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Are you an Archevore? Or a modern Paleo?

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Created April 12, 2011 at 1:51 PM

I appreciate Dr. Harris's recent stance on Paleo (Paleo 2.0) and I love his new classification(http://www.archevore.com/archevore/).

I'm interested to see who is an archevore, and who tries to imitate the Paleo-human in modern times and why.

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on April 13, 2011
at 11:26 PM

sure... my 63 year old cancer-surviving dad was nearly immobile and 350+ at the beginning of the year. he's now 290(and getting about 3lbs smaller a week) and moving better than he has in a decade. i'm excited to see where he'll be by summer :-).

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on April 13, 2011
at 10:06 PM

does it sound to anyone else like "whore"? is it just me... :-/

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on April 13, 2011
at 10:05 PM

Could you share the "near miraculous"? it's always good to hear great story!

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on April 13, 2011
at 12:58 AM

I like how the I eat chocolate comes first :)

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on April 12, 2011
at 09:08 PM

I'm with you gilliebean. I've been using nutritionally-dense a lot more often than paleo these days when describing my diet to those who are curious. My current office mate is still a bit perplexed at how I lost so much weight as he watches me eat a pound of beef at lunch.

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on April 12, 2011
at 09:03 PM

He could call it the Fuzzy Wampeter of Nutritional Density Deliciousness for all I care. His logic and reasoning are what sells it.

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

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on April 12, 2011
at 08:57 PM

P.S. I totally agree with you about the "vore".

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

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on April 12, 2011
at 08:56 PM

LOL! Deal! More chocolate for me. ;)

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on April 12, 2011
at 08:19 PM

This is pretty much where I am as well.

B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

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on April 12, 2011
at 06:24 PM

Paleo + recipe weary has yeilded many fine ideas, then I take out the sugar that someone slipped in, and make a delicious dish!

4d10a09dadeb266681418f5fe06c3f00

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on April 12, 2011
at 04:38 PM

well-said, sir...

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

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on April 12, 2011
at 03:17 PM

P.S. I like to call the way I eat Nutritionally-dense Real Food.

B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

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on April 12, 2011
at 02:53 PM

and very little beats out good results!

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

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on April 12, 2011
at 02:20 PM

Thanks Ben. Hoped you'd enjoy. ;)

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at 02:17 PM

Love it! Haha! Thanks gilliebean.

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A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

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on April 12, 2011
at 01:59 PM

I am girl. I eat chocolate. I supplement with animal fats and some fleshy bits. I add vegetables for color.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7314)

on April 13, 2011
at 12:58 AM

I like how the I eat chocolate comes first :)

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

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on April 12, 2011
at 02:17 PM

Love it! Haha! Thanks gilliebean.

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

(13978)

on April 12, 2011
at 03:17 PM

P.S. I like to call the way I eat Nutritionally-dense Real Food.

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on April 12, 2011
at 09:08 PM

I'm with you gilliebean. I've been using nutritionally-dense a lot more often than paleo these days when describing my diet to those who are curious. My current office mate is still a bit perplexed at how I lost so much weight as he watches me eat a pound of beef at lunch.

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

(13978)

on April 12, 2011
at 02:20 PM

Thanks Ben. Hoped you'd enjoy. ;)

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on April 12, 2011
at 02:03 PM

I follow most (10 of 12) of the dietary recommendations on Dr. Harris's site. I don't really care what he's calling it these days, not being interested in labels.

95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on April 12, 2011
at 09:03 PM

He could call it the Fuzzy Wampeter of Nutritional Density Deliciousness for all I care. His logic and reasoning are what sells it.

E7dc4f2e3998906dd3213973a3c10d50

on April 12, 2011
at 08:19 PM

This is pretty much where I am as well.

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B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

on April 12, 2011
at 03:00 PM

I'm here in Paleo-land to optimize my health.

I favor good results and science over re-enactment, but have found most of my starting clues from evolutionary history.

However, I've never thought that everything neolithic must perforce be neolethal.

Dr. Harris' approach fits my style, and so I follow his sage advice.

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on April 12, 2011
at 02:49 PM

I think we need a prominent voice of Paleo like Dr Harris to take the lead on the current face of Paleo. We've all been tossing around the idea of what to call this way of eating (and in some respects... way of living) for quite a while.

