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Do you balance the Amino Acids in your diet?

Answered on November 28, 2015
Created April 09, 2014 at 3:12 AM

As per the most recent scientific consensus there are three types of amino acids:

-Essential

-Conditionally Essential

-Non Essential

Muscle meats such as chicken are VERY high in the essential amino acids. Tendons, skin, etc are extremely high in some of the conditionally essential amino acids such as Glycine and Proline. Glycine seems to cleave excess methionine and prevent ROS oxidation from excess of methionine. Methionine restriction is positively associated with lifespan and dietary Glycine extends lifespan in Methionine unrestricted diets.

http://www.metabolismo.biz/web/wp-content/uploads/A-weak-link-in-glycine-metabolism.pdf

http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/meeting_abstract/25/1_MeetingAbstracts/528.2

Do you go out of your way to balance your dietary amino acid intake, Do you just go by the essential amino acids, do you find a way to meet conditionally essential amino acid needs?

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on November 28, 2015
at 09:50 PM

Very useful comment. I have MTHFR and many other mutations. Hard to find a low glutamine protein to add to my berry/beet shakes so have been using collagen, which is high methionine. Now I am concernded about the homocysteine you mention but I take tons of glycine, which is not stimulating for me but can be for others. Thanks for this important post. The collagen made my hair great but I notice I lose my love of meat...anybody else experience this? May not be methionine but this post is very helpful. Thanks.

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on April 11, 2014
at 03:30 PM

Pork cracklings and pork rinds.....that's some delicious collagen right there.

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on April 11, 2014
at 03:23 PM

I usually eat my Phở with nothing but beef tendon and a side of extra tendon. This was before @Stephen 4 brought the whole glycine thing to my attention. I just thought it was delicious! Didn't have a lot of other sources of collagen in my diet though. Going to try to add some more.

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on April 11, 2014
at 03:19 PM

When I go out for pho I usually get the beef tendon soup with an extra side of tendon! It's sooooo good! I've never seen the tendon for sale though, gotta keep an eye out. How do you prepare it?

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on April 11, 2014
at 12:04 PM

Follow you instincts and taste buds!

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on April 11, 2014
at 12:03 PM

That being said, there seem too be Some gelatinous cuts in oxtail as well, and oxtail soup tastes great, so you don't have to necessarily eat such squeamish foods to get these AAs.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on April 10, 2014
at 04:30 PM

Yes, I buy beef tendons from a local Farmer's Market by the pound and they are quite cheap. I imagine your farmer would be fine selling them to you, I'm not sure if or why he would refuse to. I eat them straight, but usually in addition to my regular meal. They do not taste like leather AT ALL. They have the consistency of a VERY thick gelatin, they do not stick to your mouth or teeth though. They almost have the consistency of a Star-burst, slightly less thick though.

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on April 10, 2014
at 04:29 PM

Do you see a mammal on my avatar?

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on April 10, 2014
at 04:24 PM

Grok had no cooking pots hence no broth. Grok had marrow instead.

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on April 10, 2014
at 04:03 PM

come again, you are getting tendons by the lb? how come my farmer does not give them to me? I will have to inquire. and you eat them straight and they are not leather?

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on April 10, 2014
at 03:40 PM

Lol, nice man, let me know how it goes!

De1095b2ba29c1035f00428cbfe3cc7c

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on April 10, 2014
at 03:33 PM

I'm just glad I have a blender so all those gloopy bits can be instantly whipped into a delicious soup rather than having to chug them down! I need to shop around so I can get some more desirable bits, i'll keep an eye out for beef tendons, gonna buy a load of pig skin aswell as I saw a vendor online. I recently made broth with my first knuckle & the amount of marrow it gave out was beautiful, the jar I poured it into was half filled with fatty marrow

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on April 10, 2014
at 03:23 PM

Well you're definitely entitled to your opinion, but saying that you don't seek out eating the most abundant amino acid in the most abundant protein in mammals because you don't want to spend all your time 'perfecting' your diet seems a little extreme though.

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on April 10, 2014
at 03:11 PM

Haha, I was eating a ton of pork rinds recently, but I got so tired of all the fried food that I switched over to some beef tendons which I am able to get at the local market for $2.50/lb. Been eating about a quarter to a half pound per day for 3 days in addition to my regular diet. So far the only thing I've noticed is a change in my bowel movements. I've been getting 4s on the Bristol Stool chart along with a nice brown color and no sign of undigested veggies. It's probably just something I'll continue to include in my diet in moderation moving forward.

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on April 10, 2014
at 02:59 PM

I shall get back on the pigs feet broth asap!

