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Favorite AHS speaker?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 07, 2011 at 8:35 AM

Mine were Denise Minger and Erwan Le Corre. Denise spoke about how to win an arguement with a vegetarian and Erwan with his fantastic accent spoke about Movnat. If you weren't there I believe you can watch them on the website (http://ancestryfoundation.org/) or will soon be able to. All in all it was just such a great event and so cool to see all these people in person. Although I'm pretty sure I overdosed on all the jerky samplers (i had just copious amounts of jerky for lunch today). Anyways all the collaboration and discussion was just fantastic. Already excited for next year! Who was your favorite speaker?

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

yes cordain seemed to begrudgingly softening on this

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on August 11, 2011
at 07:03 AM

I didn't see michaels. I will have to check out the video, sounds interesting.

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on August 11, 2011
at 01:30 AM

haha no I would have remembered the accent ;)

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on August 11, 2011
at 01:16 AM

I hope you are not referring to me! (I admit it - I was one of the middle aged women who made sure I met Robb ...) Shall I put it in context, I moderate on his forum and am a (paleo) nutritionist from New Zealand.

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on August 09, 2011
at 05:01 AM

Paul, a bunch of us ate rice for dinner in honor of you two. Looking forward to your talk next year. Nobody talked much about supplements, and I know you know a thing or two about that.

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on August 09, 2011
at 05:01 AM

around wolf actually

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on August 09, 2011
at 04:45 AM

I'm so happy I got to meet Paul and Shou-Ching! They are just the nicest people you can imagine. They were so kind and even asked me to join them for lunch!!! The highlight of my day:) Really looking forward to Paul's talk next year.

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on August 09, 2011
at 03:30 AM

Aravind, wish we'd gotten a chance. It's great to put faces to web names. Travis, I do expect to speak next year. Will also be speaking at the WAPF Wise Traditions meeting in November, and at some local New England events the next few months.

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on August 09, 2011
at 03:23 AM

In general I think there could have been a lot more Q-and-A and also discussion between speakers at the conference. No time for that, you say? Well, just have fewer speakers. Once it becomes an annual thing you can institute a rule that no one can speak on consecutive years. I know of an academic society in the United States that does that.

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on August 09, 2011
at 02:02 AM

yeah, they were definitely around, but I didn't get to talk to them much

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on August 09, 2011
at 12:48 AM

More fodder for a roundtable debate/discussion next year. What would you recommend as the best generic weight-loss template for a paleo eater? Sit some luminaries around a table (Stephan with the food reward, Don armed with his plants, etc etc) and let them have at it.

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on August 09, 2011
at 12:37 AM

Here would be an example of my telestrator usage - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1z03b1wveM

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on August 09, 2011
at 12:33 AM

He was wearing powder blue Vibrams. Total badass.

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on August 09, 2011
at 12:31 AM

More things out of left field from Boyd Eaton: Oscar Wilde had it hard, Ellen has it easy. One child policies should maybe be enforced everywhere.

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on August 09, 2011
at 12:29 AM

Aravind is the John Madden of Paleohacks. Get that man a telestrator.

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on August 09, 2011
at 12:24 AM

Kamal and I sat near him and his wife during the Doug McGuff session and a couple times in the hallway. Really wanted to talk to him but couldn't make it happen. Bummed! I am a big PHD fan. Great book and blog!

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on August 08, 2011
at 10:03 PM

Yes honey. Behind every good man is a great woman.

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on August 08, 2011
at 08:35 PM

in a good way bro. which part? lol. your comments. you are so unhinged. it's hilarious.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 07:59 PM

@The Loon - let's just agree to disagree and move on.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 07:57 PM

At a 10000 ft level - too many social injustices, too many people, too much us and them that needed to be addressed. It was very left wing. Interesting thing is that he claims things were different in Paleo times. For example he claimed that females were equal to males in Paleo times unlilke modern man where females are discriminated against. I'm not sure the basis for the comment. It was a very utopian view of the world. I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing, but I really wasn't expect it, so more than anything I was surprised that he spent more than 1/3 of his time discussing it

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on August 08, 2011
at 07:23 PM

Aravind -- what was did Boyd Eatonn social commentary consist of?

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on August 08, 2011
at 05:26 PM

Aravind likes to steal my jokes. Is that what married couples do?

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on August 08, 2011
at 04:50 PM

Go back and re-read what I said, and then go chill

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 04:14 PM

@The Loon - and your comment that he has a "I'm a PhD and you're not" attitude is the most absurd thing I've read on PH in a long time. For being a such a learned person, he is anything but arrogant. Your ad-hominem attacks absent any substantive rebuttal only makes your position weaker.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 04:14 PM

@The Loon - and your comment that he has a "I'm a PhD and you're not" comment is the most absurd thing I've read on PH in a long time. For being a such a learned person, he is anything but arrogant. Your ad-hominem attacks absent any substantive rebuttal only makes your position weaker.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 04:12 PM

@The Loon - I've read EVERY one of those posts including the comments. For the last time, did you read the paragraph I wrote in the previous comment? I guess not. I did not say n=1 is irrelevant. But n=1 is not the basis of a theory nor d0 confounders necessarily invalidate a theory as being materially correct. I'm not going to argue with you. I don't have an axe to grind since I don't owe stock in Stephan, inc. If you don't like his theory, then don't buy into it. But you are not making any cogent, scientific arguments against it. And for the last time, I did not say his theory was "right"

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 04:10 PM

The Loon - I've read EVERY one of those posts including the comments. For the last time, did you read the paragraph I wrote in the previous comment? I guess not. I did not say n=1 is irrelevant. But n=1 is not the basis of a theory nor due confounders invalidate a theory as being materially correct. I'm not going to argue with you. I don't have an axe to grind since I don't owe stock in Stephan, inc. If you don't like his theory, then don't buy into it. But you are not making any cogent, scientific arguments against it. Regardless, whatever works for you is what works for you.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 04:03 PM

@Jack - which part? And if you are just concluding that I am out of my mind, I am going to start calling you Don Matesz Junior - 14 years to figure it out???

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on August 08, 2011
at 03:37 PM

N=1 "anecdotes" as you call them, always beat out theory in my book. And, if you read through all the posts and comments, it is clear that he believes it to a/the dominant, and not just one of the many factors. (By "get him" did you mean Taubes nailed it, or that he didn't understand what was said?)

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on August 08, 2011
at 03:15 PM

you are outta your freakin mind aravind.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 11:45 AM

@The Loon - not liking the theory, n=1 anecdotes, etc, are not exactly refutations of his theory. Taubes didn't "get him". Since perhaps you did not read what I wrote earlier, here is a quote from Stephan in his blog regarding the theory - "First, I want to point out that although food reward is important, it's not the only factor. Heritable factors (genetics and epigenetics), developmental factors (uterine environment, childhood diet), lifestyle factors (exercise, sleep, stress) and dietary factors besides reward also play a role. That's why I called this series "a dominant factor in obesity"

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on August 08, 2011
at 06:14 AM

Hey, I would have liked "possible" instead of "dominant". Or, if he had stopped at banning tasty junk, and not gone so far as banning spices for fat people. But Taubes got him. Are babies really fat cause the food tastes so good?

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on August 08, 2011
at 03:50 AM

Interesting seeing Erwan LeCorre and Doug McGuff back to back. It's almost like American vs French views of ideal physiques. McGuff is ripped! I don't think he conveyed his message very well however. But American guys generally wanna be ripped like that I and I think culturally the french may prefer the more slender look. thouoghts?

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on August 08, 2011
at 03:49 AM

I agree that the theory is wrong, Loon, or at least underwhelming. I would have agreed with it if he'd called it "A possible factor in minor weight gain." I do think there's something interesting in the idea of "cartoon-like" food; that is, food that over-promises with exaggerated taste profiles but under-delivers on actual nutrients, so the body is prompted to wolf down bagsful to try to scrape out those fugitive nutrients. But obesity, diabetes, and the other DOCs started long before Cheetos, and Taubes has shown pretty convincingly that the culprits are refined sugar and flour.

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on August 08, 2011
at 03:34 AM

Yes, not because he's not a nice guy and all that, but because the theory is wrong.

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on August 08, 2011
at 03:30 AM

Around Eades or Wolf?

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on August 08, 2011
at 02:10 AM

Frank was very cool; I really liked him too!

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 02:02 AM

@The Loon - "he had it coming"...are you for real?!?!

