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Rheumatoid Arthritis

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created May 11, 2011 at 7:57 PM

I have seen a few posts from those with RA. I have also done some research into alternative treatments as modern medicine usually just treats the symptoms. My wife has RA and has been declining rapidly of late. When she was eating Primal, like me, she was doing better. Which leads me to my question. One thing that pops up around using diet to treat RA is reducing animal products. Why would eliminating red meat help? And if meat is so harmful to RA sufferers, why did she get better when we were eating steaks three or four nights a week?

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on August 03, 2013
at 12:41 AM

Wow, that's a serious condition, from the little I know. I hope she is able to get a handle on it!

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on August 02, 2013
at 04:28 PM

Thanks for sharing. Glad you are doing better. We actually got a diagnosis last year and found out it is not RA. She has a genetic disorder called Ehlers Danlos. It is a problem with processing collagen. She has been trying to change her diet, but has little willpower. She refuses to give up her Dew and bread. Being a bit of a southern belle she grew up eating bread with every meal. Baby Steps.

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on May 30, 2013
at 07:40 PM

It is absolutely possible. Diet has an *enormous* impact (as you can see above), and there are herbs you can take, breathing exercises you can do, and cleansing programs you can do that make giant differences. I'd get started with the "Clean" program by Alejandro Junger. There are SO many things you can do. Empower yourself!!!

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on May 30, 2013
at 07:38 PM

Right now Avocadoes and fermented vegetables are my only source of carbs, so not that much. My rheumatoid arthritis is still active. FWIW. The diet definitely helps a ton, but it doesn't cure. Only help.

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on July 05, 2012
at 09:15 PM

you mean IU (international units).

D8195c5ae6c967027a3133d74969d0e1

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on May 12, 2011
at 09:47 PM

thanks Dexter, I do -generally I take 2000mg per day.

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on May 12, 2011
at 07:30 PM

For the aches and pains, if you were to supplement with Vit D3, those aches and pains may abate. Or walk with only shorts on...no shirt for 30 min and then cover up. Supplement with Vit D3 5000IU/day.

D8195c5ae6c967027a3133d74969d0e1

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on May 12, 2011
at 03:35 AM

ps - on Wolf's forum I posted "old age pipe issues and then some" - with wonderful responses back on Feb 27th of this yr - relatively new then - you might check out the responses there (I'm not so tech saavy to get a direct connect) :)

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on May 12, 2011
at 02:05 AM

thanks Dexter - nice resources, I need them too!

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on May 11, 2011
at 10:59 PM

Thank you, Rose. One can get the diagnosis and retain the right to decide which meds to ingest, if any. I've turned down some prescriptions, without repurcussions. One drawback to getting diagnosed may be the increased difficulty and cost of obtaining health insurance, but otherwise, not a problem. My docs are educated & experienced consultants to my health, while I am still in charge of it.

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on May 11, 2011
at 10:49 PM

I'm happy for you, Paleo Cafe, and I hope you can get off the meds someday. My rheumatologist was reluctant to give me a dx in large part because the meds are so awful.

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on May 11, 2011
at 09:42 PM

I agree, based on my own experience. I was pretty low-carb for a couple of years, but when I dropped to (virtually, of course, not possible absolutely) zero carb, my joint pain vanished. This was a total surprise to me, since I dropped the carbs strictly for weight loss at first. It's been two years, and I feel terrific. I do think VLC might be enough for some folks, but for whatever reason, it wasn't low enough for my body. (PS -- I never got an RA dx per se, but was seeing a rheumatologist and have elevated ANA plus other autoimmune indicators in addition to the symptoms.)

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06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on May 11, 2011
at 09:15 PM

Reducing red meat and fat is exactly the wrong approach. RA is an autoimmune disease that is triggered by eating neolithic foods...especially wheat products, sugar products. Meat and fat can alleviate the RA because you will be substituting fat and meat for the previously eaten neolithic carbs. A truly ketogenic diet consisting of 80% fat, 20% protein and very few carbs is the road you want to take

See the blog of Dr Davis http://www.trackyourplaque.com/blog He has many postings on the devastation wheat can do to the body.

This is a search for arthritis http://www.trackyourplaque.com/blog/?s=arthritis

Roam around his site and also search for wheat. Be sure you follow the links to previous postings at the bottom of the page.

