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“Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless”

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 22, 2013 at 12:53 AM

???Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless??? Bruce Lee

Pretty good credo to go by. I think thats just what Nate Miyaki does in how he comes to his views on nutrition/health and fitness.

http://natemiyaki.com/2013/05/20/debunking-the-paleo-diet-89-bullets-on-the-debate/

included are-35 BULLETS ON THE VALUE OF THE PALEO DIET APPROACH and 38 BULLETS ON WHERE THE PALEO SYSTEM HAS GONE WRONG

heres a small excerpt..

ON DIETARY CULTS VS. MATCHING THE PROGRAM TO THE PERSON & GOAL

???My problem is when any nutritional approach, or any system in general, becomes a religious-like cult: Rabid teachers preaching it is the absolute and only Way with no possible modifications based on individual goals, hardcore followers condemning all other methods, brainwashed students that may be inhibiting their progress or even doing themselves harm by dogmatically adhering to the tenets of an inflexible system; instilling fear that if a starchy carb ever touches your lips, the wrath of the Four Winds is going to swoop down, destroy your village, and take your soul to the Underworld.

yet more at a glance for those who havent clicked the link yet :p

ON WHY WE???RE NOT FRICKIN??? CAVEMAN

???Cavemen were highly active sure, but most of that activity was low-intensity, aerobic activity. Sure, they sprinted towards prey and away from predators, climbed trees, clubbed stuff, etc., but these were generally short bursts. They weren???t doing the type of sustained, glycogen depleting anaerobic activity involved in training programs specifically designed for cosmetic or performance enhancement.

???They did not have to recover from the type of self-inflicted, muscular micro-trauma associated with high volume, intense weight training or cross-training sessions performed multiple times a week. This unique metabolic environment necessitates unique nutritional considerations outside of the strict Paleolithic parameters, and warrants the inclusion of a few Sports Nutrition principles. Alright, that sounded way to frickin??? nerdy. Lets try that again ??? athletes are NOT cavemen, nor should they try and be. ???Cavemen were eating simply to survive. Modern physique enthusiasts are eating and training for much more than just the fulfillment of the general life cycle. They are trying to reach the pinnacle of physique development, and ???get ripped???.

To me it seemed like a pretty balanced take and something that i wouldnt hesitate sending to anyone interested in changing their nutrition/fitness approach. (along with the paleohacks URL :)

hes also written tonnes of other articles for things like Tnation, menshealth and bb.com http://natemiyaki.com/articles-2/

If youve read through some of his stuff what are your initial thoughts and opinions on this guy? would you agree he seems pretty "right on" on alot of what he says..?

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 22, 2013
at 05:17 PM

lol...yup-could be Fred Flintstone was waking up and going crossfit on a DAYYYLEEEE BASIS b4 hitting the quarry- to get ripped and keep Wilmas eye from straying to that sexxay Barney Rubble..:)

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 22, 2013
at 05:14 PM

ty for your input. The amount of authors with their own twist shows that the "kernel" or foundation..(LIKe with UNIX) is a superior one to build on.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 22, 2013
at 04:23 AM

lol..overalls and wingtips:) it really doesnt even suit him either. When i see him speak he seems inherently like a more subdued, quiet, and graceful type- hes going against his nature.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on May 22, 2013
at 03:42 AM

I don't mind his casual writing style per se, but if that's his chosen *profession* he could be better. The natural talent's there; and that's the only reason I mention it. Moreover, scientific citation and cussing just doesn't mix that well; it's like wearing a tux with sneakers.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 22, 2013
at 02:35 AM

i dint d/v ya by the way..but someones on a d/vting spreeeeee tonite..

