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Bone Broth - Bad Reaction/Allergic Response?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 02, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Hi All:

I started drinking home made bone broth about 6 weeks ago (made from grass fed/finished bones) and about 2 weeks ago started noticing that some of my old food allergy symptoms are really firing up. I was only drinking about 1/4 cup every morning so I think that's why it took a while for the allergies to start coming up. My hair loss has started again, my face is breaking out more in all the suspect places, and my joint pain has come back with a vengence.

I heard about some people reacting poorly to the free glutamates in bone broths, especially if they have a leaky gut which I do. Has anyone else reacted poorly to bone broth? If you stopped drinking it how long until you started feeling better? I stopped a week ago and my face is clearing but my joint pain is lingering.

The only other thing I started since then was eating beef tallow (homemade) in my meals and upping my my carb and protein intake with foods I was already eating (winter squashes, grassfed/finished beef/bison)

Here's one page that talks about the free glutamates in bone broth:

http://www.lovingourguts.com/the-difference-between-bone-broth-and-meat-broth-or-stock/

Thanks! Laura

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on May 09, 2014
at 11:29 PM

I don't think the sensible among us are trying to recreate the actual diet of paleolithic man - that is a metaphor, an image to allow us easy access to the IDEAS of eating simpler, nutritious, unprocessed food. Nitpicking what paleo man did or didn't eat or how that food was prepared really isn't very useful for our modern, day to day lives.

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on March 30, 2014
at 06:52 AM

Ugh - sorry, it's late - the GAPS intro diet is explained on gapsdiet.com You'll see that the meat broth is only boiled for 3-4 hours, not 12-24 like bone broths are.

Lots of articles on the webs explaining the difference between the two - best of luck! Start gently!

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on March 30, 2014
at 06:45 AM

Read GAPS intro on the WAPF website. There is also a page on making the broths (the intro meat broth and the classic bone broth) that explains the steps and the reasoning for it.

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on August 14, 2013
at 08:05 PM

Thanks ivy! I am currently letting my body recover from a histamine overload but hope to try meat broth again at some point.

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on July 16, 2013
at 03:14 PM

I think my joint pain, strange emotional responses, anxiety, and hair loss were due to histamine overload. The bone broth was just one contributor. The others were 2 avocados a day, poorly prepared and stored meats, eating leftovers a long time, etc. So hopefully once I get that under control these joint issues will be gone! My acne has been great since stopping the bone broth so that gives me great hope :) I'm just going to increase my juicing, squashes and beef fat a little.

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on July 16, 2013
at 03:12 PM

Hi elf27-My first batch of broth was a little jello like, the second was not at all. I think my first batch was more like the meat broth and my second was more bone broth. I've read GAPS and perfect health and tried to glean a lot of good info from them. I think I had/have some bacteria problems from the way I was cooking my meat (which I've now remedied) I hope that changing that and backing off the avocados for a bit will help to lessen my histamine reactions so i can get back to the bone broth and trying other foods!

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618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

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on August 13, 2013
at 01:02 AM

In GAPS, you aren't supposed to drink bone broth until after GAPS intro - during intro you drink meat broth (a shorter cooked broth made with more meat, and less simmering of bone), which has less glutamates than the ultra long-cooked bone broths have. There is a reason to start with something gentler; you need to acclimatize your body first, let it rest and settle, and then you can go about the hard business of healing. I had a similar allergic-type reaction because I dove right into the bone broth. I went back and made meat broth, drank that for 3 months, then went on to long-simmered bone broth without the bothers I had before. Good luck!

Dd1b220085ff251e08cad4f934ee683c

(75)

on August 14, 2013
at 08:05 PM

Thanks ivy! I am currently letting my body recover from a histamine overload but hope to try meat broth again at some point.

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on May 06, 2014
at 05:34 PM

Hello Laura.

The reason the allergies took awhile to reappear is probably because you are having an IgG response rather than IgA: IgG takes 48-72 hours to show versus true allergies which are immediate. The problem with IgG is over time the higher white blood cell count will thin the lining of your gut and yes, leaky gut is the result.

I have also read that 1.5 hours of cooktime for bones is enough while more than that releases free glutamates.

