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Antibiotics & UTI

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created September 08, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Hi,

For the first time in my life I picked up a urinary tract infection.

Deep red blood in the water + discomfort from not being able to pee. It was an OS moment for me (I'm a man, 44y, paleo-ish for 7 months) - thinking kidney stones/cancer.

I finally got to sleep, and next morning hit the doctors' surgery. At this stage the blood had cleared out.

Nurse gave me a 5 day course of the antibiotic trimeopthrin, on the assumption this was just an infection. Google tells me trimeopthrin is a fairly friendly drug for lower intestine gut flora.

Fifteen minutes after taking the first pill I suffered knifing pain in my right loin, lasting 1/2 an hour. The pain went away, and I'm at the end of day 2 and everything seems back to normal. The test results from brown cloudy urine will be available in a few days.

Should I complete the antibiotic course? Links appreciated.

736662d9fd6314d426cc6de1896aa045

(175)

on December 14, 2013
at 09:46 PM

One recommendation I picked up - drink plenty of water throughout the day, not all in one go in the morning.

349894c67ef07710515c2d291645fce4

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on September 09, 2012
at 06:16 AM

Also, I'm pretty sure Rob Wolff explained the chemistry of stones and oxalates in a podcast awhile back. You might want to see if you can find it and have a listen. Good luck!

349894c67ef07710515c2d291645fce4

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on September 09, 2012
at 06:09 AM

You're welcome. It is possible for parts of stones to break off. I'm pretty sure all stones eventually become symptomatic (so it's not clear to me if paleo would 'break it down' and that's why you are finally symptomatic--could just be your stone's "time"). Happy Now's mention of oxalates is relevant to my story. It took 5 stones over 8 years for me to figure out (slow learner) that every time I had a stone it was after a big "unsweetened tea" (high in oxalate). I cut the tea and the stones stopped. Are there any stone promoting foods that you just can't get enough of on paleo?

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on September 09, 2012
at 04:50 AM

The urinary tract specific pain killer is called Uristat, and you can pick it up over the counter at your local drug store. It makes you pee crazy neon orange, but the relief is amazing. It does nothing for the infection though, so please complete your antibiotics to avoid creating an antibiotic resistant UTI. With your symptoms, and that intermittent stabbing pain, my money is on a kidney stone being the root of your misery.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on September 09, 2012
at 04:47 AM

The large stone breaking down is one possibility, but it is also quite common to form new stones on a low carb diet, and/or a diet with high oxalate foods (like spinach or chard).

736662d9fd6314d426cc6de1896aa045

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on September 09, 2012
at 12:13 AM

Thanks for the sympathy. The twinge turned into a pain within an hour. Then the blood. Next morning, awful pain. But 24hrs later it's OK. I wonder about the long term. I haven't had to have medical care for 20 years, but this was a severe episode out of the blue. If it was just a brief infection, no problem. If it's a strucural problem with the kidneys, I'll have to do some thinking.

736662d9fd6314d426cc6de1896aa045

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on September 08, 2012
at 11:55 PM

Thanks, Allie. Heard some horror stories about stones. I feel back to speed right now, but I think I'll stick with the antib's. Just noodling around the paleo sites, I came across the idea that a SADser (like I was) might have built up large stones that are breaking down with paleo and becoming symptomatic. Any views on that?

59fa7cd87fb9d669adf21e5cf3e7ada5

on September 08, 2012
at 08:32 PM

Also the red urine is a sign the infection had progressed to the kidney so you have an infected kidney which of course could result in the loss of a kidney if not checked so not continuing the antibiotics would be risking the loss of a kidney.

59fa7cd87fb9d669adf21e5cf3e7ada5

on September 08, 2012
at 08:08 PM

Should have mentioned that I am doing the full course of antibiotics on account of UTI's suck

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349894c67ef07710515c2d291645fce4

on September 08, 2012
at 07:49 PM

It sounds like a kidney stone. My personal experience with bladder/kidney infections/UTIs/stones were all when I was young and decidedly not paleo. My kidney stones also came with kidney infections which can present like a basic UTI at first. Then when you get really infected you get REALLY sick and it takes awhile to get over it even after the infection is gone.

I haven't taken an antibiotic in over 3 years because I've come to realize how bad they are for you, but if I had any problems with my urinary tract now I'd complete a course of antibiotics because I know how hard it is to get back to speed after getting a full blown infection.

No links, just personal experience. I hope this helps.

736662d9fd6314d426cc6de1896aa045

(175)

on September 08, 2012
at 11:55 PM

Thanks, Allie. Heard some horror stories about stones. I feel back to speed right now, but I think I'll stick with the antib's. Just noodling around the paleo sites, I came across the idea that a SADser (like I was) might have built up large stones that are breaking down with paleo and becoming symptomatic. Any views on that?

349894c67ef07710515c2d291645fce4

(45)

on September 09, 2012
at 06:09 AM

You're welcome. It is possible for parts of stones to break off. I'm pretty sure all stones eventually become symptomatic (so it's not clear to me if paleo would 'break it down' and that's why you are finally symptomatic--could just be your stone's "time"). Happy Now's mention of oxalates is relevant to my story. It took 5 stones over 8 years for me to figure out (slow learner) that every time I had a stone it was after a big "unsweetened tea" (high in oxalate). I cut the tea and the stones stopped. Are there any stone promoting foods that you just can't get enough of on paleo?

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on September 09, 2012
at 04:47 AM

The large stone breaking down is one possibility, but it is also quite common to form new stones on a low carb diet, and/or a diet with high oxalate foods (like spinach or chard).

