and/or performance. If I had to guess, modern people don't deal with carbs well because they don't use their muscles enough and they eat too many calories. Active muscles sop up glucose. Active bodies burn fat efficiently.

Also, by your definition of what's "sufficient", you failed to include how incredibly infitessimal fatty acid needs are.

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