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on May 11, 2011
at 09:42 PM

I agree, based on my own experience. I was pretty low-carb for a couple of years, but when I dropped to (virtually, of course, not possible absolutely) zero carb, my joint pain vanished. This was a total surprise to me, since I dropped the carbs strictly for weight loss at first. It's been two years, and I feel terrific. I do think VLC might be enough for some folks, but for whatever reason, it wasn't low enough for my body. (PS -- I never got an RA dx per se, but was seeing a rheumatologist and have elevated ANA plus other autoimmune indicators in addition to the symptoms.)

D8195c5ae6c967027a3133d74969d0e1

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on May 12, 2011
at 02:05 AM

thanks Dexter - nice resources, I need them too!

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on May 30, 2013
at 07:38 PM

Right now Avocadoes and fermented vegetables are my only source of carbs, so not that much. My rheumatoid arthritis is still active. FWIW. The diet definitely helps a ton, but it doesn't cure. Only help.

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on May 11, 2011
at 10:04 PM

Frankly, I now nearly ignore advice of medical professionals who treat my severe RA.

While I am still on pretty powerful RA meds, and hope to try giving up most or all someday, going paleo has made startling differences. I???m no scientist, so I can???t quote all the data, and I???m not strictly paleo (yet?), but I sure do enjoy a mouth-watering grass-fed ethically-raised juicy-red steak when I can ??? with NO adverse reactions whatsoever.

In fact, so far the only adverse reactions I???ve noticed were directly linked to recent consumption of grain-based anything, even though extremely rare for me these days.

D8a7a162b686e8dc8fab6ea1eda3b6aa

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on May 11, 2011
at 10:59 PM

Thank you, Rose. One can get the diagnosis and retain the right to decide which meds to ingest, if any. I've turned down some prescriptions, without repurcussions. One drawback to getting diagnosed may be the increased difficulty and cost of obtaining health insurance, but otherwise, not a problem. My docs are educated & experienced consultants to my health, while I am still in charge of it.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 11, 2011
at 10:49 PM

I'm happy for you, Paleo Cafe, and I hope you can get off the meds someday. My rheumatologist was reluctant to give me a dx in large part because the meds are so awful.

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on December 07, 2013
at 07:41 PM

I had a friend recently who got rid of his RA just buy going Paleo: no gluten whatsoever, no seed oils/margarine, reduced sugars. He added bone broth, organ meats, lots of veggies, fermented foods.

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on December 07, 2013
at 08:44 AM

What you eat can have a most significant effect on the course of this disease called rheumatoid arthritis. At the least, symptoms can be reduced and at best, the condition can be completely cured. Iron-rich meat may in any case be causing problems, as rheumatoid arthritis patients have difficulty in metabolizing this mineral. Read more: http://www.consumerhealthdigest.com/joint-pain/is-arthritis-treatment-diet-the-only-natural-hope-for-arthritis.html

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on August 02, 2013
at 05:02 AM

I've had RA for 17 years and have been Paleo for the last 18 months of it. I never had normal inflammation markers until 3.5 months into Paleo. I still take Enbrel, but am able to spread my shots out further.

We buy grass-fed beef from a local farm. We love it and I eat a lot of it! I've never cheated significantly on wheat or dairy in 18 months, but I suspect they make a big difference (so big, in fact, that I'm scared to cheat). I KNOW white potatoes and tomatoes are a big problem (white potatoes have a huge impact on my RA within 20 minutes, tomatoes give me hives).

I've gained over 60 pounds since my RA diagnosis, 40 of which came on in the first 2 months I was on steroids. I've lost 51 pounds on Paleo, which is a great bonus! I started a blog the day before I went Paleo. You're welcome to check it out.

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on August 02, 2013
at 04:28 PM

Thanks for sharing. Glad you are doing better. We actually got a diagnosis last year and found out it is not RA. She has a genetic disorder called Ehlers Danlos. It is a problem with processing collagen. She has been trying to change her diet, but has little willpower. She refuses to give up her Dew and bread. Being a bit of a southern belle she grew up eating bread with every meal. Baby Steps.

