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Created April 16, 2013 at 4:46 AM

Basically, I'm new to this diet. A close friend of mine recommended it because he felt like had good results from trying it out and I trust his opinion.

However, another friend of mine has been constantly telling me I'm following some sort of pseudo-scientific diet which has no actual proof behind it. Also since I am eating fruits/vegetables that are modern, I'm breaking the rules since they didn't exist in their current form back in the ancestral environment.

I honestly started this diet due to anecdotal evidence. People tried it and it seemed to help them.

Is there any science behind it? Or am I just deluding myself into trying something that won't actually work.

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on April 17, 2013
at 12:44 AM

Excellent reference, Alex! Made me want to run out and get some HPs.

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on April 16, 2013
at 03:05 PM

In the end, there are many variations with a common ground: trying to eat natural, unprocessed food and avoiding the junk and anti-nutrients. I think that in the anti-nutrients is where most of them cannot get to agree, with the sole exception of refined sugars and trans fats.

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on April 16, 2013
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Sure, have a look at Kurt Harris website. http://www.archevore.com/panu-weblog/2011/3/30/paleo-20-a-diet-manifesto.html Keep in mind that in the end, beyond that fancy name is the notion on how he sees a good paleo-approach should be. In a similar fashion, Dr. Jack Kruse also created another fancy name for his variation of paleo, the Epi-Paleo Diet or what he calls Paleo 3.0 There's also the Paleo-Zone diet based on a mix of the Zone Diet and Paleo which is more friendly with carbs, in a similar way like the Perfect Health Diet by Dr. Paul Jaminet.

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at 02:56 PM

Tell me more about Paleo 2.0? :)

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at 02:55 PM

Thanks for the response! You bring up good points and I'll keep them in mind. I'm just really tired of all the pseudo-science claims that get thrown at me. It feels good and I haven't noticed any horrible effects yet.

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on April 16, 2013
at 06:22 AM

In regards to your take on 'modern food' -what do you classify as modern food? A packet of twinkies and GMO corn? Or are you referring to animals and veggies? Admittedly, a lot of our modern fruits and vegeatables have been bred to a point where they no longer resemble their orginal wild form and humans have done this to make it economcially viable to grow in mass quanities for agriculture. You'd be hard to find anything these days in it's pure, untouched and in its original,natural form. That's the day and age we live in. But please don't try and delude yourself into believing that what the earth has provided for us to eat is not enough to sustain life. We are living proof of this of this 'science'. Why overthink it?

Regardless, a piece of broccoli still wins hands down against a piece of white bread. Just think about this logically for a second. Eating whole foods as nature intended as we have been for centuries and centuries... how can that be wrong? Manufacturing food in labratories with chemicals and ingredients you can't even pronouce that are sythenic and far from anything the body will be able to identify as real nutrients, but rather, merely empty calories - yeah, how could that possibly be better for you?

It was only until the invention of science that we needn't science to suddenly justify everything and anything we did. It no doubt has a HUGE part to play in our modern lives but there has been such a disconnect with our human and natural instinct that we rely so heavily on science telling us what to do. Ok, rant over...

EDIT: Welcome! :-)

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on April 16, 2013
at 02:55 PM

Thanks for the response! You bring up good points and I'll keep them in mind. I'm just really tired of all the pseudo-science claims that get thrown at me. It feels good and I haven't noticed any horrible effects yet.

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on April 16, 2013
at 10:06 PM

Your friend is right. The paleo diet is pseudoscience. For a scientific diet created by scientists, you need to eat Hot Pockets.

http://youtu.be/N-i9GXbptog

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on April 17, 2013
at 12:44 AM

Excellent reference, Alex! Made me want to run out and get some HPs.

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on April 16, 2013
at 10:05 PM

I'm 66. I can't speak to paleo times, despite how my grandson likes to tease, but I can tell you some of what paleo folks say about today's fruit is BS.

I'm sure they're accurate when they speak of chemical contamination and soil depletion, etc., but I keep reading how today's fruits are so much sweeter than in the past and that's total BS. I see such comments frequently and it makes me question everything else those people say because they've swallowed the corporate marketing story whole.

Today's fruits and vegetables have been selected for slow ripening, resistance to bruising, etc., and the truth is fruit used to be much sweeter. I've discussed this with my friends and we're all in strong agreement.

As a child I ate apples, peaches, cherries, grapes, blueberries, etc., directly off the plants and the sweetness exploded in your mouth. Nobody cared how fast they ripened because they were eaten in season and otherwise frozen or canned. Transportation halfway around the world was rare as well. The produce dept. used to be pretty grim in the average supermarket in the dead of winter, but in season the produce they sold was at least as good as what you'll find at a farmer's market today.

I think today's home gardeners produce vegetables that are comparable to those that came out of my mother's and my gardens; the supermarkets offer pale facsimiles. Most people don't have access to the mixture of farm and wild countryside that produced those yummy fruits. If you can find them, though, they're worth the trouble and don't let anyone convince you what passes for fruit at your big-box store is "sweet."

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on April 16, 2013
at 09:24 PM

Re: fruits and vegetables, keep in mind the point isn't simply to re-enact the paleolithic age down to the detail. The point is to make food choices that are best for you, while taking our evolutionary path into consideration. It is, however, valid to point to the fact that many modern fruits have been bred to be larger and sweeter that their original ancestors so that we should practice some moderation there.

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on April 16, 2013
at 06:32 AM

Even if there were no studies that could bring scientific proof of Paleo, what about the big bunch of studies that tell us how harmful are most of the things that are eaten in modern diets?

Paleo, in the end, is a way of eating trying to get rid of all junk. I don't really think that there should be too much proof to at least add some of it's concepts into our eating habits.

I would not think, also, as fruit as a way to 'break the rules'. I personally have a more Archevore or 'Paleo 2.0' approach to dieting, that means, trying to forget about the utopia of having depicted the exact diet that our ancestors would have eaten (it depends on a lot of factors, demography, etc) and just stick to natural food or even the evolved food that has some scientific evidence that has good overall benefits for us.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

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on April 16, 2013
at 03:05 PM

In the end, there are many variations with a common ground: trying to eat natural, unprocessed food and avoiding the junk and anti-nutrients. I think that in the anti-nutrients is where most of them cannot get to agree, with the sole exception of refined sugars and trans fats.

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on April 16, 2013
at 02:56 PM

Tell me more about Paleo 2.0? :)

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

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on April 16, 2013
at 03:03 PM

Sure, have a look at Kurt Harris website. http://www.archevore.com/panu-weblog/2011/3/30/paleo-20-a-diet-manifesto.html Keep in mind that in the end, beyond that fancy name is the notion on how he sees a good paleo-approach should be. In a similar fashion, Dr. Jack Kruse also created another fancy name for his variation of paleo, the Epi-Paleo Diet or what he calls Paleo 3.0 There's also the Paleo-Zone diet based on a mix of the Zone Diet and Paleo which is more friendly with carbs, in a similar way like the Perfect Health Diet by Dr. Paul Jaminet.

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