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Arthritis and Eating Meat

Commented on September 29, 2014
Created June 10, 2013 at 3:37 AM

Hi all, I'm on day 12 of the paleo diet and feel like I'm going crazy with all the conflicting information I've been reading. I'm 44yo and have rheumatoid arthritis in my feet, shoulders, wrists, elbows and hands. There's been no improvement to the terrible pain.

When I Google what is a good diet for arthritis, most of the reports come back saying meat, particularly red meat, is a big no-no. Can anyone shed any light on how meat is now seen as a good thing for arthritis..?

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on September 29, 2014
at 06:17 AM

I too had experienced that taking red meat usually harms. While I came across a doctor of chiropractor in Panama City Florida, I knew the bad effects of red meat, before I used to ignore what I used to experience.

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on June 11, 2013
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My wife went on AIP back in 2005... she pretty much subsisted on salmon & green leafy veggies. No nightshades, eggs, dairy, peanuts, nuts, seeds, chocolate, bread, pasta, wheat, grains. Lots of fish oil... when off "standard meds". Her MD believes refined carbs, sugar.. even fruit are "the devil's calories". The change in diet has yielded great results; AI problems greatly reduced, much better body composition. She's 5'3" and down about 30lbs. My suggestion, don't try to find "optimal" immediately. Stay with what appears to be working. Keep it simple. Can't go wrong with wild salmon.

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on June 11, 2013
at 04:13 AM

Hi there, thanks for your reply. Yes, I neglected to mention in addition to paleo I'm also following the auto-immune protocol too (no nightshades, eggs, dairy, nuts, seeds, chocolate) as well as no citrus or dried fruits. We shall see..!

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at 09:02 PM

And in regards to the meat...You eat plenty of it on AIP

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Thank you so much for taking the time to answer Joe, and sorry to hear about your flare. Yes, I really must stop Googling as there seem to be so many conflicting autoimmune diets out there it's doing my head in a bit. I end up feeling I should just be restricting myself to water..! I've also been doing it tough without the meds, but think I will have to go back on them for a time while I deal with the new Paleo diet. Thanks again Joe. :)

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As background, I have psoriatic arthritis and have been a pure carnivore for the past 3.5 years.

In terms of why the article states that red meat is bad, I see two likely candidates: 1. General articles on arthritis have to include gout, which is believed to be aggravated by red meat. 2. Generic health advice these days is that red meat is bad.

This combination suggests it would be unlikely that an article would give red meat a positive reference.

I haven't seen anyone advance an argument that meat contains anything that is good for arthritis. My understanding is that the benefit comes what meat displaces from the diet. In particular, by removing foreign proteins in grains that can confuse the immune system and lead to autoimmune disease.

For me, I eat a lot of meat, mostly beef, and pain and inflammation is much improved over when I was on the SAD. About a year ago I could drop all of my meds (humira, naproxen, tramadol) for my arthritis. Unfortunately, a few months after that it began to flare and things were rather painful. Back on meds now, and things have improved. Not as good as where I was a year ago, but much better than I was ~4 years ago.

Is it possible that a diet that focused on mutton and pork would work better? Yep. But mutton is expensive where I live, and too much pork worries me with O6 load, so beef it is.

I'd suggest just ignoring anything you read (including the above message :-) and see how your body responds. If things are better, I'd go with it. If things are worse, I'd change things up. I think we have enough knowledge to suggest that paleo-ish diets improve immune problems (my allergies are also much improved), but not enough to be able to prescribe what exact form of paleo diet an individual should use.

joe

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on June 10, 2013
at 04:24 AM

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer Joe, and sorry to hear about your flare. Yes, I really must stop Googling as there seem to be so many conflicting autoimmune diets out there it's doing my head in a bit. I end up feeling I should just be restricting myself to water..! I've also been doing it tough without the meds, but think I will have to go back on them for a time while I deal with the new Paleo diet. Thanks again Joe. :)

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on June 11, 2013
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I have severe rhuematoid arthritis, and every time I eat red meat, or even poultry, my joints flare up BAD. No matter how organic, grass-fed or otherwise wholesome the meat is, it still flares up my joints.

Theories aside, that's my own experience.

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on June 10, 2013
at 09:01 PM

If I'm not mistaken, RA is an auto-immune problem. You might want to look into the AIP diet (Auto-immune protocol) There are many foods that can be causing you pain. Nightshades are a big one. But it could be eggs, nuts, seeds, or dairy. You might want to look at The Paleo Mom web site. She's got the low down on AIP. http://www.thepaleomom.com/autoimmunity/the-autoimmune-protocol

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on June 11, 2013
at 06:41 AM

My wife went on AIP back in 2005... she pretty much subsisted on salmon & green leafy veggies. No nightshades, eggs, dairy, peanuts, nuts, seeds, chocolate, bread, pasta, wheat, grains. Lots of fish oil... when off "standard meds". Her MD believes refined carbs, sugar.. even fruit are "the devil's calories". The change in diet has yielded great results; AI problems greatly reduced, much better body composition. She's 5'3" and down about 30lbs. My suggestion, don't try to find "optimal" immediately. Stay with what appears to be working. Keep it simple. Can't go wrong with wild salmon.

8f87879387f2a357db7c33008ff9a04a

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on June 10, 2013
at 09:02 PM

And in regards to the meat...You eat plenty of it on AIP

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on June 11, 2013
at 04:13 AM

Hi there, thanks for your reply. Yes, I neglected to mention in addition to paleo I'm also following the auto-immune protocol too (no nightshades, eggs, dairy, nuts, seeds, chocolate) as well as no citrus or dried fruits. We shall see..!

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