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How bad are hormones and antibiotics in conventional meat?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created December 03, 2011 at 12:01 AM

Every time I read something about paleo on a budget I read something along the lines that conventional meat is still a good choice and that probably the best is to focus on lean cuts.

Yet, I am not persuaded. Apart from the omega-6/omega-3 imbalance, what are the known effects of growth hormones and antibiotics on the human body? Are there any studies saying that this stuff is safe? Do we know anything about it?

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on June 02, 2014
at 01:08 PM

Ask a new question if you want new answers. These old questions don't get the same interest as new questions do.

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on June 02, 2014
at 11:33 AM

This is exactly the question I am trying to find the answer to - and it is the main reason that keeps me off from trying paleo.

Any thoughts?

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on December 04, 2011
at 05:18 PM

Yeah, it's probably totally different than a drug. I'm not sure it's a fair comparison, really, but it does give one pause.

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on December 04, 2011
at 04:05 AM

Actually, they don't, but the guys at my health food store do. I prefer coconut oil myself, which knows not to kill good bacteria yet is a great antibiotic, antifungal, antimicrobial, and what-have-you. Admittedly, oil of oregano does have some impressive health benefits, but I would stick to using it topically or as a mouthwash, and only if diluted and rinsed out well with saltwater afterwards.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on December 03, 2011
at 09:58 PM

And just to play Devil's advocate, do any of those same bloggers you've mentioned recommend taking oil of oregano, or garlic for their antibiotic properties? The amount of antibiotic power in these extracts is probably much larger than what traces would be found in meat, and they are reputed to be "broad-spectrum".

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on December 03, 2011
at 09:46 PM

Growth hormone is digested, so it doesn't make it into your body intact, much to the disappointment of many, who would love to take it that way. You have to take it by injection.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on December 03, 2011
at 09:17 PM

That should say "not automatically so", of course.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on December 03, 2011
at 09:16 PM

Like luckybastard, I would want to see some reproducible effect in humans before I would draw conclusions about it. And on a personal note, I am healthier than I have ever been on my current diet, which is nearly 100% meat, almost exclusively CAFO for financial reasons. It's not that I wouldn't prefer to support good farming, and it's something I'm intending to prioritize when possible, but my first priority is feeding myself and family in a way that makes us healthy, and CAFO meat beats vegetables for us hands down.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on December 03, 2011
at 09:12 PM

Voice of reason. I don't deny that there may be problems with contaminants in meat, but it's automatically so just because of what the animals have been given. For example, the controversy over antibiotics in meat is whether it creates resistant strains, not on whether there is an effect on the meat. And as far as I understand, the levels of hormones in meat are within normal ranges even when the animal was supplemented with hormones.

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on December 03, 2011
at 08:45 PM

my parents lost a ton of weight and my father came off all of his meds on conventional meat while losing 100lbs. it would take a lot of convincing for me to be told that it's physiologically harmful.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

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on December 03, 2011
at 08:33 PM

i know the answer to the last question. it's much better- infinitely better than eating the other crap. that's why i recommend it for people who can't afford or don't have access, enrico.

9dd0c8a268969f6f55d52bddd9af0c72

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on December 03, 2011
at 08:32 PM

I think this is a fundamental point and actually the real reason I asked the question in the first place. Apart from common sense, do we have any studies demonstrating this stuff is bad? Also, assuming it is bad, how bad is it, let's say, compared to eating grains or PUFA or other junk?

9dd0c8a268969f6f55d52bddd9af0c72

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on December 03, 2011
at 08:29 PM

I think this is also a very good point but paleo experts should make it clear what are the dangers (and ethical implications) left by eating conventional meat.

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on December 03, 2011
at 08:28 PM

i have no idea. here's a question for you. have you observed anyone be sick with cafo meat being the main suspect? would you tell people who don't have access to grassfed meat not to eat it?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 08:11 PM

and who is going to fund these studies?

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on December 03, 2011
at 07:55 PM

I can't afford grassfed meat so conventional for me. I just don't think it could be that bad.

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on December 03, 2011
at 07:40 PM

Yeah, I laughed at a guy that told me people not taking a full run of antibiotics are what's causing the resistant superbugs. There's boatloads more antibiotics in factory farming that's contributing to it. If all humans stopped taking antibiotics, it wouldn't substantially affect resistance IMHO, because we're getting low levels in the food...