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on August 08, 2011
at 01:18 AM

And let's not forget, boys: Woman also blasé.

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on August 08, 2011
at 01:10 AM

it was great meeting the paleohacks crowd IRL!

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on August 08, 2011
at 12:58 AM

OK I have read all about the Gary Taubes / Stephan Guyenet smackdown but I still have no idea what actually happened. What was this question posed by Taubes that keeps being obliquely discussed on Twitter and PaleoHacks?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 12:40 AM

@M - I'm still your man. Just keep it on the DL :-)

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on August 08, 2011
at 12:02 AM

*meredith's mma trainer*

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 11:49 PM

I keep hearing that quote in my head and am LMFAO!!!

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on August 07, 2011
at 11:40 PM

Man Is Blasé!!!

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 11:37 PM

@Loon - not sure what blog you are reading. SG is so not arrogant and "I'm a PhD". And to say he had it coming...are you for real??? If so, GFY

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 11:31 PM

Oh and lest we forget "man is blasé". WTF dude???

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on August 07, 2011
at 11:28 PM

Robb Wolf (whilst wearing an eye patch) would have thrown a NorCal Margarita in Matt Lalonde's face (Matt would be stroking his pet iguana at the time) over a lover's spat in the hallway. THIS is what happens when you are at home with no TV, 2 kids and a silly imagination.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on August 07, 2011
at 11:25 PM

You stole my MAN Danielle! Take that! ** (throws Martini in younger, blonder, cuter girl's face) **

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on August 07, 2011
at 11:21 PM

There were no drinks thrown, because then there would be a dispute as to the proper sweetener? Fructose?? Sucralose?? Another exitotoxin?? White wine or red?? Did anyone see Dr. Eades slip out for a soft drink?? (Hope it was diet.)

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 11:21 PM

Kamal - you are the bastard love child of our marriage

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on August 07, 2011
at 11:16 PM

Meredith- what about me??!!

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on August 07, 2011
at 11:15 PM

I saw more than a few middle aged women clammering around him too lol

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on August 07, 2011
at 11:06 PM

Apparently lots of young men have man-crushes on Robb Wolf, as they were buzzing around him. There were just as many people buzzing around Dr. Mike Eades. Definitely a split between the low- and high-carbers.

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on August 07, 2011
at 11:00 PM

Guyenet had a bit too much of the "I'm a PhD and you're not" vibe on his blog. Maybe more from his fans than what he actually posted. I think he had it coming. But Quilt, you're right, Guyenet is about the nicest guy on the planet.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on August 07, 2011
at 10:55 PM

yeah, and kudos to you for coming out in front of all those people! Sorry we didn't get to meet, I was sitting right in the front row next you and taubes during the whole 'incident'.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on August 07, 2011
at 10:52 PM

Nerdiest in a good way paleo couple: Melissa and Chris

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on August 07, 2011
at 10:42 PM

I loved Robb's comment at the end of Denise's presentation. "if people aren't interested in Paleo, fuck 'em!"

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on August 07, 2011
at 10:30 PM

Yeah, Dr. BG is a trip. Transitions between sex jokes and poop jokes with ease. Lots of good recommendations in her presentation. I haven't looked at her blog since it went off line a long time ago, but it's time to give it another look...

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on August 07, 2011
at 10:27 PM

Aravind threw at least ten drinks down his throat in a short period of time.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 09:30 PM

@LB - It really was a lot of fun. Between the presenters, the ad hoc hallway discussions, and meeting fellow Paleo Hackers that you've "known" for so long but never met, it was a great experience. And apart from my slight distortion of the 3 way with Danielle/Kamal, everything I wrote really happened

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 09:28 PM

@LB - I'm not saying this to make you feel bad...it was AWESOME. Between the presenters, the ad hoc hallway discussions, and meeting fellow Paleo Hackers that you've "known" for so long but never met, it was a great experience. And apart from my slight distortion of the 3 way with Danielle/Kamal, everything I wrote really happened

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 09:28 PM

@LB - I'm not saying this to make you feel bad...it was AWESOME. Between the presenters, the ad hoc hallway discussions, and meeting fellow Paleo Hackers that you've "known" for so long but never met, it was a great experience. And apart from my distortion of the 3 way with Danielle/Kamal, everything I wrote really happened

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on August 07, 2011
at 09:21 PM

I'm looking at the slides from his presentation right now. Oh, it's just killing me that I couldn't be there. Thanks to everyone for tweeting, blogging, and hacking about it.

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on August 07, 2011
at 08:58 PM

@aravind... i can't breathe. i'm definitely going next year...

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on August 07, 2011
at 08:54 PM

Why didn't anyone throw a drink in anyone's face during all of this? I had to read this all on Twitter people. Please say a drink got thrown at some point!

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on August 07, 2011
at 08:31 PM

Nora is not a Dr. she just needs some carbs. This is excellent reporting A. EXCELLENT!

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 08:30 PM

I expected Shari to be a sweetheart and she did not disappoint. G2C is a wild child - again expected.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 08:25 PM

@LB - I really want to believe that (transgenerational) epigenetics will play itself out. I think this is still consistent with my statement. The metabolic derangement that was passed onto may not have been caused by macronutrient ratios being skewed. However once you received that derangement, perhaps the reversal/control of it required macronutrient control. Thanks for your personal experience here!!!

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 08:21 PM

I think I offended EVERYONE, but that was about as predictable as Danielle sleeping with me. Kamal joining us was TOTALLY unpredictable. Friday night I drank 4 long island iced teas and 2 shots of patron. Considering a long island has 4 shots per drink, that means I had the equivalent of 18 shots. The most scandalous part of the weekend was Kamal. Since I ate every meal with him, I witnessed gluten in all but one meal. He's a total poser. Take away his Paleo card. Plus once he is tired, he makes Dr Nora seem like she is a wildcat. Henceforth, you should call Kamal Nora and his comments noring

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 08:19 PM

I think I offended EVERYONE, but that was about as predictable as Danielle sleeping with me. Kamal joining us was TOTALLY unpredictable. Friday night I drank 4 long island iced teas and 2 shots of patron. Considering a long island has 4 shots per drink, that means I had the equivalent of 18 shots. The most scandalous part of the weekend was Kamal. Since I ate every meal with him, he had gluten in all but one meal. He's a total poser. Take away his Paleo card. Plus once he is tired, he makes Dr Nora seem like she is a wildcat. Henceforth, you should call Kamal Nora and his comments noring.

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on August 07, 2011
at 08:14 PM

i accidentally did on myself and figured it out too. people who've known me all my life marvel because very few ppl know those who had childhood obesity and finally figure everything out in their thirties. enough reading and experimenting seems to be key. the thing is, it's worked on everyone else who've tried it. once u get the metabolism acting right, over time, your body reverts more or less to the way its most efficient way of operating. to get new testament on that ass, "all things are lawful but not expedient"

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on August 07, 2011
at 08:12 PM

BTW - I know all ABOUT Danielle. For shame, so young!

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on August 07, 2011
at 08:11 PM

I want the soap opera version! WHo offended whom? Who got too wasted? Who smelled from no pooing too long? How awesome is Gone2Croatan? Did Dr. K really surf? Were there any fisticuffs, or at least drinks thrown in faces???????????????? I KNOW you can deliver this kind of information.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 08:10 PM

Quilt - I agree. You are a nut, but not a coconut, more like a peanut which isn't really a nut. Stick with me on this one

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

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on August 07, 2011
at 08:06 PM

Oh? Are you sure it's not a LOVEBITE from Danielle??!!!

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 08:03 PM

@Danielle - This is going to be complicated, but stick with me ok....

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 08:01 PM

Plus one.......

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on August 07, 2011
at 07:58 PM

The answer is epigenetic switches and that is why you dont have an answer. Once you know how your switches are set you get your answer. In a few years I think it will be paleo MD doctoring 101 so to speak. Right now only nuts like me do on myself.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 07:29 PM

Actually I should have written that Danielle has the picture. She posted it on her FB page. Right along with the classy one of me and her

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on August 07, 2011
at 07:22 PM

I took a wonderful photo??? THIS I have to see. I am sure it was just the reflection of your uber-studdliness making me look good. Or else I was shitfaced, lol. I can't wait to see it!

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on August 07, 2011
at 07:18 PM

thanks aravind... i seriously appreciate that...