349894c67ef07710515c2d291645fce4

(45)

on September 09, 2012
at 06:16 AM

Also, I'm pretty sure Rob Wolff explained the chemistry of stones and oxalates in a podcast awhile back. You might want to see if you can find it and have a listen. Good luck!

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on September 08, 2012
at 07:51 PM

You should always complete the antibioctic. If it were a uti, they should have EASILY been able to diagnose it with certainty.

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59fa7cd87fb9d669adf21e5cf3e7ada5

on September 08, 2012
at 08:06 PM

I'm currently enduring my first UTI (no blood in the urine though), you have my sympathies. Anything that causes discomfort in that area of the body is very distressing for a man. I had myself convinced that I had both prostate and testicular cancer and was very happy to learn that I will be keeping my nads.

59fa7cd87fb9d669adf21e5cf3e7ada5

on September 08, 2012
at 08:32 PM

Also the red urine is a sign the infection had progressed to the kidney so you have an infected kidney which of course could result in the loss of a kidney if not checked so not continuing the antibiotics would be risking the loss of a kidney.

59fa7cd87fb9d669adf21e5cf3e7ada5

on September 08, 2012
at 08:08 PM

Should have mentioned that I am doing the full course of antibiotics on account of UTI's suck

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on September 08, 2012
at 09:46 PM

Oh I sympathize- Uti-s are no fun! Haven't had one in a really long time, but here's a tip: if you feel that first twinge coming on, that feeling like you always have to pee but it wont come out- get to a Chinese herbalist asap! There are little pills you can take that knock it out before it becomes a full blown infection. Don't recall the name though- sorry! Hope you never experience another one.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on September 09, 2012
at 04:50 AM

The urinary tract specific pain killer is called Uristat, and you can pick it up over the counter at your local drug store. It makes you pee crazy neon orange, but the relief is amazing. It does nothing for the infection though, so please complete your antibiotics to avoid creating an antibiotic resistant UTI. With your symptoms, and that intermittent stabbing pain, my money is on a kidney stone being the root of your misery.

736662d9fd6314d426cc6de1896aa045

(175)

on September 09, 2012
at 12:13 AM

Thanks for the sympathy. The twinge turned into a pain within an hour. Then the blood. Next morning, awful pain. But 24hrs later it's OK. I wonder about the long term. I haven't had to have medical care for 20 years, but this was a severe episode out of the blue. If it was just a brief infection, no problem. If it's a strucural problem with the kidneys, I'll have to do some thinking.

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736662d9fd6314d426cc6de1896aa045

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on December 14, 2013
at 09:37 PM

Thought I should follow this up.

The original problem was in Sept 2012. Cleared up in a few weeks, as described above.

December 2012 it came back, though less severe and I didn't feel it urgent enough to go to the surgery.

May 2013 it came back, again less severe than the original, but enough is enough. I had a blood test and was referred for scans, including ultrasound, endoscopy (camera up the urethra - holy mother!), prostate, abdomen MRI. Everything came back clear, and no problems over the past 6 months. My only regret was I had no previous blood test to compare with these results.

I understand paleo shouldn't cause formation of kidney stones, and I had no evidence of stones except for the blood and the area-specific pain.There was never any real evidence of a UTI either - I think that's their first line defence for blood in urine. But I feel the diet caused some change that culminated in flushing something out of the system.

Looking back I think it was a necessary adjustment, but of what I do not know. I did come across one paleo experimenter complaining of kidney stones after taking up the diet, although he was probably self-diagnosing and jumping to conclusions, so I wonder if my experience is common to others.

736662d9fd6314d426cc6de1896aa045

(175)

on December 14, 2013
at 09:46 PM

One recommendation I picked up - drink plenty of water throughout the day, not all in one go in the morning.

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on December 12, 2012
at 02:17 AM

I had a kidney stone about 5 weeks ago. I went to the hospital and got a shot of Penicillin on my butt and then i was given a course of antibiotics. I REGRET taking those antibiotics. Antibiotics will ruin your gut flora and it can take weeks to months for it reestablish itself in you gut. I'm still tyring to heal from it. I've been really bloated and constipated and not regular these past couple of weeks. Forget the antibiotics. Drink plenty of water and take Colostrum and eat raw coconut oil by the spoonful. It has antifungal and antimicrobial properties. Do not eat any fructose as it feeds and encourages growth of candida yeast making you feel worse. Try to flush that stone out. Good luck. Try not to eat so much sodium from now on. Also be careful with oxalates.

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736662d9fd6314d426cc6de1896aa045

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on December 11, 2012
at 10:28 PM

Thought I'd concluded the thread - sorry for no reply to Poop.

Here's the follow up:

I finished the 5 day anti-biotic course.

Symptoms persisted for about two weeks in all, off and on. No blood, mostly the "need to pee" and difficulty sleeping. Plus the worry.

In the middle of that period, a few days after the course ended, I went back to the surgery to report the persistence. Saw the same nurse, who did a quick test on a sample and saw nothing wrong. She told me to come back in a week if the "need" kept coming back.

The "need" did keep coming back past the end of the week, but less urgently and disappeared soon after.

No further problems - everything seems fine and I'm not taking any precautions about kidney health (edit: plenty of water), except the odd clarity check of the pure drop in the morning.

Thanks for the replies. Hope the thread is useful to others.

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on December 10, 2012
at 11:33 AM

Could any of this be prostate related? Since I've been reading Super Beta Prostate reviews I've become more aware of how many thousands of men suffer with problematic prostates. Ask you doctor.

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