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 03, 2011
at 07:40 PM

Here's a link to an online petition asking for a ban: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/filthyfeed/

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on December 03, 2011
at 07:26 PM

I don't think we endorse it but are afraid of turning people off of paleo right out of the gate. I understand that. I think people starting out should get a 6 month pass to be paleo and CAFO meat eating. After that you are deemed paleo faileo. I really think we need to tighten up on this one. It's a huge problem and we need to be more honest about it with ourselves and others.

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on December 03, 2011
at 06:59 PM

GREAT question Enrico.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 06:46 PM

yikes, I didn't know it was still legal! I suspect a whole lot of people will have to die of birdflu before they realize their mistake...just because they can eat it doesn't mean it's not out their mutating in the muck

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 06:45 PM

That's once of the reasons I started meatshare. I helped farmers sell their animals and they gave me a commission in return in the form of free meat.

C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:13 PM

i think it would be a good idea to address this in a 'paleo primer' type basic paleo 101 thing...it is really important and underemphasized

C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:11 PM

volunteering at farms, Melissa, thats the best idea youve ever had...im gonna look into that!!!

C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:10 PM

would like to know more about the k....

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on December 03, 2011
at 03:36 PM

Oh, and for those who eat dairy, avoiding products from cows treated with hormones is a great idea--especially if you value your fertility.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on December 03, 2011
at 03:34 PM

Because they don't know any better. One class in "Animal Science" at Ag school was enough to make me glad I was a vegetarian at the time--and now it is great incentive to avoid all CAFO-meat.

9dd0c8a268969f6f55d52bddd9af0c72

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on December 03, 2011
at 02:53 PM

Thank you all for your very insightful answers! So, I don't understand: why do paleo people endorse conventional meat?

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on December 03, 2011
at 01:58 PM

Cattle can eat a lot of "inedible" things (chicken crap, newspaper, urea, *grass*) because they are ruminants and actually subsist off their gut bacteria.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 03, 2011
at 08:02 AM

Here's a link to an article about feeding chicken manure to cattle: http://thebovine.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/u-s-cattle-being-fed-chicken-manure/ And another: http://www.pickle-publishing.com/papers/chicken-litter-animal-feed.htm The practice is banned in Canada but not in the US.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 03, 2011
at 07:57 AM

Sorry for any confusion. I meant their own feces. And the phrase "(barely) alive" was sarcasm--not my best answer but the conditions were horrible when I drove by. However, I've read articles that more and more farmers are feeding their herds "processed" chicken manure. Let's hope it's well processed!

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 03:35 AM

That's what I've always done. That's how I got into eating tubers. I was making 10,000 a year! But I did get a lot of meat through things like bartering and volunteering with farms.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 03:34 AM

Their own feces are not as bad as chicken feces. Not great, but not the worst thing. Chicken feces = spread diseases like bird flu!

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 03:34 AM

I thought you were saying they were in chicken feces. They are wallowing in their own feces.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 03:33 AM

Well, it's not Chicken feces.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on December 03, 2011
at 03:03 AM

I've actually wrestled with this, because feedlot beef really makes me feel rotten. My gums itch and throb after eating it -- I would rather not eat any beef if that's all I could have. I'm incredibly, amazingly, and gratefully fortunate to be able to afford at least pastured ground beef and bones regularly.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on December 03, 2011
at 02:03 AM

Do feedlots have the lots mucked out, Melissa? I'm not familiar with practices. I just know the feedlots have an unholy stench down Route 5 in California.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on December 03, 2011
at 01:52 AM

I would argue the same thing. And that's what I would do if I had to.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 03, 2011
at 12:58 AM

Hey, when driving from Wisconsin to Nevada I've driven by miles of such lots. The animals are standing in a mixture of mud and feces and they are so crowded they're touching.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 12:56 AM

"Since beef are in conditions that could be considered worse, since they're walking around in the stuff that usually falls out the bottom of the chicken cages, they are REALLY contaminated and sickly." What? That's definitely not legal. I'm definitely against factory farming, but that's not what happens.