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 22, 2013
at 02:32 AM

i love stream of consciousness style.. its REALLLLLLLer

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 22, 2013
at 02:31 AM

..Yeah, he does warn of that in the first paragraph..maybe if he never pointed out it mightnt of bothered you. He shot himself in the fooot!..lol. Cussings is probably a means of trying to sound cool/legit to a certain demographics and crowd i suppose.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 22, 2013
at 02:02 AM

fyi- i dont think hes lookign to be any kind of guru at all and has stated as much. Whether thats true or not -only he knows the fame whore he longs to be or not to be.. lol.. Also you may have come across him because of your deep interest in fitnes and nutrition but i think hes not nearly as well known or "famous" as you might think he is.. But at least he looks/lives the part and offers a good balance.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 22, 2013
at 01:59 AM

@FY-lol..yes thats where i think the Bruce Lee quote comes into play for him and why hes always quoting it. But can you blame the guy for taking the grains of truth and throwing out the phytic acid..? :) .. i see wut u mean though that he made some money by repackaging it all. Then again who didnt :P YOure fave M.S made a few huh. :) its cool i like your harsh review..( and it wsnt that harsh...ive heard harsher coming from you.. pales in comparison :) yes ive read Berardi too.. through Berkham i think i found him>? ty for response.. ~ :)

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on May 22, 2013
at 01:36 AM

I likes me some John Berardi. Smart dude.

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on May 22, 2013
at 01:28 AM

I read it, and I've been aware of and intermittently reading Miyaki's stuff for the past 5 years or so. What I like about Nate is his honesty and his blend research based evidence, and evidence based research (I just made that up I hope it makes sense). Paleo braodly is largely in the first camp (research based evidence), and definitely lacks the second. So I love that Nate places slightly more emphasis on the latter, which I think is most important- people getting results and what they do.

In other words, a lot of paleo seems to me like getting fighting lessons from someone who's only ever read about fighting (the mechanics of it, the mathematical odds of winning and losing, etc). Not getting it from someone who's been in one. I'd always take the latter over the former. Paleo is mostly the former.

What I don't like about Nate is I think he's hypocritical. Exhibit A: I-Feast. This is IF/skipping breakfast/Berkhan meets nutrient timing/post workout carbs/Berardi...but to the nth extreme. Everything is extreme. A remix of what's already been done before but repackaged and made fresh so it can be sold again. Just like low carb paleo is extreme for an athlete, hammering down pounds of white rice at night just to refill glycogen, reduce cortisol, and boost leptin is beyond what's necessary. Not proabably is...is. People have known for decades that post workout carbs help recovery. John Berardi (someone I know Miyaki read before he was really famous) made the best case for nutrient timing in his system Precision Nutrition and with his research before developing "Surge" post workout recovery formula. Berkhan has done the most on IF as it pertains to weight training/fitness. Miyaki, to me, is like a hybrid between the two. Is that new? In a way, yes. Is it also kind of just making an old thing more extreme for no really good reason? I think so, but that's just me.

This was a harsh review. I like him. I think he deserves the respect he has in the industry. But I don't think he's like the antithesis of a guru that he makes himself out to be. In some ways I feel he's the same. john berardi. Now there's someone who really is a fitness nutrition pioneer.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on May 22, 2013
at 01:36 AM

I likes me some John Berardi. Smart dude.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 22, 2013
at 02:02 AM

fyi- i dont think hes lookign to be any kind of guru at all and has stated as much. Whether thats true or not -only he knows the fame whore he longs to be or not to be.. lol.. Also you may have come across him because of your deep interest in fitnes and nutrition but i think hes not nearly as well known or "famous" as you might think he is.. But at least he looks/lives the part and offers a good balance.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 22, 2013
at 01:59 AM

@FY-lol..yes thats where i think the Bruce Lee quote comes into play for him and why hes always quoting it. But can you blame the guy for taking the grains of truth and throwing out the phytic acid..? :) .. i see wut u mean though that he made some money by repackaging it all. Then again who didnt :P YOure fave M.S made a few huh. :) its cool i like your harsh review..( and it wsnt that harsh...ive heard harsher coming from you.. pales in comparison :) yes ive read Berardi too.. through Berkham i think i found him>? ty for response.. ~ :)

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on May 22, 2013
at 03:26 PM

Follow the quote from Bruce Lee which is what he quotes. Absorb from him what is useful, reject what is useless (his attempt to "debunk" paleo.)