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 07:18 PM

I have a wonderful picture of the two of us that I will post to FB. If Danielle was not so jealous, I would totally make it my PH profile pic :-)

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 07:15 PM

As I have asserted many times (but without the street cred to back it up), we need to clearly distinguish between the importance of macronutrients vis-a-vis the CAUSE of metabolic derangement and REMEDIATION once metabolic derangement occurs. I think the continued blurring of this line is a DOMINANT factor in the two sides of the debate

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on August 07, 2011
at 07:06 PM

There needs to be a a discussion between low carb and high carb paleo sides of this tribe. If you want large scale acceptance my the scientific community and medicine this bridge building has to occur. Like it or not.....Taubes is a leader who can apply leverage alone that most of us cant. As Erwan Le Corre pointed out in his lecture when we band together we can do far more than we can do alone. And when we work together it makes us feel better and decrease our stress level.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on August 07, 2011
at 07:02 PM

LOL............That would have made the conference even better.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 07:02 PM

@LB - I asked Stephan the question you had (I think) regarding the mechanism when macronutrients are combined vs separate relative to Reward. This was actually the question I asked which Taubes cut in front of me :-) Stephan really didn't have an answer that was a slam dunk IMO but he acknowledged that too.

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on August 07, 2011
at 07:01 PM

Cool! With fall right around the corner, I will be stocking up on Vitamin D and Omega 3 soon. Or else my seasonal affective disorder will turn me into a grouch.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 07:00 PM

Quilt - just read your AHS summary on the blog. Good stuff

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on August 07, 2011
at 06:56 PM

No prob! They have a great vitamin D in extra virgin olive oil as well.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 06:52 PM

@LB - I asked Stephan the question you had (I think) regarding the mechanism when macronutrients are combined vs separate relative to Reward. This was actually the question I asked which Taubes cut in front of me :-) Stephan really didn't have an answer that was a slam dunk but he acknowledged that too.

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on August 07, 2011
at 06:46 PM

sooooooooo jealous.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 06:39 PM

@Quilt - I seriously wanted to give him a beat down since Stephan is my boy!!! His glycogen-depleted, carbophobic ass wouldn't stand a chance!

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on August 07, 2011
at 06:37 PM

For sure!!!!!!!

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on August 07, 2011
at 06:35 PM

plus one.......

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 06:31 PM

plus one Rose......I appreciate your words. I think all of our community has to realize that we need look out for one another. Dr Eefeldt made this exact point in his talk when he said low carb community could teach the paleo community a lot and vice versa.....His talk, especially the changing color of the US map since 1985 with respect to BMI was eye popping. Jimmy Moore got me to reading Eenfeldt and he is a real nice guy.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 06:28 PM

LOL at Aravind.....you could have tripped him up before he unleashed his tirade.

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(15236)

on August 07, 2011
at 06:24 PM

Melissa yours was really awesome too! I learned a whole lot of new things, whereas some of the others were just preaching to the choir

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on August 07, 2011
at 05:45 PM

Thanks Danielle. I will look for it. I googled it and found a source nearby. Thanks!

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on August 07, 2011
at 05:32 PM

I uploaded my AHS pics to facebook during mat lalonde's talk

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on August 07, 2011
at 05:28 PM

Andy, I was wondering if he had a book. I'll check it out, thanks.

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(11996)

on August 07, 2011
at 05:14 PM

Thanks, Quilt, for your detailed blog post on AHS -- it really made me wish I'd been there. And I agree with your note above about Taubes growing claws. He's taken on a giant burden (it's pretty clear he's the face of the revolution, whether everyone here agrees with him in all respects or not) and I suspect it's way bigger than he ever thought it would be years ago when he set out to write GCBC.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 05:10 PM

Actually here is my biggest issue which you will see in the post game video. You will notice that Gary Taubes actually cut in front of me to ask his question. HE CUT IN FRONT OF ME! Does he know who I am??? Oh yeah, no he doesn't :-)

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 05:07 PM

And Stephen is a big boy. I'm sure he is not going to let it bother him or affect what he does. It might get him to think from a different angle now and then.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 05:05 PM

Well when you're Taubes going up against the establishment like Oz and th USDA and the federal govt....he has to sharpen his claws and canines before the hunt. He sure looked soft as shit to me on Oz and pissed me off how he laid down. He now found some game

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 04:56 PM

@Quilt - I think debate and dispute is wonderful and ultimately we are better off as a result. AGAIN, I took exception to the classless manner of delivery

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:55 PM

Dominant and the factor are synonyms for the low carb community. So Stephen may have changed his phraseology. That seems to be a major thing to hack here on pale hacks. Don't I know that.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 04:54 PM

...with the exception that now he seems to be more focused on refined carbs and sugar, both of which I agree as being relatively deleterious. However I cannot accept the indictment of an entire class of macronutrients as being the CAUSE of metabolic derangement. AFTER ONE IS DERANGED, perhaps the remediation involves control of one/more macronutrients

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:54 PM

Well aravind.....I railed Taubes on my podcast.....and it appears his new approach will serve him well when he faces Dr Oz again. And just so you know....in the low carb world Stephen pissed off a lot of obese people with that series and Taubes was having none of it. I understand where you're coming from but I have no problem with disputes in a tribe. In the end they are all good in my view.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 04:53 PM

Stephan has been explicit in stating that Food Reward is a DOMINANT factor, not THE factor. To quote him - "First, I want to point out that although food reward is important, it's not the only factor. Heritable factors (genetics and epigenetics), developmental factors (uterine environment, childhood diet), lifestyle factors (exercise, sleep, stress) and dietary factors besides reward also play a role. That's why I called this series "a dominant factor in obesity", rather than "the dominant factor in obesity"....Gary Taubes however remains intransigent in his position...

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 04:52 PM

Stephan has been explicit in stating that Food Reward is a DOMINANT factor, not THE factor. He has stated. To quote hime - "First, I want to point out that although food reward is important, it's not the only factor. Heritable factors (genetics and epigenetics), developmental factors (uterine environment, childhood diet), lifestyle factors (exercise, sleep, stress) and dietary factors besides reward also play a role. That's why I called this series "a dominant factor in obesity", rather than "the dominant factor in obesity".

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:52 PM

Plus one........

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:51 PM

Dr. BG was really good too. Forgot about her.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:49 PM

Thanks, Jeff, for the report, and Aravind, for clarifying. Since they're not in my social circle, their dickishness or class doesn't really interest me; I just want us to get the obesity model right. It sounds like Taubes raised sound objections. There's also the question of infant obesity in addition to the obese mothers/starving kids scenario (which has always seemed to me an extraordinarily compelling counterexample to the simple overeating hypothesis of obesity).

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:49 PM

Plus one.......

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 04:48 PM

@Quilt - maybe we might agree since the substance of the argument is a different issue as I noted. However the delivery in a public forum, particularly since Stephan Guyenet is probably one of the most thoughtful and nicest guys in this space just made it very inappropriate.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:47 PM

I loved Matt stuff.....he had to say what he said to many. I can't wait to show his talk to my endocrinology buddies so they can remove their heads from their asses on their stance on bioidenticals vs synthetic hormones. Critical shit in my profession right now.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 04:46 PM

I will throw in my 2 cents later when I have a chance to type. Overall was an amazing experience and I am so glad I could be a part of it. Kamal and I had an impromptu discussion with Stephan Guyenet, Chris Masterjohn and Staffan Lindeberg for 45 minutes which was AWESOME. I think Kamal and I needed to pinch ourselves a couple times since it was surreal. I have the bruise to prove it!

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:45 PM

Interesting to see how others reacted to Taubes. My take is quite different. I guess our perceptions do color our reality

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 04:43 PM

LET ME BE CLEAR - I am not making any commentary on the merits of either Stehpan's or Gary's theories, who is right/wrong. I just think Taubes was being a bit hypocritical since he has been accused of the exact same thing. He showed no class at the end. And yes I am sick of the Kitavans too :-)

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 04:42 PM

LET ME BE CLEAR - I am not making any commentary on the merits of either Stehpan's or Gary's theories, who is right/wrong. I just Taubes was being a bit hypocritical since he has been accused of the exact same thing. He showed no class at the end. And yes I am sick of the Kitavans too :-)

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:40 PM

Oh and I also found it funny how I never saw anyone chatting up Mat Lalonde in the hallways, while pretty much every other speaker was constantly barraged by questions. He is definitely a chemistry stud. I enjoyed his speech but certainly went in and out of comprehension.