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13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

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on December 03, 2011
at 02:58 AM

I know this is not a popular stance in the paleo community, but if I couldn't afford grassfed/pastured meats I would just stop eating meat--or buy as much pastured/grassfed meat as I could afford and only have it once or twice a week. I'd use canned wild-caught salmon and tuna to supplement my otherwise vegetarian diet with traditionally prepared legumes making up the difference. I'd still avoid grains.

There are so many problems with conventionally raised meats which others here have already done a great job of delineating. That's what attracted me to vegetarianism in the first place. It was the availability of grassfed/pastured meat that convinced me to go back to eating meat.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on December 03, 2011
at 03:03 AM

I've actually wrestled with this, because feedlot beef really makes me feel rotten. My gums itch and throb after eating it -- I would rather not eat any beef if that's all I could have. I'm incredibly, amazingly, and gratefully fortunate to be able to afford at least pastured ground beef and bones regularly.

C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:11 PM

volunteering at farms, Melissa, thats the best idea youve ever had...im gonna look into that!!!

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 03:35 AM

That's what I've always done. That's how I got into eating tubers. I was making 10,000 a year! But I did get a lot of meat through things like bartering and volunteering with farms.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 06:45 PM

That's once of the reasons I started meatshare. I helped farmers sell their animals and they gave me a commission in return in the form of free meat.

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 12:59 AM

I think it's pretty telling that Don Mastesz of Primal Wisdom wrote a Paleo on a Budget series where he was an apologist for hormone/antibiotic use in factory farmed animals and their use in a budget paleo diet. Six months later, he said "farewell to paleo" because he and his wife were feeling sick on their diet. His wife is now completely against eating meat. It's no wonder, given what they were eating, the things she says are true.

It's pretty hard to study the effects of these things on humans though and that's why Don's original posts are so deceptively appealing. Who is going to fund such a study? But the few studies that exist on pastured hormone/antibiotic free meat demonstrate its superiority. And if you are what you eat, do you want to eat an animal plumped up by antibiotics so it can survive in a cesspool? Out of precaution, I'd prefer not to eat that, at least very often. Then there is the ethical issue, which is also important to me.

But you could look at all the studies that show meat is bad for you as an indictment of factory-farmed meat. There are a great many of them. Too bad it's hard to fund competing studies using grass-fed meat. Most of the universities doing this type of research are corporate-funded.

The precautionary principle is the driving force of regulation in the EU, which has prohibited many of the things we do to animals here, such as artificial hormones and non-therapeutic antibiotics. The health effects of these are not limited to the consumer of the actual beef, as antibiotic resistance in microbes and hormones in water are environmental problems. American beef is BANNED in Europe. Lower on the thread, someone brought up the fact that hormones/antibiotics are the tip of the iceberg and cows are being fed waste from factory farmed chickens, which is also filled with hormones/antibiotics. The US meat system is a recipe for disaster.

Chris Kressler wrote that old-fashioned beef was higher in hormones because people ate high-testosterone bulls. Um, not all hormones are bad. American men could use more testosterone, but that's not what is being used in feedlot beef, it's estradiol and progestins, which we do NOT need since similar hormones are environmental contaminants.

That said, you can get "natural" beef that is at least not fed/treated with total garbage and lives most of its life on pasture for pretty cheap. Some of our own cows are marketed as "natural" instead of grass-fed because some of them got sick after we bought them and we had to feed them some grain.

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 03, 2011
at 12:43 AM

One problem is that the antibiotics are used to keep the animals (barely) alive until slaughter.

Wild predators frequently cut sick/weak animals from the herd and they have the robust immune, GI tracts needed to deal with such meat.

We are unfortunately quite domesticated in most cases and we lack the vigor to deal with pathogens and toxins. So, contaminated/sick meat is likely to cause us problems.

Try buying a package of supermarket chicken livers. A few will be red, but none will be the really dark red of pastured chickens. Some of the livers will be so sick that they'll be pale or not even red--more like a sickly yellow-brown. Now imagine how healthy the rest of those chickens' bodies were!

Continuing with the chicken example, if you buy Cornish Game Hens they are basically the same kind of chicken but they are very young. They're so young they haven't had time enough to get quite so sick, so if you look at the skin and meat they have more of the appearance of a healthy skin/meat.