54f07a35caec9a736f7cbec8e2701b58

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on August 03, 2013
at 12:41 AM

Wow, that's a serious condition, from the little I know. I hope she is able to get a handle on it!

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on May 30, 2013
at 06:19 PM

I have severe RA and hypothyroidism. Being treated with Enbrel and Armour Thyroid. I am a 50 yr old femail and previously vigorously healthy. Starting a strict Paleo diet today and hoping that in a year or so, I can be drug free. Is it possible? Any thoughts or advise is so welcomed. Thanks, Sharon

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on May 30, 2013
at 07:40 PM

It is absolutely possible. Diet has an *enormous* impact (as you can see above), and there are herbs you can take, breathing exercises you can do, and cleansing programs you can do that make giant differences. I'd get started with the "Clean" program by Alejandro Junger. There are SO many things you can do. Empower yourself!!!

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on May 13, 2011
at 01:46 AM

wow, thank you for this. I have severe RA and I'm currently on mtx, prednisone, plaquenil, and have a box of enbrel in the frig that I'm supposed to be starting. I'd rather eat very strict paleo, thank you very much :)

I know grains and sugars bothers me but there is so much hype about meat being bad that I was a little leary of jumping in. But I've now decided, clear out of the deep end cuz I'm cannonballing right on in!

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on May 12, 2011
at 03:27 AM

I for one have always questioned the legitimacy of my diagnosis of RA - and didn't respond to meds for about 3yrs - I was on them all - until Enbrel finally brought relief - RA doesn't run in my family, and I'm a man (making it rarer still) - I self diagnosed my condition finally as sepsis poisoning from the hernia I was suffering from and had an operation to correct last summer when it threatened my life - I had the "r-factor" in my blood but after the operation I improved somewhat - last Feb - I went Paleo - full 100% - expecting to give it the 30 day challenge - and decided if I'm going so extreme - let's get rid of all dairy and nightshades, as well as the spicy peppers (cayenne and jalapeno) I love hot peppers - it's really hard for me to keep away from them! Stopped all white potatoes - although I eat about 1 yam a wk., - I have a few glasses of red wine on the wk ends (about 4 in all-usually), and will have some marinara sauce about once a wk - but only a small amount - your wife may not tolerate tomatoes either - coffee has been too difficult for me to let go of - and I think it might be responsible for some residual ache - but ache I can tolerate - a lot different from pain - and the ache motivates me to stay on this paleo binge - at first it was difficult for me to go from vegetarian to red meat - so I had about 3 meals of red meat the first wk - after each red meat meal my joints responded positively - so I increased the red meat - sometimes I'll overeat the ground red now - (yesterday I had a lb. for breakfast - after eating 3 eggs (eggs don't seem to bother me either) although I was off eggs for the first 2 wks - and really decided I was getting bored with the options, my arthritic pain is now non-existent - after 90 days - no meds for anything - haven't gone to the rheumatologist either! Occasionally I get an ache in the wrists - and high steps will get to my hips - not so that I want to take anything - and the depression that accompanied all of this has left (big deal! I mean amazing!) - I'm still a "work in progress" and am not giving "tweaking" - hoping to give up the coffee, I've lost 25 lbs - have lots of energy - and my body is a thousand times better - everyone notices that! These changes - especially getting the gluten out of my diet made all the difference to me! Hope this helps! Dr.K had some great advice on this! You might check out Robb Wolf's site (I consider him my paleo mentor) although I can't do the fitness stuff - I walk about 2-3 miles every other day - sometimes more often. Good Luck!

D8195c5ae6c967027a3133d74969d0e1

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on May 12, 2011
at 03:35 AM

ps - on Wolf's forum I posted "old age pipe issues and then some" - with wonderful responses back on Feb 27th of this yr - relatively new then - you might check out the responses there (I'm not so tech saavy to get a direct connect) :)

D8195c5ae6c967027a3133d74969d0e1

(543)

on May 12, 2011
at 09:47 PM

thanks Dexter, I do -generally I take 2000mg per day.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on May 12, 2011
at 07:30 PM

For the aches and pains, if you were to supplement with Vit D3, those aches and pains may abate. Or walk with only shorts on...no shirt for 30 min and then cover up. Supplement with Vit D3 5000IU/day.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on July 05, 2012
at 09:15 PM

you mean IU (international units).

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