E34fbfa1bca9ae970c9c7313bf9de9f8

(1436)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:39 PM

I also liked Forencich's presentation.. especially how he touched on how our minds drawn to certain landscapes and habitats. The video he showed was moving. He has an good book on many of these themes called "Change your body, Change the World".

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:38 PM

I need to see this ASAP.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:37 PM

yes enough about the kitavans. haha! As for Taubes, he asked Stephan about certain cultures that eat simple unrewarding diets and are obese, and about mom's that are obese with starving kids. His point is well taken. However he kept chiming in with progressively ruder comments saying something to blatantly insult Stephan.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:32 PM

@aravind congrats and I'm so tired of hearing about the kitavans. #honeybadgermeme

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 04:28 PM

Agreed Danielle, but now I pretty much have to agree with everything you say. As the saying goes, happy wife happy life! Seriously I do agree

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:26 PM

Background: from what i've read, taubes asked Stephan to review his book- i don't know if it was gcbc or wwgf- buy Stephan told him that he was off on making insulin the end all be all, if I remember correctly. So there may be a little rivalry there.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:25 PM

Taubes wasn't the only dick

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 04:22 PM

Taubes was a dick, plain and simple, while Stephan maintained his class. And Taubes is one to question people on cherry picking data. Kitavins anyone?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:19 PM

I'd love to know the pith of his criticism. Was it just a disparaging remark, or did he raise specific questions?

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:15 PM

I take Nordic naturals omega-3, fantastic products.

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(0)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:06 PM

Taubes said what needed to be said. His way of saying it? Another issue altogether.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on August 07, 2011
at 02:40 PM

That's a good thing because I'm packing some serious saturated fat lately. I have been neglecting my Omega 3 lately though. I'm waiting on some money so I can do fish oil capsules. I like Life Extension products. Do you have a recommendation for omega 3 supplements?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 02:00 PM

Cordain stance is softening on this......we heard that at this conference.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 08:40 AM

Erwan LeCorre was just unreal........he rocked me. Lustigs talk on science was just raising my testosterone.......he finally got what I put in my quilt......and in two weeks its gonna be published in the Journal of Pediatrics. Folks Paleo has just turned a corner.

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D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 06:14 PM

Ok, my 2 cents. More commentary than value judgement

  • Boyd Eaton : His social commentary was very unexpected. Part of me was disappointed because I was hoping to hear more of his substantive research. Having said that, I think the social aspects of Paleo are so important, I'm glad that he focused on this irrespective of one's political / social ideological views
  • Loren Cordain : Nothing new at all. Not surprising
  • Guy-Andre Pelouze : Interesting. Dry delivery but getting the perspective of a guy that actually sees cardiovascular damage for a living and is a skeptic was cool
  • Don Matesz : He outlined a framework for his about-face but didn't bring it home in my opinion. Perhaps he will do so on the blog??? He was much softer spoken than I expected given his strong voice online
  • Stephan Guyenet : Nothing new since I've devoured the Food Reward series online, but I had to see him since I have a man crush on him. The Gary Taubes incident (with me as the collateral damage) was worth it. Almost makes up for the fact I missed Emily Deans since she was booked at the same time slot. I REALLY wanted to see her too
  • Dr BG and Tim Gerstmar : Dr BG was AWESOME. Super smart and super hot too. Lethal combination. This was one of my more favorite sessions because of the content and lively delivery
  • Craig Stanford : His background and experience in the field was fascinating. I don't think he adequately bridged the gap to humans but still it was interesting because if Don Matesz were smart, he would collaborate with this guy to support his about-face
  • Richard Feinman - Crotchy old guy with a great sense of humor. Loved him! At the end there were some jabs traded with Robert Lustig. Not quite of the Taubesian magnitude, but still cool to see giants in their field start to go at it. Lustig basically challenged Feinman that all carbs are not equal. Sound familiar???
  • Chris Masterjohn : There is a reason the word MASTER is in his name. He is the master of this stuff. Such a fluid delivery that even though it was nothing new, it still had me captivated. He is certainly on my Paleo man crush list!
  • Mat Lalonde : I'm soooo sick of the C-word - CONTEXT - but Mat drove the point home regarding the importance of context and substance in making arguments that are going to convince the scientific community. I was a little disappointed because he left us hanging regarding what his Paleo prescription is, but overall very deep presentation.
  • Denise Minger : Great energy and personality (and smoking hot). Not as scientific a topic as her China Study demolishment, but it was as much as possible given the topic. And Kamal threw me under the bus in front of 300 meat eaters. So the biggest dick at AHS was not Taubes, it was Kamal :-) EDIT - I talked to her later and we might hook up to talk about my "coming out" forced by Kamal. Maybe she will blog about it ?!!?
  • Nora Gedgaudas : Great topic. Most boring (i.e. noring) delivery of anyone I've seen. But based on the topic, I now need to add her book to the reading backlog
  • Melissa McEwen : This was not the kind of topic I expected from Melissa based on her sweet spot of Paleo commentary. She knocked it out of the park!!! I have even more respect for her now
  • Richard Nikoley : To summarize - "I've self experimented. Some shit worked. Some didn't. Overall lost 60 lbs. How about you?". He really had an opportunity to make this a great discussion topic. Not bad, just marginally good at best I would say
  • Doug McGuff : Kamal and I, in our sleep deprived / hungover state, could not get past the amusement value that his core slide showing the biochemistry of muscular activity was hand drawn looking like a 3rd grader with a broken arm drew it. Dude, you couldn't hire a Powerpoint jock to actually make a legible picture for your core concept?

BEST MOMENT (excluding Friday bar night and the subsequent menage a trois with Danielle and Kamal) -

Day 2 late afternoon in the hallway, Kamal and I started talking to Stephan Guyenet (not the first conversation since we cornered him at my hotel lobby on Friday too). Then Chris Masterjohn and Melissa join the conversation. Next Staffan Lindeberg joins and we are talking about everything from Gary Taubes comment, the biggest gaps in Stephan's Food Reward theory, the obnoxious behavior of ItTheWoo2 on his blog, to relative importance of macronutrients, issues with n=1, etc etc. Staffan Lindeberg asked Chris to give a recap of his session and then Chris The Master-john gave an amazing recap of his session in 5 minutes like he had prepared for it. Then a dude with familial hypercholesteremia joined the discussion and it got threaded back to Lindeberg's experience on Kitava....UNBELIEVEABLE!!!! I was at full mast with this conversation with such giants in the community.

My value-add in the conversation was when we were talking to Stephan about Kitava and then Lindeberg shows up. Stephan introduces Lindeberg to us and then I ask "we are talking about the Kitavans, have you heard of them?". Stephan did know whether to laugh or simply thought I was an idiot. Likely both. My momentary jack-assedness aside, I think Kamal would agree with me that this 45 minute impromptu discussion was a highlight of the session and worth the price of travel and admission!!!

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on August 07, 2011
at 08:12 PM

BTW - I know all ABOUT Danielle. For shame, so young!

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on August 07, 2011
at 06:46 PM

sooooooooo jealous.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 06:52 PM

@LB - I asked Stephan the question you had (I think) regarding the mechanism when macronutrients are combined vs separate relative to Reward. This was actually the question I asked which Taubes cut in front of me :-) Stephan really didn't have an answer that was a slam dunk but he acknowledged that too.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on August 07, 2011
at 08:11 PM

I want the soap opera version! WHo offended whom? Who got too wasted? Who smelled from no pooing too long? How awesome is Gone2Croatan? Did Dr. K really surf? Were there any fisticuffs, or at least drinks thrown in faces???????????????? I KNOW you can deliver this kind of information.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 08:19 PM

I think I offended EVERYONE, but that was about as predictable as Danielle sleeping with me. Kamal joining us was TOTALLY unpredictable. Friday night I drank 4 long island iced teas and 2 shots of patron. Considering a long island has 4 shots per drink, that means I had the equivalent of 18 shots. The most scandalous part of the weekend was Kamal. Since I ate every meal with him, he had gluten in all but one meal. He's a total poser. Take away his Paleo card. Plus once he is tired, he makes Dr Nora seem like she is a wildcat. Henceforth, you should call Kamal Nora and his comments noring.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 09:28 PM

@LB - I'm not saying this to make you feel bad...it was AWESOME. Between the presenters, the ad hoc hallway discussions, and meeting fellow Paleo Hackers that you've "known" for so long but never met, it was a great experience. And apart from my distortion of the 3 way with Danielle/Kamal, everything I wrote really happened

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 12:40 AM

@M - I'm still your man. Just keep it on the DL :-)

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 09:30 PM

@LB - It really was a lot of fun. Between the presenters, the ad hoc hallway discussions, and meeting fellow Paleo Hackers that you've "known" for so long but never met, it was a great experience. And apart from my slight distortion of the 3 way with Danielle/Kamal, everything I wrote really happened

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on August 07, 2011
at 11:25 PM

You stole my MAN Danielle! Take that! ** (throws Martini in younger, blonder, cuter girl's face) **

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on August 07, 2011
at 11:16 PM

Meredith- what about me??!!