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on April 10, 2014
at 02:53 PM

Lol, right! Collagen is literally the most abundant protein in humans [1]. And on a daily basis in 70kg individuals we synthesize / consume about 5-6 grams per day but need about 15 grams assuming 95% recycling [2]! But even in the paleo community we consume mainly meat, organs and bone broth. We aren't consuming the skin/tendons/connective tissue on average in significant quantities, which is the most abundant protein of not only the animals we eat but of our own bodies! Eating tendons/skin undoubtedly raises serum glycine and collagen production, cheers :-) .

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on April 10, 2014
at 02:41 PM

What you eat doesn't particularly affect my daily emotions, lol.. The point of this question is not to find out if people eat balanced essential amino acids, it's to find out if people balance essential with conditionally essential amino acids in their diet. You could eat all the muscle meat in the world and have a low conditionally essential AA intake. The first part of your answer makes me think you missed the core of this question. Also rather than listing what YOU eat I feel like you just named things you may have tasted, unless you regularly eat substantial amounts of bone?

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on April 10, 2014
at 12:03 AM

To the best of my ability. So far, liver, tongue, kidneys (hidden in US Wellness Head Cheese), heart, bones, tendons, bison oxtails. So, fine, tongue to tail, happy now?

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on April 09, 2014
at 02:55 PM

Hahaha! So true!!

Or maybe.....hot chicks really are trolls, but we are too busy and distracted checking them out to concentrate on what they are actually saying? Just a hypothesis....

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on April 09, 2014
at 01:53 PM

What I really hate about these trolls is when they use a picture of a hottie & get us all excited >:(

De1095b2ba29c1035f00428cbfe3cc7c

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on April 09, 2014
at 01:52 PM

Oh no of course broth is no substitute for a bit of meat, i hear that broth helps you get the most out of your meat which is good as I don't go too high on protein. There's nothing like drinking broth from a bowl, there's something so primal about it. I tend to have some broth w/fat, salt, and an egg yolk or two stirred in during the day most days, it's absolutely delicious! I'll pretty much always have some liver pate & some meat as well so i'm always getting my essentials.

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on April 09, 2014
at 01:37 PM

You mentioned "Soy", "Dairy" and "plant-based proteins" but not meat? No fish? WTF??

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on April 09, 2014
at 01:34 PM

+1 Right on.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on April 09, 2014
at 01:01 PM

Okay, well rather then analyzing everything maybe try to experiment with lots of new things. Maybe you find out that Phở is your new favorite dish and start including more dietary conditionally essential amino acids without even realizing it.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on April 09, 2014
at 12:59 PM

Well I don't want you to think that broth is better than meat persay. It's just that the things that make broth gel are the gelatinous/collagen rich pieces of the animal. The tendons connecting the bones for example, or the skin or feet. These protein sources are low in Essential Amino Acids (AA) though, so you can't live off them alone. But next time you make a nice hearty broth, go ahead and throw in the tendon connecting the bone to the muscle for a well rounded AA intake. The tendon and skin is rich in Glycine and other conditionally essential AAs which are hard to get elsewhere.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on April 09, 2014
at 12:46 PM

Lol, well I don't want to pretend I'm showing you the way but a traditional dish in places in Asia is called Phở. It's like bone broth basically with some muscle meat, few organ strips and some tendons. It's also served with noodles though, which I'm sure much of the paleo community will raise their noses in disgust to. Lol.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on April 09, 2014
at 12:27 PM

Do you actually eat nose to tail?

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on April 09, 2014
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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on April 09, 2014
at 10:23 AM

Um, where's the meat, eggs, fish, and organ meats?

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56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on April 09, 2014
at 02:33 PM

Interesting thread. Obviously those that say that they eat the whole animal are just adding a few organs to regular meat. The largest organ, the skin, is left out (too hairy in general). I wonder if

1) eating whole animals (insect larvae, fish fry, mollusks) does or does not significantly improve your amino acid spectrum

2) more important, if the glycine content of meat, according to nutritiondata.com, isn't calculated assuming serine conversion. In other words, that meat really does not contain glycine in significant amounts.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on April 11, 2014
at 12:03 PM

That being said, there seem too be Some gelatinous cuts in oxtail as well, and oxtail soup tastes great, so you don't have to necessarily eat such squeamish foods to get these AAs.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on April 10, 2014
at 02:53 PM

Lol, right! Collagen is literally the most abundant protein in humans [1]. And on a daily basis in 70kg individuals we synthesize / consume about 5-6 grams per day but need about 15 grams assuming 95% recycling [2]! But even in the paleo community we consume mainly meat, organs and bone broth. We aren't consuming the skin/tendons/connective tissue on average in significant quantities, which is the most abundant protein of not only the animals we eat but of our own bodies! Eating tendons/skin undoubtedly raises serum glycine and collagen production, cheers :-) .

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on April 11, 2014
at 12:04 PM

Follow you instincts and taste buds!

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on November 28, 2015
at 09:54 PM

I do try but I now need to watch methionine as I have been using collagen protein. As I posted earlier, I am MTHFR and concerned about homocysteine build up. The BCAAs are recommended in phase 1 detox I think so I supplement with an expensive brand. Will switch back to icky tasting bcaas later on. 

