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New to Palelo- Anxiety

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 24, 2011 at 8:00 PM

I'm new to Paleo-- It will be 1 month in a few days. My Dr has recommended this diet with a no sugars (maple, honey, agave, etc), no fruit, no starchy veggie restriction. I'm to eat 40g or less of carbs, 50g or less of protein and get the bulk of my calories from fats. I do eat dairy. I've been sticking to these guidelines pretty closely. I've rarely gone over the carbs, but I've gone over the protein a few times by 15-25 g

Anyway, I feel like I've been extra anxious lately and I'm having trouble distinguishing whether or not that's owing singularly to the fact that I AM in a stressful season at the moment, or it the new diet habits are contributing. My anxious i mean the anxious/ panic feeling and elevated heart rate, etc. I just feel like I'm not handling things as well as I might. Is there something I might be doing wrong? Could the protein/ carb/ fat ratios be making things worse? I want to be sure that I've given a good go at figuring it out myself before calling my Dr. He's a naturopath and not covered by my insurance, so I'd rather not spend the money to talk with him if I don't have to. Any thoughts on how Paleo might impact anxiety would be appreciated. If it's a beginning thing, does it generally go away after a while?

Bcad307b240275ae3f5820ba6eb4a712

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on June 25, 2011
at 01:23 PM

YES! I had the same thing with caffeine. Anxiety every day, panic attacks once in awhile, and I had never had that kind of stuff, previously. I stopped the coffee, and bam. Gone. Haven't had any problems since.

03f2fb1c6cc60da437adc85027c8a89e

(50)

on June 25, 2011
at 06:00 AM

This has really helped me, thanks, I've been through the exact same thing

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on June 25, 2011
at 02:02 AM

torso! See ya'!

06325b762f78a2b8aaa977161cca4a1f

(539)

on June 25, 2011
at 01:13 AM

Previous diet, sleep patterns, sun exposure (d3) and general emotional stability should definitely be some of the first things to consider. Lowcarb flu unveiled some debilitating anxiety for me... I got over it by mindfulness practices (primarily), really focusing on what my body *wanted* (with paleo ideology in mind), and keeping myself motivated with reminders about my ultimate health goals. Good luck; hope this was hopeful or at least relevant :P

47fbd704c0392c2f38e86a72f1a06c6c

(346)

on June 25, 2011
at 12:26 AM

It seemed to be indicated to me that if I do have it, I'm in the very early stages and not symptomatic enough... But that was the opinion of the naturopath. I've not asked my GP yet.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 24, 2011
at 11:20 PM

@peter: My info may be old now. Hopefully so, will check it out more too. In the past, in reading quite abit about it, it was very, very uneven, with no controls. Thanks for the heads up, Peter. +1 for you for giving me new info to check out.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on June 24, 2011
at 10:36 PM

mem, i disagree. i have heard decaf has about 1-2% of the caffeine of normal coffee. this site says that US regulations say it must have 97.5 of the caffeine taken out - coffeefaq.com/site/node/50. i could be wrong though, it has happened before

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on June 24, 2011
at 10:35 PM

mem, i disagree. i have heard decaf has about 1-2% of the caffeine of normal coffee. this site says that US regulations say it much have 97.5 of the caffeine taken out - http://coffeefaq.com/site/node/50. i could be wrong though, it has happened before

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 24, 2011
at 10:24 PM

@BAMBAM: Very much agree. I have high anxiety and always have. I was also very sick back when I changed my diet. I took 8-10GM high quality O-3s for many months + very high quality multi. I stabilized at 2-3GMS O-3 which I still take (since 02) +5000 D3, 400-600 mag citrate (mostly lower dose) +zinc. HUGE impact on stress tol as well as 99% remission autoimmune stuff, etc. Believe that O3 esp huge in healing deranged metabol. No hard "evidence" just my exp.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 24, 2011
at 10:17 PM

@Matt: =1 one for great, detailed info that could help many.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 24, 2011
at 10:04 PM

@Albert: +1 for an important quesiton.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 24, 2011
at 10:04 PM

@Erin: BE aware that decaffeining coffee is very imprecise. Decaf coffee can range anywhere between 10% less than normal caff and, say, 95% less. Highly variable.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 24, 2011
at 10:00 PM

@Erin: Does your insurance cover *any* lab testing? If it does, mitichodrial disorder testing is standard allopathic stuff and can uncover serious disorders and there is no reason it would *not* be covered by insurance that covers other labs. ???