Since beef are in conditions that could be considered worse, since they're walking around in the stuff that usually falls out the bottom of the chicken cages, they are REALLY contaminated and sickly.

So before you even talk about contaminants in the meat and the metabolic effects of those contaminants, you should shudder at the thought of how sick many of those animals were when slaughtered. Once trimmed and packaged their health status isn't so obvious.

All that said, people like me who are on Social Security can't afford to eat nothing but pastured beef. We have to do the best we can, you know?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 12:56 AM

"Since beef are in conditions that could be considered worse, since they're walking around in the stuff that usually falls out the bottom of the chicken cages, they are REALLY contaminated and sickly." What? That's definitely not legal. I'm definitely against factory farming, but that's not what happens.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 03, 2011
at 07:40 PM

Here's a link to an online petition asking for a ban: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/filthyfeed/

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 03:34 AM

I thought you were saying they were in chicken feces. They are wallowing in their own feces.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 03, 2011
at 12:58 AM

Hey, when driving from Wisconsin to Nevada I've driven by miles of such lots. The animals are standing in a mixture of mud and feces and they are so crowded they're touching.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 03:33 AM

Well, it's not Chicken feces.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 06:46 PM

yikes, I didn't know it was still legal! I suspect a whole lot of people will have to die of birdflu before they realize their mistake...just because they can eat it doesn't mean it's not out their mutating in the muck

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 03:34 AM

Their own feces are not as bad as chicken feces. Not great, but not the worst thing. Chicken feces = spread diseases like bird flu!

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

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on December 03, 2011
at 02:03 AM

Do feedlots have the lots mucked out, Melissa? I'm not familiar with practices. I just know the feedlots have an unholy stench down Route 5 in California.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 03, 2011
at 08:02 AM

Here's a link to an article about feeding chicken manure to cattle: http://thebovine.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/u-s-cattle-being-fed-chicken-manure/ And another: http://www.pickle-publishing.com/papers/chicken-litter-animal-feed.htm The practice is banned in Canada but not in the US.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 03, 2011
at 07:57 AM

Sorry for any confusion. I meant their own feces. And the phrase "(barely) alive" was sarcasm--not my best answer but the conditions were horrible when I drove by. However, I've read articles that more and more farmers are feeding their herds "processed" chicken manure. Let's hope it's well processed!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on December 03, 2011
at 01:58 PM

Cattle can eat a lot of "inedible" things (chicken crap, newspaper, urea, *grass*) because they are ruminants and actually subsist off their gut bacteria.

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on December 03, 2011
at 07:33 PM

i'm in the minority on this topic, it seems. until recently i was eating mostly conventional meat on my paleo diet. it wasn't until the last few months that i've switched to almost exclusively grassfed and i see/feel no difference in how it makes me feel. i changed because i found a good affordable source where i could finally switch over to grassfed for moral reasons.

we claim to be the science-based nutrition people over here, yet i see mainly opinions about what they believe anti-biotics and hormones in CAFO meat(mainly referring to ruminants here) does and and not one peer-reviewed study. many of us can name the vitamins that are deficient in cafo meat- easily replaced by pastured butter at a much better cost- and the a difference in PUFA's in the fat. but the truth is, i have yet to come across a reputable study that says that CAFO meat is actually BAD for you.

the reason i bring this up is because many people who i turn on this type of eating can't afford or don't have access to affordable grass-fed meat. when someone comes to me with peer-reviewed studies saying that CAFO meat is biologically harmful to humans, then i'll stop recommending they buy ruminants out of the sale bin.

9dd0c8a268969f6f55d52bddd9af0c72

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on December 03, 2011
at 08:32 PM

I think this is a fundamental point and actually the real reason I asked the question in the first place. Apart from common sense, do we have any studies demonstrating this stuff is bad? Also, assuming it is bad, how bad is it, let's say, compared to eating grains or PUFA or other junk?

