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What do you say when people say humans have adapted to eat milk/grain etc?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 05, 2011 at 10:43 PM

My family always bring up the subject and starts arguing against me when it comes to my diet ,when we are gathered. I always try to explain my diet with the argument that humans have eaten this diet for millions of years and that agriculture just have been around for 10 000 years. Then they always argue back that humans have evolved and adapted to eat grain and milk. They think 10 000 years is more than enough for the human body to adapt. What do you think about this? do you have any good "ammunition" I can fire back with? It`s soo frustrating to discuss with them, because they ignore all my arguments.

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on September 07, 2011
at 01:39 PM

I don`t eat diary. I think that an optimal omega 3/6 ratio and low carb got rid of the acne. I`m experimenting with the carbs in my diet. Now I`m around 50 g carbs a day, That seems to work good. If I eat too much omega 6 , like nuts etc. , I also get acne. I also think an optimal digestion is alfa omega for good skin. My digestion was really bad when I ate grains for example.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 07, 2011
at 10:09 AM

can you bring some refferences?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 07, 2011
at 10:07 AM

you tell on your profile. that you got away acne. Do you use any diary? What do you think get you rid of it?

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on September 06, 2011
at 07:27 PM

Love the Mat Lalonde arguments... watch the video it will help a lot!

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on September 06, 2011
at 03:25 PM

are you referring to the bell curve at the end of his talk? I was actually kind of surprised by that, and the fact that nobody has really mentioned it... His whole talk, which I enjoyed, was about being scientifically credible and then he ends with something that was seemingly completely random and not based on any facts.

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on September 06, 2011
at 10:46 AM

Your family is not completely incorrect. Some peoples have developed lactase persistence past the toddler stage and are able to drink milk (whether or not it is optimal is another question). I doubt we have adapted to gluten proteins (at least I haven't seen evidence for that). Also, today's wheat contains so much more gluten (10X as much) than wheat from 50-100 years ago. The dose has increased by a factor that may just be overwhelming for people that are sensitive to it.

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on September 05, 2011
at 11:59 PM

+1 Evolutionary adaptation occurs in relation to the strength of the selective pressure.

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on September 05, 2011
at 11:24 PM

You say they don't listen to your arguments, so what's the point? Just say you don't want to talk about it and leave it at that. No argument is more compelling than obvious, vibrant health.

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on September 05, 2011
at 11:09 PM

"i didn't....."

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on September 05, 2011
at 11:41 PM

Since you're Norwegian, you've actually had less than 10,000 years with grains in your diet. Remember, agriculture didn't happen all at once--it began in the Fertile Crescent, then slowly spread to Africa, Asia and Europe. The Roman Empire is the party at fault for the spread of agriculture in Europe, and even they didn't make it as far north as Scandinavia! That was as recently as 2,000 years ago. I've no doubt that Nordic peoples led a much simpler hunter/gatherer lifestyle for longer periods of time compared to the rest of Europe.

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on September 07, 2011
at 10:09 AM

can you bring some refferences?

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on September 05, 2011
at 11:13 PM

I think there is a spectrum. I'd suggest watching this Ancestral Health talk by Mat Lalonde - he addresses this question in the presentation."An organic chemist's perspective on paleo" http://vimeo.com/27570335

Another great talk to watch is the on on dairy, brings up some scary stuff about today's milk. 'Dairy hormones and human health' http://vimeo.com/27671369

D1728f99db66ff91d695a6df5cd38b02

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on September 06, 2011
at 07:27 PM

Love the Mat Lalonde arguments... watch the video it will help a lot!

4bf5827bfb7df85c5b4b485db0945e64

(1386)

on September 05, 2011
at 11:59 PM

+1 Evolutionary adaptation occurs in relation to the strength of the selective pressure.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on September 06, 2011
at 03:25 PM

are you referring to the bell curve at the end of his talk? I was actually kind of surprised by that, and the fact that nobody has really mentioned it... His whole talk, which I enjoyed, was about being scientifically credible and then he ends with something that was seemingly completely random and not based on any facts.

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on September 06, 2011
at 04:28 AM

For me personally, if I can tell it will fall on deaf ears I really don't bother. However, if some one genuinely seems interested I tell them this... which is total TMI and it usually shuts them up if they are being snarky... My whole family is gassy. Not even like oop a lil fart like stinky nastiness that is truly embarrassing. I too was plagued with the problem up until I started paleo. When I started paleo the first week I think I farted just 2 times daily. 2 times!! It was glorious, I am ashamed to even think how much I broke wind before paleo. After playing with paleo for a while I have found that I don't have much problems with legumes but all problems with dairy and wheat (not that I encourage legume consumption) and through this have realized what gives my body problems. Anyways, my point is tell them your story with it. What changes have these things made in YOUR diet that have bettered your health. You can give them the science after that cause they won't care till they see some results. :) Goodluck showing those grain heads whats up!

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on September 06, 2011
at 12:25 AM

You probably won't convince them, no matter how brilliant your arguments or how compelling your evidence. Over time, when you are lean, strong, and fit; and they are fat, weak, and sick, the evidence in front of them may get them to reassess. Unfortunately, most people, when confronted by such evidence, will still pretend that their eyes deceive them. Paleo is much too much of a leap for most people in Western societies.

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on September 05, 2011
at 11:41 PM

Well, for one, you can say that industrial grains and milk are not remotely like the grains and milk your ancestors may have adapted to! See Michael Rose's 55 theses for more good stuff.

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on September 06, 2011
at 10:41 AM

If they are not interested in learning...don't bother. Even on the reservation where diabetes, renal failure, dialysis, diabetes related amputations, etc... are an epidemic many simply aren't interested in learning. And the American Indian, some Celtic peoples, Nordic people, etc... are NOT adapted, 200-600 years simply isn't long enough for natural selection to kill off those who can't adapt before they get to pass on their DNA and modern medicine stops natural selection anyway.

Just be as healthy as you can and do what I do, even though they aren't interested so I don't bother trying to tell them, they ALL want to tell me how not eating pizza pasta, bean bread, fry bread, etc... is unhealthy for me I point out my own excellent health and say, "what I'm doing is working for me." Then I point out their health and fitness level and say, "and the fry bread isn't working for you."

Otherwise, when they aren't trying to "educate" me...I just leave it alone.

Why the obese and unhealthy feel the need to educate us about how to eat and exercise, I'll never understand.

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