Not going to waste much time on this to point out that paleo is a spectrum of diets, some low carb, some not, some with IF, some without. There are many approaches, there's no single one. The only agreement is to avoid wheat and other grains, legumes, especially soy, industrial seed oils, CAFO meats/eggs, artificial ingredients, over processed crap-in-a-box, chronic cardio, and to prefer wild caught [fin|shell]fish, grassfed meats/butter/ghee, pastured eggs, coconut, organic veggies/leafy greens, HIIT/weight training, lots of good sleep in a dark room, extra D3, K2, A, extra minerals (magnesium, potassium, zinc, iodine), etc. The rest is upto the individual based on their needs.

There's nothing new in what he says, and he's not actually debunking anything, the title is purposely controversial. He even nods to this "Anti-Paleo (which oddly enough ends up being 80% the same as Paleo with a bunch of platform pushing and flowery language on top of it) has an approach."

Paleo reminds me of UNIX, and this quote by Henry Spencer: "Those who don't understand UNIX are doomed to reinvent it, poorly." There are many versions: OS X, *BSD, Linux, AIX, *Solaris, some obsolete. In the same way, there's many Paleo-based brands by many authors, each with their own twists.

This strikes me as someone trying to create controversy so as to drive more traffic to his site and strengthen his brand - but he's not focused, and hasn't got a point, so it's a failed attempt. As the saying goes, the dog barks, but the caravan drives on.

So, let him bark, he's just starving for a bone, that's all.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 22, 2013
at 05:14 PM

ty for your input. The amount of authors with their own twist shows that the "kernel" or foundation..(LIKe with UNIX) is a superior one to build on.

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De1095b2ba29c1035f00428cbfe3cc7c

on May 22, 2013
at 04:18 PM

How do we know that cavemen didn't exercise for aesthetic reasons?

It seems plausible to me to have a good stretch, do some pushups etc first thing in the morning no matter what millenia you were born in :)

I know i have a clearer, calmer more focused day if i workout in the am

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 22, 2013
at 05:17 PM

lol...yup-could be Fred Flintstone was waking up and going crossfit on a DAYYYLEEEE BASIS b4 hitting the quarry- to get ripped and keep Wilmas eye from straying to that sexxay Barney Rubble..:)

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24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on May 22, 2013
at 02:20 AM

A few light thoughts:

Smart guy, like the content, but not the form.

Writes in stream-of-consciousness style that might work well for actual conversation, but comes out a bit flat in print. He could easily become a much stronger writer.

At the moment, his writing is too fluffy and language too juvenile for me. Misuses and overuses cuss words.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 22, 2013
at 04:23 AM

lol..overalls and wingtips:) it really doesnt even suit him either. When i see him speak he seems inherently like a more subdued, quiet, and graceful type- hes going against his nature.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 22, 2013
at 02:35 AM

i dint d/v ya by the way..but someones on a d/vting spreeeeee tonite..

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on May 22, 2013
at 03:42 AM

I don't mind his casual writing style per se, but if that's his chosen *profession* he could be better. The natural talent's there; and that's the only reason I mention it. Moreover, scientific citation and cussing just doesn't mix that well; it's like wearing a tux with sneakers.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 22, 2013
at 02:32 AM

i love stream of consciousness style.. its REALLLLLLLer

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on May 22, 2013
at 02:31 AM

..Yeah, he does warn of that in the first paragraph..maybe if he never pointed out it mightnt of bothered you. He shot himself in the fooot!..lol. Cussings is probably a means of trying to sound cool/legit to a certain demographics and crowd i suppose.

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