Ketogenesis and Aminos

Answered on December 29, 2011
Created December 29, 2011 at 4:17 AM

First couple of days felt fine and then massive fatigue at gym, tired during day, slight fluish. I am not using the pee sticks but I am certain I am burning ketones instead of glucose. Here is a question though...I usually take some Aminos before working out (about a gram or two). Are these considered protein? Could they actually mess with the balance to continue ketogenesis (80% fat, 20% protein/carbs)? And I am actually feeling normal again (without fatigue and fluishness). :-)

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on December 29, 2011
at 11:10 AM

It's going to take a while for you to get used to training while keto.

In my experience:
I needed to take longer rest periods in between sets, basically take a longer breather. The total amount of work that I could do in a session was lesser. I would lift, and then suddenly feel as if I have no energy left to move weight. Not the kind of "muscles getting tired" as before, but a whole body "no energy" feeling. Anyway, I trained keto for 3-4 months, and then switched to what some people would call "targeted carbs".

Essentially I eat carbs in the morning, and then PWO, roughly 60g each time. This way I'm predominately using fat as a fuel source, but still get the benefits of having glycogen in my muscles. I can tell when I eat more carbs in a day, as my muscles fill out more, so I suppose I could be eating more carbs to refill my muscles, but for now, it works fine for me.

In my opinion, if you want to lift heavy weight, and do it often with a moderate intensity, you're going to have to eat some carbs.

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on December 29, 2011
at 03:22 PM

What aminos are you taking? 10g of BCAA 2x-3x while fasted would work nicely without kicking you out of ketosis.

If you're taking plain old protein powder, whey does cause an insulin response and might kick you out of ketosis depending on the dose.



on December 29, 2011
at 10:37 AM

Yes, the aminos are cosidered protein, since every protein (except some nasty lectins etc.) is hydrolyzed inside your stomach and eventually forms amino acids. I suppose the "Aminos" that you take is already hydrolyzed protein to help your body absorb it, but nonetheless it counts as protein. BUT: One gram or two, as you say, won't do any harm. Plus, workout burns much more energy than gluconeogenesis can produce from 2 grams of protein.

Dependig on the intensity of your workout you might consider eating a bit more protein, or even carbs. If you feel that after a few weeks (fully keto-adapted) you're always getting hit by weakness during the training, this might be an option.

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