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on December 03, 2011
at 09:16 PM

Like luckybastard, I would want to see some reproducible effect in humans before I would draw conclusions about it. And on a personal note, I am healthier than I have ever been on my current diet, which is nearly 100% meat, almost exclusively CAFO for financial reasons. It's not that I wouldn't prefer to support good farming, and it's something I'm intending to prioritize when possible, but my first priority is feeding myself and family in a way that makes us healthy, and CAFO meat beats vegetables for us hands down.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on December 03, 2011
at 09:17 PM

That should say "not automatically so", of course.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on December 03, 2011
at 09:12 PM

Voice of reason. I don't deny that there may be problems with contaminants in meat, but it's automatically so just because of what the animals have been given. For example, the controversy over antibiotics in meat is whether it creates resistant strains, not on whether there is an effect on the meat. And as far as I understand, the levels of hormones in meat are within normal ranges even when the animal was supplemented with hormones.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

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on December 03, 2011
at 08:28 PM

i have no idea. here's a question for you. have you observed anyone be sick with cafo meat being the main suspect? would you tell people who don't have access to grassfed meat not to eat it?

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

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on December 03, 2011
at 08:33 PM

i know the answer to the last question. it's much better- infinitely better than eating the other crap. that's why i recommend it for people who can't afford or don't have access, enrico.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 03, 2011
at 08:11 PM

and who is going to fund these studies?

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on December 03, 2011
at 01:19 AM

this is a good question that needs to be analyzed and studied b/c of the potential harm of grocery store meat and massive amount of dont-know-better people eating lots of it. knowing about grocery store meat, and food in general is enough to make me steer clear of it, no matter what leaness and just pass on meat if i cant afford it. hell i may even argue youd be better getting beans/lentils etc and preparing them right than you are eating meat that is unknown/NOS

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on December 03, 2011
at 01:52 AM

I would argue the same thing. And that's what I would do if I had to.

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on December 03, 2011
at 02:37 AM

They add hormones to meat to make the animals grow up faster. Basically they're growth hormones. That's not something you want to be putting in your body except on purpose. We are supposed to have a balance of hormones since they are pretty much the authorities in our bodies, our chemical messengers that tell other cells what to do. An imbalance can cause health problems in the weakest link in the chain.

They add antibiotics to animals because they are fed a diet that was not designed for them, and they get sick because of it. First of all, you cannot gain health from a sick animal. Secondly, if they consumed antibiotics, then so will you. I can't tell you how many bloggers and threads I've come across where people were justifiably hatin' on the antibiotics. Animal-sourced antibiotics? That can't be good for your own intestinal and gut flora. It's just common sense.

The toxins in these unhealthy animals are stored in the fatty tissues. Because these animals aren't as lean as so-called "paleo animals" (who eat and live like THEIR ancestors), they have extra fat. So basically they have even more room to store even more toxins. It's this whole big thing.

Conventionally-raised animals also lack thier normal levels of fat-soluble vitamins (A,D,E&K), and I see you're already familiar with the omega 3/6 imbalance. There are other factors as well, such as grass-fed beef having CLA which helps you burn fat. But on top of that I also heard a rumor that I haven't actually looked into yet that grass-fed cows/bison can create vitamin K7 which supposedly has amazing health benefits. Huh.

Environmental implications are also present - animals who are allowed to roam freely and feed on grass/natural diet contribute to the cycle of life - factory farms (pretty much where all the other meat comes from!) are very toxic to the environment, creating runoff from chemicals and animal waste and stuff into the rivers and so-on. It's just not good for the Earth.

Also, from the animal-cruelty standpoint, would you really want to eat meat that came at such a cost? The horrors of factory farming should ultimately be discouraged. It truly is a cruel, sad and terrible life for those factory-farmed animals.

'nuff said.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on December 03, 2011
at 09:46 PM

Growth hormone is digested, so it doesn't make it into your body intact, much to the disappointment of many, who would love to take it that way. You have to take it by injection.

C471216c9fb4fcf886b7ac84a4046b49

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:10 PM

would like to know more about the k....

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on December 03, 2011
at 09:58 PM

And just to play Devil's advocate, do any of those same bloggers you've mentioned recommend taking oil of oregano, or garlic for their antibiotic properties? The amount of antibiotic power in these extracts is probably much larger than what traces would be found in meat, and they are reputed to be "broad-spectrum".

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on December 04, 2011
at 05:18 PM

Yeah, it's probably totally different than a drug. I'm not sure it's a fair comparison, really, but it does give one pause.