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 06:35 PM

plus one.......

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on August 07, 2011
at 08:58 PM

@aravind... i can't breathe. i'm definitely going next year...

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 08:30 PM

I expected Shari to be a sweetheart and she did not disappoint. G2C is a wild child - again expected.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 09:28 PM

@LB - I'm not saying this to make you feel bad...it was AWESOME. Between the presenters, the ad hoc hallway discussions, and meeting fellow Paleo Hackers that you've "known" for so long but never met, it was a great experience. And apart from my slight distortion of the 3 way with Danielle/Kamal, everything I wrote really happened

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 04:03 PM

@Jack - which part? And if you are just concluding that I am out of my mind, I am going to start calling you Don Matesz Junior - 14 years to figure it out???

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 07:57 PM

At a 10000 ft level - too many social injustices, too many people, too much us and them that needed to be addressed. It was very left wing. Interesting thing is that he claims things were different in Paleo times. For example he claimed that females were equal to males in Paleo times unlilke modern man where females are discriminated against. I'm not sure the basis for the comment. It was a very utopian view of the world. I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing, but I really wasn't expect it, so more than anything I was surprised that he spent more than 1/3 of his time discussing it

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on August 08, 2011
at 12:02 AM

*meredith's mma trainer*

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on August 08, 2011
at 08:35 PM

in a good way bro. which part? lol. your comments. you are so unhinged. it's hilarious.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on August 07, 2011
at 07:18 PM

thanks aravind... i seriously appreciate that...

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 07:02 PM

@LB - I asked Stephan the question you had (I think) regarding the mechanism when macronutrients are combined vs separate relative to Reward. This was actually the question I asked which Taubes cut in front of me :-) Stephan really didn't have an answer that was a slam dunk IMO but he acknowledged that too.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on August 07, 2011
at 08:31 PM

Nora is not a Dr. she just needs some carbs. This is excellent reporting A. EXCELLENT!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on August 09, 2011
at 12:29 AM

Aravind is the John Madden of Paleohacks. Get that man a telestrator.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 08:21 PM

I think I offended EVERYONE, but that was about as predictable as Danielle sleeping with me. Kamal joining us was TOTALLY unpredictable. Friday night I drank 4 long island iced teas and 2 shots of patron. Considering a long island has 4 shots per drink, that means I had the equivalent of 18 shots. The most scandalous part of the weekend was Kamal. Since I ate every meal with him, I witnessed gluten in all but one meal. He's a total poser. Take away his Paleo card. Plus once he is tired, he makes Dr Nora seem like she is a wildcat. Henceforth, you should call Kamal Nora and his comments noring

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on August 08, 2011
at 07:23 PM

Aravind -- what was did Boyd Eatonn social commentary consist of?

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on August 08, 2011
at 03:15 PM

you are outta your freakin mind aravind.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 09, 2011
at 12:37 AM

Here would be an example of my telestrator usage - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1z03b1wveM

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on August 09, 2011
at 12:31 AM

More things out of left field from Boyd Eaton: Oscar Wilde had it hard, Ellen has it easy. One child policies should maybe be enforced everywhere.

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21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on August 07, 2011
at 11:14 PM

Paleohackers: All were totally amazingly cool. Conversation was a good mix of nutrition discussion, bad jokes, and debauchery. Interesting tidbit: WCC Paul looks like Dr. House.

Stephan Guyenet: So cool. The Steve McQueen of paleo. Everybody was really nice (well, maybe not Taubes), but Stephan especially seems like he's chillaxing 24/7, even though he has a ton of knowledge about everything. I do not see why Gary Taubes was antagonistic. Stephan presented a hypothesis. He clearly said that food reward was one important factor out of many. Nobody has to be the paleo alpha male with a unifying theory to explain everything.

Chris Masterjohn: Also so cool. Stephan and Chris are both the type who are not wedded to their opinions. Very curious about other people's viewpoints and logical in discussion. Chris is a dynamite presenter. If someone had to give a yearly state-of-the-union address for the paleo community, I would nominate him. I hope he graduates soon and starts the definitive paleo clinical trial.

Don Matesz: I'm not sure what to make of his presentation, but it was interesting. On the one hand, he bucked the system in so far as he looked at alternative views of animal-based diets vs plant-based diets. There are some things that I am curious about and want to read more about. On the other hand, I wonder if he is retrofitting nutrition information into his eastern medicine ideology of "draining" plants and "congesting" vegetables without good reason.

Final verdict: AHS was by far the most interesting and fun conference I've ever been to. I really appreciate the companionship of fellow paleohackers, and the effort that (most) presenters went to. I hope that Aravind and Danielle have a wonderful life together. Presuming that there is a conference next year, I hope to talk more to some paleohackers that I briefly encountered (Food Lovers, Dave S., etc etc). Paleo draws in some very cool people.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 11:31 PM

Oh and lest we forget "man is blasé". WTF dude???

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on August 07, 2011
at 11:40 PM

Man Is Blasé!!!

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on August 08, 2011
at 01:10 AM

it was great meeting the paleohacks crowd IRL!

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on August 08, 2011
at 01:18 AM

And let's not forget, boys: Woman also blasé.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 11:21 PM

Kamal - you are the bastard love child of our marriage

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 11:49 PM

I keep hearing that quote in my head and am LMFAO!!!

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98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

on August 07, 2011
at 07:16 PM

Most of the speakers were just excellent. I was so surprised by Denise Minger and what a funny and witty and all around wonderful person she seems to be. Not to get all gushy but she has a beautiful spirit. I look forward to seeing her continuing contributions to the community.

Mat Lalonde presented a hugely surprising message but a very needed one I think. I would like more on how to integrate his message though. I just wasn't quite sure what to do with it.

Melissa's talk was terrific. I probably heard the most new information from her.

I really loved hearing Robb live and in person. He is truly the golden boy and the one who will carry the message to the masses. We could not ask for a better messenger.

I was supremely disappointing in Gary Taubes treatment of Stephan. He reprimanded Stephan during the Q7A of Stephan's presentation and it was unnecessary. Stephan handled it with grace and dignity. Gary was simply rude and disrespectful and I really lost some respect for him.

From the comments here it seems I missed some really great presentations and I look forward to seeing them online. I actually look forward to watching all the presentations over again. I was in some horrendous back pain the last few days and had to take some pain medication that zoned me out quite a bit so even though I was there I think I really wasn't ALL there unfortunately.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 07:29 PM

Actually I should have written that Danielle has the picture. She posted it on her FB page. Right along with the classy one of me and her

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on August 07, 2011
at 07:22 PM

I took a wonderful photo??? THIS I have to see. I am sure it was just the reflection of your uber-studdliness making me look good. Or else I was shitfaced, lol. I can't wait to see it!

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on August 08, 2011
at 12:58 AM

OK I have read all about the Gary Taubes / Stephan Guyenet smackdown but I still have no idea what actually happened. What was this question posed by Taubes that keeps being obliquely discussed on Twitter and PaleoHacks?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 07:18 PM

I have a wonderful picture of the two of us that I will post to FB. If Danielle was not so jealous, I would totally make it my PH profile pic :-)

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on August 07, 2011
at 02:47 PM

Emily Deans' presentation was one of the first of the weekend to offer new information. She was also humble and charming. Very impressive and useful information, most people know someone suffering from depression. I was interested to learn more about the magnesium deficiency and it's relation tithe stress response. Very well done and well delivered.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on August 07, 2011
at 06:37 PM

For sure!!!!!!!