Another approach to ridding excess Glutamates is to balance and transform them via GABA. Don't just take GABA as that molecule's size ought not to pass the brain blood barrier. Take its precursors instead (Apex Energet's which has a version of this which I use). Also take some precursors to serotonin (L-thanine and 5htp); it's not in the local internet literature, but it's what I specialize in, and it's deep in the neuro literature.

On another note: one of the mis-interpretations about the paleolithic diet is whether vast amounts of animal meat/bone/fat is truly what was consumed... in fact, paleolithic man spent four to five hours a day foraging for dark leafy green edible leafs as his source of protein. Animal was occasional. Dark leafy greens are powerful and most bio-available when blended, or v lightly steamed, or macerated for cellulose breakdown and enzyme release. We just don't chew the way a cow does nor do we take the time to eat and chew the way paleo man did, so breaking it down first will make a big difference. Also, I have read paleo man may have soaked bones in water in the sun for extended periods to get bone broth soup, so perhaps cooking on a lower flame will diminish the free-glutamate response. We ARE a modern people in a hurry, and this changes a lot in chemistry.

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on May 09, 2014
at 11:29 PM

I don't think the sensible among us are trying to recreate the actual diet of paleolithic man - that is a metaphor, an image to allow us easy access to the IDEAS of eating simpler, nutritious, unprocessed food. Nitpicking what paleo man did or didn't eat or how that food was prepared really isn't very useful for our modern, day to day lives.

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on March 29, 2014
at 05:20 AM

@ivymcivy where does it say to stay away from beef bone broth to start...so much different conflicting information...obviously im glutamic intolerant as we all should be...its a poison. I am going on gaps/fodmaps...with my own twist of course. help!

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on March 30, 2014
at 06:45 AM

Read GAPS intro on the WAPF website. There is also a page on making the broths (the intro meat broth and the classic bone broth) that explains the steps and the reasoning for it.

618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on March 30, 2014
at 06:52 AM

Ugh - sorry, it's late - the GAPS intro diet is explained on gapsdiet.com You'll see that the meat broth is only boiled for 3-4 hours, not 12-24 like bone broths are.

Lots of articles on the webs explaining the difference between the two - best of luck! Start gently!

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on March 29, 2014
at 04:43 AM

where does it say in gaps diet that your suppose to stay away from bone broth and have the meat broth FIRST....

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on July 15, 2013
at 08:50 PM

Hi Laura - I answered your other question about your leaky gut. I would continue drinking beef broth, but 1/4 cup is a pretty small amount to cause such a big reaction.

Is your beef broth like jello by the way? That's what you need to be drinking to heal your gut. Have you read GAPS book? Have you read perfect health diet? I think those will explain to you what you need to be eating to improve your skin and gut.

Sometimes joint pain and acne can be caused by bacterial infections or a lack of good bacteria in the gut. Obviously I don't know your medical history but it may be helpful to get a metametrix stool test (gi effects) and have a practioner interpret it. The story of Amy Kubal on robbwolf.com shows someone for whom this was helpful, and somewhat similar to you - she really had trouble gaining weight until she saw a naturopath and got help with her gut issues.

http://robbwolf.com/2013/04/11/broken/

Dd1b220085ff251e08cad4f934ee683c

(75)

on July 16, 2013
at 03:14 PM

I think my joint pain, strange emotional responses, anxiety, and hair loss were due to histamine overload. The bone broth was just one contributor. The others were 2 avocados a day, poorly prepared and stored meats, eating leftovers a long time, etc. So hopefully once I get that under control these joint issues will be gone! My acne has been great since stopping the bone broth so that gives me great hope :) I'm just going to increase my juicing, squashes and beef fat a little.

Dd1b220085ff251e08cad4f934ee683c

(75)

on July 16, 2013
at 03:12 PM

Hi elf27-My first batch of broth was a little jello like, the second was not at all. I think my first batch was more like the meat broth and my second was more bone broth. I've read GAPS and perfect health and tried to glean a lot of good info from them. I think I had/have some bacteria problems from the way I was cooking my meat (which I've now remedied) I hope that changing that and backing off the avocados for a bit will help to lessen my histamine reactions so i can get back to the bone broth and trying other foods!

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