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on December 04, 2011
at 04:05 AM

Actually, they don't, but the guys at my health food store do. I prefer coconut oil myself, which knows not to kill good bacteria yet is a great antibiotic, antifungal, antimicrobial, and what-have-you. Admittedly, oil of oregano does have some impressive health benefits, but I would stick to using it topically or as a mouthwash, and only if diluted and rinsed out well with saltwater afterwards.

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on December 03, 2011
at 07:36 PM

The hubby and I eat pastured meat and wild seafood for over a year now. We ate organic for the 6 years before because we didn't know what pastured was at the time.

I prefer pastured meat because it's healthier and more ethical.

However, I'd like to see more clinical trials comparing Paleo pastured vs. Paleo conventional meats.

I've met a patient in the mid 30's who did Paleo conventional (that was all he could afford) and within a year went off 9 out of the 10 drugs he was prescribed after a heart attack. He found Paleo researching on his own. His whole family went Paleo (conventional) and saw numerous health benefits. They would probably do even better on pastured, and heal faster!

That being said - is it environmentally friendly or morally right to be sick and fat on vegetarian or a high-grain diet if you know you see improvements on Paleo (even conventional Paleo)??!! I don't think so. There are too many vegan and vegetarian apologists. Since when are they apologists for Paleos?

I'm happy for people improving their health in whatever way possible - baby steps count too!

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on December 03, 2011
at 08:45 PM

my parents lost a ton of weight and my father came off all of his meds on conventional meat while losing 100lbs. it would take a lot of convincing for me to be told that it's physiologically harmful.

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on December 03, 2011
at 08:29 PM

I think this is also a very good point but paleo experts should make it clear what are the dangers (and ethical implications) left by eating conventional meat.

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on December 03, 2011
at 03:45 PM

Here is an article about chicken I thought everyone should be aware of. Non Organic Chicken has 10 times more arsenic than apple juice. This $hizz is really scary.

http://nutritionfacts.org/blog/2011/09/19/dr-oz-apple-juice-and-arsenic-chicken-may-have-10-times-more/

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on December 03, 2011
at 02:44 PM

Yeah recently I scanned over an article in a newspaper. I take everything I see in the media with a large pinch of salt but it went into detail about the antibiotics causing super resistant bugs. The science seems to check out. Trace amounts of antibiotics eaten in meat will destroy healthy bacteria and give way to depressed immunity and the science goes deeper but I have forgot the rest!. Don't forget antibiotics are not only routinely fed to non-organic animals but also sprayed onto crops. Antibiotics are sometimes use on organic animals but only when absolutely needed. That is the situation in the UK anyway. I also read a lot about farmers using homeopathic and alternative treatments, and they have had success.

Hormones - well logically if you ingest them they are entering the blood stream and messing around with your body. How? I don't know....all sorts of bad thing I suspect.

Eat plenty of fat from organic grass fed animals i.e beef fat (the nice bits of sirloin etc) and animal fat too cook with. Duck fat is also great as long as its wild caught.

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on December 03, 2011
at 07:40 PM

Yeah, I laughed at a guy that told me people not taking a full run of antibiotics are what's causing the resistant superbugs. There's boatloads more antibiotics in factory farming that's contributing to it. If all humans stopped taking antibiotics, it wouldn't substantially affect resistance IMHO, because we're getting low levels in the food...

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on June 04, 2014
at 12:08 PM

Conventional meat with antibiotics gets reacted with bacteria in the environment they gets converted with more resistant strains which increases the chances of danger for both animals and humans. Federal law does NOT permit the use of added hormones in poultry or swine (pigs and hogs). Since hormones are not used in the production of poultry (chicken and turkey) or hogs, poultry and pork products sold in the United States do not contain any added hormones.

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on June 03, 2014
at 02:08 AM

I'm more and more convinced of the harm of conventional meat, both to our own bodies and to the environment at large. But I'd still choose conventional meat over grain, perhaps not over organic sourced legumes as a protein source, though.

If all you can afford is conventional, go for very lean cuts, supplement with natural and organic sources of fat if you can. Consider offal from at least organic sources--it's usually very inexpensive compared to even conventional meat and packed with nutritional density. (Personally I'd rather have liver or a marrow bone over a chicken breast any day!). If at all possible, seek at least organic eggs (they are still outrageously expensive here in California).

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