47fbd704c0392c2f38e86a72f1a06c6c

(346)

on June 24, 2011
at 09:05 PM

I have it once or twice a week, Maybe. I do drink decaf coffee more frequently.

47fbd704c0392c2f38e86a72f1a06c6c

(346)

on June 24, 2011
at 09:04 PM

Not that I know of.

47fbd704c0392c2f38e86a72f1a06c6c

(346)

on June 24, 2011
at 08:15 PM

I have undiagnosed issues.Unexplained and perplexing Muscle weakness and pain. I've been tested for all sorts of things. They are thinking perhaps a mitochondrial disorder, but the testing is $$ and not covered by my insurance. He thinks the diet will help me feel better. So far I haven't felt much difference.

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E3fed67c3d0f4e1f4c4cf8f0748c7228

(96)

on June 24, 2011
at 08:42 PM

I'll share my personal experience thus far, and maybe some of it will be reassuring for you if not entirely informative.

I started VLC Paleo last October (High fat/med protein/very low carb). I started losing weight, went through the low carb flu, was tired a lot and brain fogged..and after a little over a month or so I started to feel better. However I found myself, getting what could be described as panic attacks or severe anxiety. (I've never been prone to anxiety or feelings of impending doom, but here it was). Through November and December I battled with trying to pin down the cause, changing around my supplements..adjust carbs and protein.....

Finally I found that for me, it was Primarily Caffeine related (and possibly some related to Tea Tree Oil Toothpaste I was using).

On the SAD I was a pot a day coffee drinker, and other than some sleep issues, never had a problem with it. However, after a bit of time with Paleo eating my body has become much more efficient at processing things..alcohol, caffeine, sugar, etc...

I've since found that I can personally tolerate about 2 cups of green tea, or 1 cup of coffee or black tea without getting jittery and anxious (I'm 5'9" 210lbs male). Similar with alcohol now..more than 2 hard drinks and I'm drunk and similarly can feel anxious and uncomfortable.

Increasing starches and carbs to around 150 does seem to alleviate the sensitivity for some reason, but stalls out my weight loss, so it's a balancing act.

I would suggest looking closely at any stimulants you're taking currently, and find a way to reduce them: (nicotine, caffeine, sugar, etc..)

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 24, 2011
at 10:17 PM

@Matt: =1 one for great, detailed info that could help many.

03f2fb1c6cc60da437adc85027c8a89e

(50)

on June 25, 2011
at 06:00 AM

This has really helped me, thanks, I've been through the exact same thing

Bcad307b240275ae3f5820ba6eb4a712

(923)

on June 25, 2011
at 01:23 PM

YES! I had the same thing with caffeine. Anxiety every day, panic attacks once in awhile, and I had never had that kind of stuff, previously. I stopped the coffee, and bam. Gone. Haven't had any problems since.

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0a2dd50f2d3951bf3fb83fc4638c9512

(1960)

on June 24, 2011
at 08:25 PM

Erin -- forgive this if it's a silly question, but where are you with caffeine?

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 24, 2011
at 10:04 PM

@Albert: +1 for an important quesiton.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on June 24, 2011
at 10:35 PM

mem, i disagree. i have heard decaf has about 1-2% of the caffeine of normal coffee. this site says that US regulations say it much have 97.5 of the caffeine taken out - http://coffeefaq.com/site/node/50. i could be wrong though, it has happened before

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on June 24, 2011
at 10:36 PM

mem, i disagree. i have heard decaf has about 1-2% of the caffeine of normal coffee. this site says that US regulations say it must have 97.5 of the caffeine taken out - coffeefaq.com/site/node/50. i could be wrong though, it has happened before

47fbd704c0392c2f38e86a72f1a06c6c

(346)

on June 24, 2011
at 09:05 PM

I have it once or twice a week, Maybe. I do drink decaf coffee more frequently.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 24, 2011
at 10:04 PM

@Erin: BE aware that decaffeining coffee is very imprecise. Decaf coffee can range anywhere between 10% less than normal caff and, say, 95% less. Highly variable.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 24, 2011
at 11:20 PM

@peter: My info may be old now. Hopefully so, will check it out more too. In the past, in reading quite abit about it, it was very, very uneven, with no controls. Thanks for the heads up, Peter. +1 for you for giving me new info to check out.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 25, 2011
at 12:25 AM

Up your carbs: fruit, potatoes, etc. Your problem is probably high cortisol. That's my opinion. Try it and see if the anxiety levels diminish.