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on April 11, 2014
at 03:27 PM

I did to an extent but until recently that meant making sure I was getting enough of each one on cronometer.com. Always had the impression that meat was meat and while there were some benefits to gelatin in your diet, the "balance" wasn't important. Thank you so much for bringing this stuff to my attention! I'm going to start shooting for more collagen/gelatin and a little less muscle.

I already eat most meats this way without thinking much. For instance in my bone-in turkey soup I naturally favor the funky colorful bits, skin, and connective tissue over the plain stringy meat. Now I have even more reason to pursue the tasty parts!

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on April 11, 2014
at 12:30 PM

No. I try to eat a balance meal of meat, vegetables and fruit for dessert.The simplicity of this way of eating is part of the beauty of it.

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on April 10, 2014
at 03:13 PM

No. When I sit down at the table I leave 40 years of chemical engineering behind. It's bad enough to wonk macros. Parsing and perfecting them goes way beyond, out into the great wide open.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on April 10, 2014
at 03:23 PM

Well you're definitely entitled to your opinion, but saying that you don't seek out eating the most abundant amino acid in the most abundant protein in mammals because you don't want to spend all your time 'perfecting' your diet seems a little extreme though.

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on April 09, 2014
at 10:27 AM

Yes, I balance the amino acid content in my diet. Here's how: I eat meat.

Meat's aminos are already balanced. I don't have to worry about mixing one ounce of beef to 3 ounces of chicken or any silly thing like what a vegan would have to do with their rice and beans. Just eat meat.

Meat, fish (both fin and shell), eggs, liver and other organs - including marrow, and soups based on bone broth. Eat nose to tail. Doesn't matter what kind of meat as long as it's pastured or grassfed. Eggs, organic, or pastured. Liver from grassfed and pastured animals, and low-mercury wild caught fish.

Since I've got a pair of MTHFR snp's, I also limit the amount of egg whites and eat more yolks.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on April 09, 2014
at 12:27 PM

Do you actually eat nose to tail?

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on April 09, 2014
at 01:34 PM

+1 Right on.

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on April 09, 2014
at 10:12 AM

I don't go out of my way but I notice on days I have more broth my methionine is lower than on days I stick with muscle meats, makes sense, in the grok days you'd get a lot more share of broth out of an animal than you would meat i'd guess.

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on April 10, 2014
at 04:24 PM

Grok had no cooking pots hence no broth. Grok had marrow instead.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on April 09, 2014
at 12:59 PM

Well I don't want you to think that broth is better than meat persay. It's just that the things that make broth gel are the gelatinous/collagen rich pieces of the animal. The tendons connecting the bones for example, or the skin or feet. These protein sources are low in Essential Amino Acids (AA) though, so you can't live off them alone. But next time you make a nice hearty broth, go ahead and throw in the tendon connecting the bone to the muscle for a well rounded AA intake. The tendon and skin is rich in Glycine and other conditionally essential AAs which are hard to get elsewhere.

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on April 09, 2014
at 09:58 AM

Food diet with basic ingredients I guess is enough for balancing dietary amino acids.

  • Nuts and seeds
  • Soy
  • Eggs
  • Dairy

These are some of the best sources of protein. Most foods contain amino acid . It is not necessary to combine plant proteins in each individual meal, but be sure to get a good variety of plant-based proteins throughout the day for dietary amino acids.

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on April 09, 2014
at 01:53 PM

What I really hate about these trolls is when they use a picture of a hottie & get us all excited >:(

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on April 09, 2014
at 10:23 AM

Um, where's the meat, eggs, fish, and organ meats?

Be157308a0438e382b88d9db4c12ab30

on April 09, 2014
at 01:37 PM

You mentioned "Soy", "Dairy" and "plant-based proteins" but not meat? No fish? WTF??

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on April 09, 2014
at 04:47 AM

NO. I just eat a diet consisting of basic simple ingredients and hope for the best. Can't analyze everything as it would leave no time for life.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on April 09, 2014
at 01:01 PM

Okay, well rather then analyzing everything maybe try to experiment with lots of new things. Maybe you find out that Phở is your new favorite dish and start including more dietary conditionally essential amino acids without even realizing it.

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56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on April 09, 2014
at 03:16 AM

I do pay some attention to it, in that I cook every chicken carcass and drink all the broth, which is basically all my skin and tendon intake. But otherwise no. It is very difficult to eat those bits regularly. hopefully others will disagree and show me the way.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on April 09, 2014
at 12:46 PM

Lol, well I don't want to pretend I'm showing you the way but a traditional dish in places in Asia is called Phở. It's like bone broth basically with some muscle meat, few organ strips and some tendons. It's also served with noodles though, which I'm sure much of the paleo community will raise their noses in disgust to. Lol.

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