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47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on August 08, 2011
at 11:44 PM

Ok, we'll have to keep in mind that I was either too hungover or too blas?? to attend too many of the talks, but I think I still have a few interesting things to say, and to reverse paraphrase Aravind, opinions are like flowers, and I don't think it smells nice enough in here yet.

My favorites were the following (I'll let you decide if they're in alphabetical order or not):

Don Matesz. I thought the talk had a nice shape to it, which I appreciate. He set us up with a bunch of anti-establishment sounding material which got my riled up, but by the end he had me thinking he was a very reasonable man. I didn't think his message was really all that low-fat. Really the take away from it was: if you're going to be eating a lot of meat and fat, make sure you're also getting a lot of bitter and planty things along with it: tea, coffee, cilantro, arugula, lemons, spices, you name it. Judging by the interest we've shown in this question about herbs from yesterday, I think there might be some sympathy for this point of view. Don backed it up with some research and also with some Eastern philosophy, but I've backed it up with my own self-experimentation, which matters quite a bit to me.

Incidentally, the idea that we should eat lots of herbs and spices might be somewhat at odds with Stephan's food reward ideas. This could be another productive tension for us paleo thinkers.

Melissa McEwen. I might be choosing this as one of my favorites just because I share Melissa's obsession with gut health, but I might also be choosing it because I found it very persuasive. We just need to think a whole lot more about why different people's guts are so vastly different (even people who are very similar genetically). Every time I hear about gut health I'm reminded of what happened when I was once giving a lecture on trees (don't ask) and a mushroom specialist in the audience told me that trees wouldn't be alive if it weren't for the fungi living around their roots in a co-dependent way. There's a big interconnected world out there and it's important for us humans not to forget that a lot of it is microscopic.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on August 09, 2011
at 12:48 AM

More fodder for a roundtable debate/discussion next year. What would you recommend as the best generic weight-loss template for a paleo eater? Sit some luminaries around a table (Stephan with the food reward, Don armed with his plants, etc etc) and let them have at it.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on August 09, 2011
at 03:23 AM

In general I think there could have been a lot more Q-and-A and also discussion between speakers at the conference. No time for that, you say? Well, just have fewer speakers. Once it becomes an annual thing you can institute a rule that no one can speak on consecutive years. I know of an academic society in the United States that does that.

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64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on August 07, 2011
at 10:25 PM

I would like to give some props to Robb Wolf as well. I didn't watch his talk, I chose to see Matesz, which was underwhelming although his point about fructose turning to fat without the presence of vitamin c (as in fruits) was interesting and perhaps should be included along with Lustig's theories about fiber being required for proper metabolism.

Robb probably has the biggest 'rock star' type of following. Whether or not it is warranted is up for debate, but he has probably brought more people into the paleo world than anybody else (although I was paleo before I knew of him).

He was swamped by people pretty much constantly, but always was polite, attentive, and happy to answer everybody's questions. Also, when he would comment during the q&a sessions they were always positive, poignant comments. As opposed to others who appeared to have more interest in cutting people down, stroking their own egos, or promoting their own theories.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on August 07, 2011
at 10:55 PM

yeah, and kudos to you for coming out in front of all those people! Sorry we didn't get to meet, I was sitting right in the front row next you and taubes during the whole 'incident'.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 10:42 PM

I loved Robb's comment at the end of Denise's presentation. "if people aren't interested in Paleo, fuck 'em!"

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on August 08, 2011
at 03:30 AM

Around Eades or Wolf?

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on August 07, 2011
at 11:15 PM

I saw more than a few middle aged women clammering around him too lol

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on August 07, 2011
at 11:06 PM

Apparently lots of young men have man-crushes on Robb Wolf, as they were buzzing around him. There were just as many people buzzing around Dr. Mike Eades. Definitely a split between the low- and high-carbers.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on August 09, 2011
at 05:01 AM

around wolf actually

0faecc3397025eab246241f4dcd81f5e

(2361)

on August 11, 2011
at 01:16 AM

I hope you are not referring to me! (I admit it - I was one of the middle aged women who made sure I met Robb ...) Shall I put it in context, I moderate on his forum and am a (paleo) nutritionist from New Zealand.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on August 11, 2011
at 01:30 AM

haha no I would have remembered the accent ;)

5
E34fbfa1bca9ae970c9c7313bf9de9f8

(1436)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:48 PM

I don't have a single favorite. My favorites were Dr. Emily Deans, Boyd Eaton, and Dr BG. Boyd Eaton's insightful discussion of the human condition set a great tone. Dr. Deans presentation on evolutionary psychiatry was fascinating. Dr. BG was funny and provided very practical info on the gut. I'm looking forward to watching the other half of the symposium online.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:52 PM

Plus one........

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on August 07, 2011
at 10:30 PM

Yeah, Dr. BG is a trip. Transitions between sex jokes and poop jokes with ease. Lots of good recommendations in her presentation. I haven't looked at her blog since it went off line a long time ago, but it's time to give it another look...

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:51 PM

Dr. BG was really good too. Forgot about her.

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65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:24 PM

My favorite two speakers were Boyd Eaton and Frank Forencich. Eaton's perspective on global and societal problems is similar to mine and to hear him tie that in an ancestral lifestyle was very interesting. Forencich's presentation was about learning from hunter-gatherers to observe the world around us and use our brains to figure out patterns in nature etc. He talked about the "zoo" we live in (LeCorre's term)and what it means to be fit in an evolutionary and natural way. I would love to check out his seminar in October. I will post his website when I get my notebook out of my car.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 07, 2011
at 09:21 PM

I'm looking at the slides from his presentation right now. Oh, it's just killing me that I couldn't be there. Thanks to everyone for tweeting, blogging, and hacking about it.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 08:01 PM

Plus one.......

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 08:03 PM

@Danielle - This is going to be complicated, but stick with me ok....

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on August 07, 2011
at 05:28 PM

Andy, I was wondering if he had a book. I'll check it out, thanks.

E34fbfa1bca9ae970c9c7313bf9de9f8

(1436)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:39 PM

I also liked Forencich's presentation.. especially how he touched on how our minds drawn to certain landscapes and habitats. The video he showed was moving. He has an good book on many of these themes called "Change your body, Change the World".

24fcc21452ebe39c032be6801d6bbadd

(9812)

on August 08, 2011
at 02:10 AM

Frank was very cool; I really liked him too!

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:49 PM

Plus one.......

5
64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on August 07, 2011
at 03:50 PM

I really enjoyed Chris Masterjohn and lustig the most.

I had a moment of clarity when Dr. Eades suggested that the liver (and not the pancreas) is what should be regulating blood sugar. Makes perfect sense, and modern diets are burning out peoples' pancrease.

I lost a litte respect for Taubes, it's one thing to question Stephan's hypotheses but he went a step too far and was just plain insulting.

Also really learned a lot about what makes a good presenter/presentation, and what makes a bad one, aside from their beliefs of knowledge they're sharing.

All in all I really enjoyed it though. And yes that jerky was awesome.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 02:02 AM

@The Loon - "he had it coming"...are you for real?!?!

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 04:43 PM

LET ME BE CLEAR - I am not making any commentary on the merits of either Stehpan's or Gary's theories, who is right/wrong. I just think Taubes was being a bit hypocritical since he has been accused of the exact same thing. He showed no class at the end. And yes I am sick of the Kitavans too :-)

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on August 07, 2011
at 11:21 PM

There were no drinks thrown, because then there would be a dispute as to the proper sweetener? Fructose?? Sucralose?? Another exitotoxin?? White wine or red?? Did anyone see Dr. Eades slip out for a soft drink?? (Hope it was diet.)

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on August 07, 2011
at 05:32 PM

I uploaded my AHS pics to facebook during mat lalonde's talk

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:19 PM

I'd love to know the pith of his criticism. Was it just a disparaging remark, or did he raise specific questions?

