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Where to place the carbohydrate around a workout (athlete)

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 09, 2012 at 4:28 AM

Training twice a day, one fairly anaerobic/high intensity session, the other more strength based. Carbohydrate necessary to fuel effort levels.

The goal is to lean out a little more.

Would you place them before the workout and then just eat a normal meal after the workout (low carb meat and veg style) or would you place them in the pwo window to uilise the non-insulin mediated glucose transport?

I understand the pwo would probably be the best option if recovery was the primary objective but for leaning out does it make more sense to fuel before the training and then ride with the improved insulin sensitivity post?

Thankyou in advance

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on May 09, 2012
at 12:28 PM

Recovery is fueling the training. If you need to specifically consume carbs to have enough available for your next session then, for leaning out, the best time to do it is after your previous session. It's the only way to have time to digest them, get your glycogen back, and get fat being released into the bloodstream again in time for your next workout.

But trying to train twice a day, maintain performance and lean out is one hell of a challenge. I reckon I'd take the first session fasted, spend the time between sessions doing most of my eating, and just have a simple protein/fat PWO meal after the second session to digest overnight.

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on May 09, 2012
at 11:18 AM

Why are you training twice a day? Is leaning out your primary goal or a secondary one?

If leaning out is the primary goal, reduce the intensity of your aerobic sessions to be simple fast walking for 15-30 minutes fasted in the AM. If you IF you'll not need anything to recover from this. If you don't, eat a small low carb breakfast after (like a few eggs.). Keep your strength sessions heavy and hard, and eat the majority of your calories and carbs after that workout.

If you are required to do both sessions then take BCAAs before both workouts and only eat post workout. Take coffee with your carbs after your morning sessions as it improves muscle glycogen uptake. Still keep the majority of your carbs and calories after the strength session.

To lean out you'll need to eat less food, so that is why I'm not recommending two-a-days. Fewer calories mean less recovery time and it will be a struggle (for most people) to keep it up for the time it takes to drop bodyfat.

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on May 09, 2012
at 06:04 PM

I favor fasted workouts followed by whatever PWO nutrition gets you set for the next planned workout or athletic practice.

In super short summary, I believe that this best simulates a successful hunting trip, and reinforces both the exercise and the apportionment of PWO nutrition to the most advantageous parts of the body.

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on May 09, 2012
at 01:09 PM

If your goal is to lean out a little, I personally favor them post workout. First, you'll allow yourself more opportunity to burn some of your own reserves during exercise if you restrict both carbs and fat until your post workout meals. Second, you'll have improved insulin sensitivity post workout, ensuring that those precious carbs get used properly. Third, exercise can be really efficient at acutely increasing cortisol, so I assume that consuming some carbs post workout might mitigate that response a little.

However, if you're competing at a high level, it might be a good idea to drink some diluted pedialite (glucose) during your workout, or eating a banana or some starch before hand.

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on May 09, 2012
at 04:51 AM

I don't actually know.

However, from what I've read (particularly on Leangains), I feel that the best route is to work out on an empty stomach and eat a pile of carbs/protein afterwards.

And yeah, fasted workouts do seem to work for leaning out . where-to-place-the-carbohydrate-around-a-workout-(athlete)

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on May 09, 2012
at 02:02 PM

Apparently fasted training also makes your hands double in size...

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