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226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on June 24, 2011
at 08:44 PM

Mood swings often coincide with blood sugar swings, thus your anxiety. It took me two weeks to stabilize my blood sugar to the point where I didn't feel anxious and hungry. After that it was easy. The trick is to eat veggies and drink H20 throughout the day. Up your protein intake as well because protein helps stabilize blood sugar.

Overall, you really have to focus on getting past this first few weeks or months of correction and detoxification. Give your body time. It knows how to heal itself. You just have to flood it with the right materials it needs to perform its miracles.

Eat foods high in antioxidants like salmon, blueberries and green tea.

Take high doses of vitamin C, D and Omega 3 supplements. This will reduce oxidative stress and inflammation in your body which in turn helps lower stress hormone levels like cortisol and adrenaline that are fueling your anxiety.

Hang in there.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 24, 2011
at 10:24 PM

@BAMBAM: Very much agree. I have high anxiety and always have. I was also very sick back when I changed my diet. I took 8-10GM high quality O-3s for many months + very high quality multi. I stabilized at 2-3GMS O-3 which I still take (since 02) +5000 D3, 400-600 mag citrate (mostly lower dose) +zinc. HUGE impact on stress tol as well as 99% remission autoimmune stuff, etc. Believe that O3 esp huge in healing deranged metabol. No hard "evidence" just my exp.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on June 25, 2011
at 02:02 AM

torso! See ya'!

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1fc9c11cf23b2f62ac78979de933ad83

(2435)

on June 24, 2011
at 08:09 PM

You can eat more protein than that if you want to.

I think it's the coming down off the sugar addiction. I've been gnawing at my fingernails like crazy the past week, and I think it's the crazy withdrawal kicking in.

Why did he recommend this diet? If you have no medical disorder and not a ton of weight to lose, healthy starches are perfectly okay. Root vegetables primarily.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 24, 2011
at 10:00 PM

@Erin: Does your insurance cover *any* lab testing? If it does, mitichodrial disorder testing is standard allopathic stuff and can uncover serious disorders and there is no reason it would *not* be covered by insurance that covers other labs. ???

47fbd704c0392c2f38e86a72f1a06c6c

(346)

on June 25, 2011
at 12:26 AM

It seemed to be indicated to me that if I do have it, I'm in the very early stages and not symptomatic enough... But that was the opinion of the naturopath. I've not asked my GP yet.

47fbd704c0392c2f38e86a72f1a06c6c

(346)

on June 24, 2011
at 08:15 PM

I have undiagnosed issues.Unexplained and perplexing Muscle weakness and pain. I've been tested for all sorts of things. They are thinking perhaps a mitochondrial disorder, but the testing is $$ and not covered by my insurance. He thinks the diet will help me feel better. So far I haven't felt much difference.

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13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on June 26, 2011
at 01:47 AM

possibles to check - vitamin D, thyroid and ferritin levels. Also salicylate sensitivity:

http://forums.phoenixrising.me/showthread.php?7653-Non-Standard-Anti-Anxiety-Treatment/page2

This forum may have some input on the undiagnosed issues: http://www.salicylatesensitivity.com/forum/

for example, sals and mitochondrial issues: http://salicylatesensitivity.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1266&page=1#Item_0

This last possibilities I can think of is that you could be sensitive to casein or to very small amounts of gluten. (Dairy has phenolic compounds and phenols are a kind of salicylate.)

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C2502365891cbcc8af2d1cf1d7b0e9fc

(2437)

on June 24, 2011
at 10:47 PM

Could it be candida die-off?

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 24, 2011
at 08:41 PM

I suggest eating fruit again and following your instict on what to eat and when, but with Paleo guidelines, and continue to try and eat mostly fat.

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C0682620728416c9bdf5d3e7d8386a65

on June 24, 2011
at 08:13 PM

Erin, Do you have PCOS?

47fbd704c0392c2f38e86a72f1a06c6c

(346)

on June 24, 2011
at 09:04 PM

Not that I know of.

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