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on August 08, 2011
at 06:14 AM

Hey, I would have liked "possible" instead of "dominant". Or, if he had stopped at banning tasty junk, and not gone so far as banning spices for fat people. But Taubes got him. Are babies really fat cause the food tastes so good?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 04:22 PM

Taubes was a dick, plain and simple, while Stephan maintained his class. And Taubes is one to question people on cherry picking data. Kitavins anyone?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 05:07 PM

And Stephen is a big boy. I'm sure he is not going to let it bother him or affect what he does. It might get him to think from a different angle now and then.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:38 PM

I need to see this ASAP.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:55 PM

Dominant and the factor are synonyms for the low carb community. So Stephen may have changed his phraseology. That seems to be a major thing to hack here on pale hacks. Don't I know that.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 07:02 PM

LOL............That would have made the conference even better.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 06:28 PM

LOL at Aravind.....you could have tripped him up before he unleashed his tirade.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 05:05 PM

Well when you're Taubes going up against the establishment like Oz and th USDA and the federal govt....he has to sharpen his claws and canines before the hunt. He sure looked soft as shit to me on Oz and pissed me off how he laid down. He now found some game

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 04:28 PM

Agreed Danielle, but now I pretty much have to agree with everything you say. As the saying goes, happy wife happy life! Seriously I do agree

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 04:52 PM

Stephan has been explicit in stating that Food Reward is a DOMINANT factor, not THE factor. He has stated. To quote hime - "First, I want to point out that although food reward is important, it's not the only factor. Heritable factors (genetics and epigenetics), developmental factors (uterine environment, childhood diet), lifestyle factors (exercise, sleep, stress) and dietary factors besides reward also play a role. That's why I called this series "a dominant factor in obesity", rather than "the dominant factor in obesity".

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on August 07, 2011
at 08:54 PM

Why didn't anyone throw a drink in anyone's face during all of this? I had to read this all on Twitter people. Please say a drink got thrown at some point!

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:40 PM

Oh and I also found it funny how I never saw anyone chatting up Mat Lalonde in the hallways, while pretty much every other speaker was constantly barraged by questions. He is definitely a chemistry stud. I enjoyed his speech but certainly went in and out of comprehension.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 04:56 PM

@Quilt - I think debate and dispute is wonderful and ultimately we are better off as a result. AGAIN, I took exception to the classless manner of delivery

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on August 07, 2011
at 10:27 PM

Aravind threw at least ten drinks down his throat in a short period of time.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 04:42 PM

LET ME BE CLEAR - I am not making any commentary on the merits of either Stehpan's or Gary's theories, who is right/wrong. I just Taubes was being a bit hypocritical since he has been accused of the exact same thing. He showed no class at the end. And yes I am sick of the Kitavans too :-)

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 04:54 PM

...with the exception that now he seems to be more focused on refined carbs and sugar, both of which I agree as being relatively deleterious. However I cannot accept the indictment of an entire class of macronutrients as being the CAUSE of metabolic derangement. AFTER ONE IS DERANGED, perhaps the remediation involves control of one/more macronutrients

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:45 PM

Interesting to see how others reacted to Taubes. My take is quite different. I guess our perceptions do color our reality

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(0)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:06 PM

Taubes said what needed to be said. His way of saying it? Another issue altogether.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on August 08, 2011
at 03:34 AM

Yes, not because he's not a nice guy and all that, but because the theory is wrong.

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:26 PM

Background: from what i've read, taubes asked Stephan to review his book- i don't know if it was gcbc or wwgf- buy Stephan told him that he was off on making insulin the end all be all, if I remember correctly. So there may be a little rivalry there.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 04:53 PM

Stephan has been explicit in stating that Food Reward is a DOMINANT factor, not THE factor. To quote him - "First, I want to point out that although food reward is important, it's not the only factor. Heritable factors (genetics and epigenetics), developmental factors (uterine environment, childhood diet), lifestyle factors (exercise, sleep, stress) and dietary factors besides reward also play a role. That's why I called this series "a dominant factor in obesity", rather than "the dominant factor in obesity"....Gary Taubes however remains intransigent in his position...

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on August 07, 2011
at 11:28 PM

Robb Wolf (whilst wearing an eye patch) would have thrown a NorCal Margarita in Matt Lalonde's face (Matt would be stroking his pet iguana at the time) over a lover's spat in the hallway. THIS is what happens when you are at home with no TV, 2 kids and a silly imagination.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 06:39 PM

@Quilt - I seriously wanted to give him a beat down since Stephan is my boy!!! His glycogen-depleted, carbophobic ass wouldn't stand a chance!

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:25 PM

Taubes wasn't the only dick

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 05:10 PM

Actually here is my biggest issue which you will see in the post game video. You will notice that Gary Taubes actually cut in front of me to ask his question. HE CUT IN FRONT OF ME! Does he know who I am??? Oh yeah, no he doesn't :-)

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 08, 2011
at 03:49 AM

I agree that the theory is wrong, Loon, or at least underwhelming. I would have agreed with it if he'd called it "A possible factor in minor weight gain." I do think there's something interesting in the idea of "cartoon-like" food; that is, food that over-promises with exaggerated taste profiles but under-delivers on actual nutrients, so the body is prompted to wolf down bagsful to try to scrape out those fugitive nutrients. But obesity, diabetes, and the other DOCs started long before Cheetos, and Taubes has shown pretty convincingly that the culprits are refined sugar and flour.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 11:45 AM

@The Loon - not liking the theory, n=1 anecdotes, etc, are not exactly refutations of his theory. Taubes didn't "get him". Since perhaps you did not read what I wrote earlier, here is a quote from Stephan in his blog regarding the theory - "First, I want to point out that although food reward is important, it's not the only factor. Heritable factors (genetics and epigenetics), developmental factors (uterine environment, childhood diet), lifestyle factors (exercise, sleep, stress) and dietary factors besides reward also play a role. That's why I called this series "a dominant factor in obesity"

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 04:12 PM

@The Loon - I've read EVERY one of those posts including the comments. For the last time, did you read the paragraph I wrote in the previous comment? I guess not. I did not say n=1 is irrelevant. But n=1 is not the basis of a theory nor d0 confounders necessarily invalidate a theory as being materially correct. I'm not going to argue with you. I don't have an axe to grind since I don't owe stock in Stephan, inc. If you don't like his theory, then don't buy into it. But you are not making any cogent, scientific arguments against it. And for the last time, I did not say his theory was "right"

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:54 PM

Well aravind.....I railed Taubes on my podcast.....and it appears his new approach will serve him well when he faces Dr Oz again. And just so you know....in the low carb world Stephen pissed off a lot of obese people with that series and Taubes was having none of it. I understand where you're coming from but I have no problem with disputes in a tribe. In the end they are all good in my view.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 04:14 PM

@The Loon - and your comment that he has a "I'm a PhD and you're not" attitude is the most absurd thing I've read on PH in a long time. For being a such a learned person, he is anything but arrogant. Your ad-hominem attacks absent any substantive rebuttal only makes your position weaker.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 04:48 PM

@Quilt - maybe we might agree since the substance of the argument is a different issue as I noted. However the delivery in a public forum, particularly since Stephan Guyenet is probably one of the most thoughtful and nicest guys in this space just made it very inappropriate.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 07, 2011
at 11:37 PM

@Loon - not sure what blog you are reading. SG is so not arrogant and "I'm a PhD". And to say he had it coming...are you for real??? If so, GFY

66e6b190e62fb3bcf42d4c60801c7bf6

(12407)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:32 PM

@aravind congrats and I'm so tired of hearing about the kitavans. #honeybadgermeme

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:37 PM

yes enough about the kitavans. haha! As for Taubes, he asked Stephan about certain cultures that eat simple unrewarding diets and are obese, and about mom's that are obese with starving kids. His point is well taken. However he kept chiming in with progressively ruder comments saying something to blatantly insult Stephan.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:49 PM

Thanks, Jeff, for the report, and Aravind, for clarifying. Since they're not in my social circle, their dickishness or class doesn't really interest me; I just want us to get the obesity model right. It sounds like Taubes raised sound objections. There's also the question of infant obesity in addition to the obese mothers/starving kids scenario (which has always seemed to me an extraordinarily compelling counterexample to the simple overeating hypothesis of obesity).

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 07:59 PM

@The Loon - let's just agree to disagree and move on.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on August 07, 2011
at 04:47 PM

I loved Matt stuff.....he had to say what he said to many. I can't wait to show his talk to my endocrinology buddies so they can remove their heads from their asses on their stance on bioidenticals vs synthetic hormones. Critical shit in my profession right now.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on August 07, 2011
at 11:00 PM

Guyenet had a bit too much of the "I'm a PhD and you're not" vibe on his blog. Maybe more from his fans than what he actually posted. I think he had it coming. But Quilt, you're right, Guyenet is about the nicest guy on the planet.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 04:14 PM

@The Loon - and your comment that he has a "I'm a PhD and you're not" comment is the most absurd thing I've read on PH in a long time. For being a such a learned person, he is anything but arrogant. Your ad-hominem attacks absent any substantive rebuttal only makes your position weaker.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on August 08, 2011
at 03:37 PM

N=1 "anecdotes" as you call them, always beat out theory in my book. And, if you read through all the posts and comments, it is clear that he believes it to a/the dominant, and not just one of the many factors. (By "get him" did you mean Taubes nailed it, or that he didn't understand what was said?)