Here's a thread from a Chris Kresser post about Paleo from several months back. This was before I was even on PaleoHacks at all. You can even see below that lots of people chimed in and we had a pretty worthy discussion.

http://thehealthyskeptic.org/is-paleo-even-paleo-and-does-it-even-matter/comment-page-1#comment-171897630

But nobody was stepping up. Then Dr Harris finally grabs the bull by the horns and makes a couple of bold suggestions. And like all "out on a limb" suggestions, it's bound to be loved by some and hated by others, but that's the nature of the beast, no?

I think that whatever we all choose to call it, it won't really change what we do. We eat the healthiest foods based on what's currently available to us in modern times and what's currently understood to be most beneficial to the body. If the "Paleoheads" want to have a conference call to nail down a rebranding then that might work... like if Harris, Stephan, Kresser, CMast, Sisson, Wolf, and whoever else gets in on it and wants to hash it out and make an executive decision, then I'd say they are the folks with the largest 'sway' on this community.

Right now, Dr Kurt Harris made two bold and direct moves. Paleo 2.0 and Archevore. That's where we're at right now. But I think PaleoHacks as a group is a pretty loud voice too. So if someone else on here wants to step up and make somethin happen, then do it.

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on April 12, 2011
at 02:38 PM

The main reason I call myself paleo is because the word makes for an easy search term for anyone who's interested in what I'm doing. All the other variants can be found and researched from there.

B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

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on April 12, 2011
at 06:24 PM

Paleo + recipe weary has yeilded many fine ideas, then I take out the sugar that someone slipped in, and make a delicious dish!

4d10a09dadeb266681418f5fe06c3f00

(115)

on April 12, 2011
at 04:38 PM

well-said, sir...

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on April 12, 2011
at 02:25 PM

i am probably adherent more to the panu/paleo 2.0/archevore protocol than i am of any of the others. it's given me and the people i love results ranging from great to damn near miraculous.

B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

(10778)

on April 12, 2011
at 02:53 PM

and very little beats out good results!

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on April 13, 2011
at 10:05 PM

Could you share the "near miraculous"? it's always good to hear great story!

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on April 13, 2011
at 11:26 PM

sure... my 63 year old cancer-surviving dad was nearly immobile and 350+ at the beginning of the year. he's now 290(and getting about 3lbs smaller a week) and moving better than he has in a decade. i'm excited to see where he'll be by summer :-).

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on April 13, 2011
at 04:39 AM

The only problem with labels (nouns, words...) is when people use the same label to mean different things. I think "Archevore" has the benefit that the word was created by a living person who has defined it (doctored Greek aside) clearly, so it makes a fine label for those who eat that way. "Primal Blueprint" has the same advantage. You can't say "Paleo Diet" now without qualifying which one. And I won't say "Paleo Solution" because it seems doubtful to me that it is either.

I think most of us are in pursuit of the Optimal Human Diet, but we have far to go before we discover what that is. Or was. We may have already screwed up the food chain so much that we'll never be able to reach (or return to?) optimal.

We could not communicate without labels. I love them. Use them with care.

Did you know chocolate is a fermented food?

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on April 12, 2011
at 10:37 PM

I don't really care for the labels either. They get hyped and commercialized and trendy and then I feel kind of silly for using them. I just tell people I eat meat, fish, fruits and vegetables and leave it at that.

I supposed labels are a necessary evil though.

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on April 12, 2011
at 09:25 PM

"propervore"?

"orthovore"?

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95eda9fa0cec952b482e869c34a566b6

on April 12, 2011
at 09:00 PM

I'm inclined toward Dr. Harris's thinking, but I really don't care for labels. I've stopped calling it paleo when I explain to people how I eat. I just explain why I eat what I eat, and why I don't eat certain things. (I only offer this when asked. My soapbox broke and I can't afford a new one. ;-) )

Everything neolithic isn't lethal and everything under the paleo umbrella doesn't equal a panacea.

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on April 12, 2011
at 08:51 PM

I don't like the "...vore" construction; people around here call themselves "locavores" and it bugs me. It just sounds really pretentious.

Other than that I'm pretty much with gilliebean, although I would sat I eat the fats and fleshy bits, and supplement with chocolate.

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

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on April 12, 2011
at 08:56 PM

LOL! Deal! More chocolate for me. ;)

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

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on April 12, 2011
at 08:57 PM

P.S. I totally agree with you about the "vore".

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on April 13, 2011
at 10:06 PM

does it sound to anyone else like "whore"? is it just me... :-/

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on April 16, 2011
at 08:56 PM

I'm proof you can live off steak and chocolate Gilliebean!! <3 it!

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on April 13, 2011
at 09:53 PM

I AM TRYING TO BECOME AN ARCHEVORE: http://livinprimal.blogspot.com

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