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on August 08, 2011
at 04:50 PM

Go back and re-read what I said, and then go chill

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on August 08, 2011
at 04:10 PM

The Loon - I've read EVERY one of those posts including the comments. For the last time, did you read the paragraph I wrote in the previous comment? I guess not. I did not say n=1 is irrelevant. But n=1 is not the basis of a theory nor due confounders invalidate a theory as being materially correct. I'm not going to argue with you. I don't have an axe to grind since I don't owe stock in Stephan, inc. If you don't like his theory, then don't buy into it. But you are not making any cogent, scientific arguments against it. Regardless, whatever works for you is what works for you.

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at 01:46 PM

Thank you for the link. I couldn't find the link for LeCorre and Minger but I read Cordain's rebuttal to the Yahoo Main Page hit-piece on Paleo. It sounds like Cordain is not so big on bacon/sausage. It sounds like he's more for lean meats and omega-3 fats over saturated fat.

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on August 07, 2011
at 05:45 PM

Thanks Danielle. I will look for it. I googled it and found a source nearby. Thanks!

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

yes cordain seemed to begrudgingly softening on this

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on August 07, 2011
at 04:15 PM

I take Nordic naturals omega-3, fantastic products.

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on August 07, 2011
at 02:00 PM

Cordain stance is softening on this......we heard that at this conference.

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on August 07, 2011
at 06:56 PM

No prob! They have a great vitamin D in extra virgin olive oil as well.

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on August 07, 2011
at 07:01 PM

Cool! With fall right around the corner, I will be stocking up on Vitamin D and Omega 3 soon. Or else my seasonal affective disorder will turn me into a grouch.

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on August 07, 2011
at 02:40 PM

That's a good thing because I'm packing some serious saturated fat lately. I have been neglecting my Omega 3 lately though. I'm waiting on some money so I can do fish oil capsules. I like Life Extension products. Do you have a recommendation for omega 3 supplements?

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on August 11, 2011
at 01:23 AM

Frank Forencich's talk on ancestral health and Michael Mew's talk on orthotropics.

Michael's talk because it opened my eyes to information that I didn't know: the shape of the face is postural. And our facial posture is deteriorating.

Frank's talk because it was THE talk that was actually about ancestral health. What would health actually have looked like to our ancestors? Hint... it's A LOT more than diet and exercise.

Thought the whole experience was fantastic and enjoyed every talk I went to.

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at 07:03 AM

I didn't see michaels. I will have to check out the video, sounds interesting.

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on August 09, 2011
at 12:18 AM

Anyone run into Paul Jaminet? I understand that he attended. If they get him to speak at the next one, I'm there.

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on August 09, 2011
at 12:33 AM

He was wearing powder blue Vibrams. Total badass.

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on August 09, 2011
at 12:24 AM

Kamal and I sat near him and his wife during the Doug McGuff session and a couple times in the hallway. Really wanted to talk to him but couldn't make it happen. Bummed! I am a big PHD fan. Great book and blog!

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at 03:30 AM

Aravind, wish we'd gotten a chance. It's great to put faces to web names. Travis, I do expect to speak next year. Will also be speaking at the WAPF Wise Traditions meeting in November, and at some local New England events the next few months.

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on August 09, 2011
at 04:45 AM

I'm so happy I got to meet Paul and Shou-Ching! They are just the nicest people you can imagine. They were so kind and even asked me to join them for lunch!!! The highlight of my day:) Really looking forward to Paul's talk next year.

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on August 09, 2011
at 02:02 AM

yeah, they were definitely around, but I didn't get to talk to them much

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on August 09, 2011
at 05:01 AM

Paul, a bunch of us ate rice for dinner in honor of you two. Looking forward to your talk next year. Nobody talked much about supplements, and I know you know a thing or two about that.

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on August 09, 2011
at 04:56 AM

I also really loved the presentation by Dr. BG and Tim Gerstmar. Lots of useful, interesting information and amazing delivery too. It all just started to click in my head. Lots to think about. I even got to meet them too...

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on August 09, 2011
at 01:06 AM

I was working there and missed so many talks, but I really liked Minger, Lustig, Gedgaudis. I can't wait for the videos.

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on August 08, 2011
at 03:37 AM

The Scandinavians. "We're from Norway," over and over again. Too patient.

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on August 07, 2011
at 11:04 PM

I enjoyed Dr. Feinman's talk of the talks I attended.

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on August 07, 2011
at 04:50 PM

Erwan LeCorre, Lustig Matt and Jaime .......

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on August 07, 2011
at 08:25 PM

@LB - I really want to believe that (transgenerational) epigenetics will play itself out. I think this is still consistent with my statement. The metabolic derangement that was passed onto may not have been caused by macronutrient ratios being skewed. However once you received that derangement, perhaps the reversal/control of it required macronutrient control. Thanks for your personal experience here!!!

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on August 07, 2011
at 07:58 PM

The answer is epigenetic switches and that is why you dont have an answer. Once you know how your switches are set you get your answer. In a few years I think it will be paleo MD doctoring 101 so to speak. Right now only nuts like me do on myself.

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on August 07, 2011
at 08:14 PM

i accidentally did on myself and figured it out too. people who've known me all my life marvel because very few ppl know those who had childhood obesity and finally figure everything out in their thirties. enough reading and experimenting seems to be key. the thing is, it's worked on everyone else who've tried it. once u get the metabolism acting right, over time, your body reverts more or less to the way its most efficient way of operating. to get new testament on that ass, "all things are lawful but not expedient"

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on August 07, 2011
at 06:31 PM

plus one Rose......I appreciate your words. I think all of our community has to realize that we need look out for one another. Dr Eefeldt made this exact point in his talk when he said low carb community could teach the paleo community a lot and vice versa.....His talk, especially the changing color of the US map since 1985 with respect to BMI was eye popping. Jimmy Moore got me to reading Eenfeldt and he is a real nice guy.

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on August 07, 2011
at 05:14 PM

Thanks, Quilt, for your detailed blog post on AHS -- it really made me wish I'd been there. And I agree with your note above about Taubes growing claws. He's taken on a giant burden (it's pretty clear he's the face of the revolution, whether everyone here agrees with him in all respects or not) and I suspect it's way bigger than he ever thought it would be years ago when he set out to write GCBC.

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on August 07, 2011
at 08:10 PM

Quilt - I agree. You are a nut, but not a coconut, more like a peanut which isn't really a nut. Stick with me on this one

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on August 07, 2011
at 07:00 PM

Quilt - just read your AHS summary on the blog. Good stuff

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on August 07, 2011
at 07:06 PM

There needs to be a a discussion between low carb and high carb paleo sides of this tribe. If you want large scale acceptance my the scientific community and medicine this bridge building has to occur. Like it or not.....Taubes is a leader who can apply leverage alone that most of us cant. As Erwan Le Corre pointed out in his lecture when we band together we can do far more than we can do alone. And when we work together it makes us feel better and decrease our stress level.

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on August 07, 2011
at 07:15 PM

As I have asserted many times (but without the street cred to back it up), we need to clearly distinguish between the importance of macronutrients vis-a-vis the CAUSE of metabolic derangement and REMEDIATION once metabolic derangement occurs. I think the continued blurring of this line is a DOMINANT factor in the two sides of the debate

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on August 08, 2011
at 05:26 PM

Aravind likes to steal my jokes. Is that what married couples do?

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on August 08, 2011
at 10:03 PM

Yes honey. Behind every good man is a great woman.

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on August 07, 2011
at 05:07 PM

Definitely Craig Stanford, Emily Deans, Jamie Scott, Denise Minger, and Mat Lalonde! I loved Chris', but I had heard it about 5 times already ;)

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on August 07, 2011
at 06:24 PM

Melissa yours was really awesome too! I learned a whole lot of new things, whereas some of the others were just preaching to the choir

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on August 07, 2011
at 10:52 PM

Nerdiest in a good way paleo couple: Melissa and Chris

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