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what's your opinion in having a cheat day once a week?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 25, 2011 at 4:59 AM

Hi,

I've recently tried PaNu and I think I will like this form of diet. However, what are your thoughts on having one cheat day per week? I'm in Asia and most if not all, eat rice as a staple.

My cheat day would involve moderate amounts of alcohol and rice/wheat based food if I need to like attending a party or hanging out with friends. I will still stay away from other high sugar drinks and just consume moderate amounts of wheat/rice based meals.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on March 25, 2011
at 05:47 PM

I am planning to eat cake on my 40th birthday. ;) But I absolutely agree with your sentiment. When I find myself ~planning~ to eat bad, I start to look at what is going on in my life and I usually find a stressor that is making me want carbs.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on March 25, 2011
at 05:38 PM

A little white rice and red wine is not that bad for you. Maybe avoid if you need to lose weight/trying to lean out. Try to stay off the wheat. Wheat is mondo bad and PaNu will tell you why. (Or Cordain/Sisson/Peter at HyperLipid/Dr Davis/Stephen at WholeHealthSource... well, you get the idea. Peter says its toxic (causes endothelial damage) at nanomolar concentrations. Stick with the white rice - relatively non-toxic.)

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

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on March 25, 2011
at 04:29 PM

Absolutely. I do not feel at all deprived eating paleo, and one shouldn'y plan a "cheat" if I happen to be somewhere and ice-cream is on offer I'll go for it but I think focussing too much on a food item creates bad thinking patterns.

94577e0344bb1671288ccee96083baf2

(363)

on March 25, 2011
at 03:53 PM

Great answer Felix! you get my vote. I hate the phrase "Cheat Meal". when i "Cheat" who am i cheating?

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on March 25, 2011
at 03:49 PM

Rice may not from the Paleolithic era but it's not a cheat depending on goals. It's a nice, non-toxic food. I eat it a couple times week. The use of carbohydrates is goal specific so just govern rice consumption under that umbrella.

94577e0344bb1671288ccee96083baf2

(363)

on March 25, 2011
at 03:41 PM

The social situation you described can be difficult. IMO one of more challenging parts of this way of eating. Acting different then the majority of your friends takes some getting used too. If they question or nag you about your choices just remember its not about you. Its about them. But that's part of a whole different discussion.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on March 25, 2011
at 02:10 PM

Oranges, be careful about everything else in the Thai food. The oils/sauces used at restaurants can be really bad.

B61f6513a155cd874b42efdad55312f6

(231)

on March 25, 2011
at 01:41 PM

Yea, the chicken wings I'd eat have no breading, it's the oils and sauces you'd have to worry about. Generals chicken though...breading galore, still, it doesn't seem to bother my system.

61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

(2682)

on March 25, 2011
at 01:27 PM

I eat chicken wings once a week. They are "naked" (no breading) and the sauce is fairly clean: hot sauce and butter. The only downside is they are cooked in a not-so-healthy oil. But they are oh-so-delicious!

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on March 25, 2011
at 01:19 PM

Rice is "ok" then as long as not consumed on a regular basis? w00t - that means I can still do Thai Payday lunches with my co-workers :)

61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

(2682)

on March 25, 2011
at 01:15 PM

I agree: it's about knowing the truth about foods (or anything) and being able to make an educated decision, no matter what that decision might be.

7e1064164e012a1ead098098245b1cd4

(1217)

on March 25, 2011
at 11:25 AM

Funny but also completely true. We shouldn't be looking for justification to 'cheat' - it's an unhealthy way to look at food.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

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on March 25, 2011
at 11:03 AM

This made me LOL - thank you

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on March 25, 2011
at 10:53 AM

I'm ok with it but irony parTicipatE in it's practIce

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21e8ad2e1dcdb3a7c439b261f7efd9f0

on March 25, 2011
at 06:33 AM

This cheat meal... Who are you cheating with it? See? So what you really want here is that someone tells you... Sure, go ahead, i do the same? So, you're weakness will be perfectly justified by someone else weakness...

My point is you are not cheating anyone but yourself, on purpose. How smart is that?

Tell you want.... Tonight i'm gonna steal my car... I'll play a prank on myself, so tomorrow, when i'm gonna walk in the lot, i wont see it and will freak out. Ooooo this will be so much fun....

7e1064164e012a1ead098098245b1cd4

(1217)

on March 25, 2011
at 11:25 AM

Funny but also completely true. We shouldn't be looking for justification to 'cheat' - it's an unhealthy way to look at food.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on March 25, 2011
at 11:03 AM

This made me LOL - thank you

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3eb3f79868b24b3df4450ea2d4f9a5d5

(2387)

on March 25, 2011
at 10:37 AM

I don't think it makes a lot of sense to do it "once a week". If you feel the need to follow one specific protocol someone else has set up -no matter if it is called PaNu oder Paleo or EatWhatMakesYouHappy- then DO it. If you want to eat somehting else then do that.

Personally I don't know why anybody else should have the right to call me a cheater based upon what I decide to eat.

And I think that's what this community is about: Getting and sharing information and drawing YOUR OWN conclusions based upon what you know (or think you know). It does not matter what I think about your cheat day. If you want to eat that rice-laden oh-so-delicious Tekka Nigiri then go for it! You know what it does to you, to your taste buds, your well-being, your eyes, your nose and your gut.

You have the privilege, the right and the obligation to decide for yourself.

61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

(2682)

on March 25, 2011
at 01:15 PM

I agree: it's about knowing the truth about foods (or anything) and being able to make an educated decision, no matter what that decision might be.

94577e0344bb1671288ccee96083baf2

(363)

on March 25, 2011
at 03:53 PM

Great answer Felix! you get my vote. I hate the phrase "Cheat Meal". when i "Cheat" who am i cheating?

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531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

on March 25, 2011
at 02:00 PM

The phrasing of this question suggests that one might "plan" to cheat. I can't get my head wrapped around this. If one's diet is hard to stick to, laborious, or otherwise unsatisfying, then one needs to change the diet. Planned cheating is like planned adultery. It just seems worse than accidental adultery.

Shouldn't a balanced diet leave one satisfied? If it doesn't, this is almost a working definition of "fad diet."

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on March 25, 2011
at 04:29 PM

Absolutely. I do not feel at all deprived eating paleo, and one shouldn'y plan a "cheat" if I happen to be somewhere and ice-cream is on offer I'll go for it but I think focussing too much on a food item creates bad thinking patterns.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on March 25, 2011
at 05:47 PM

I am planning to eat cake on my 40th birthday. ;) But I absolutely agree with your sentiment. When I find myself ~planning~ to eat bad, I start to look at what is going on in my life and I usually find a stressor that is making me want carbs.

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9d741bcbe702044635f2ce3078043054

(1435)

on March 25, 2011
at 09:47 AM

It depends on the cheat. Rice, no issues. Cheating that often with wheat makes gluten elimination irrelevant. My understanding is that gluten can affect the system for about 2 weeks after consumption. So cheating that often means your body is constantly challenged by gluten. The amounts will be much smaller than in a normal diet, but your body never really gets to heal in a gluten-free manner.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on March 25, 2011
at 02:10 PM

Oranges, be careful about everything else in the Thai food. The oils/sauces used at restaurants can be really bad.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on March 25, 2011
at 01:19 PM

Rice is "ok" then as long as not consumed on a regular basis? w00t - that means I can still do Thai Payday lunches with my co-workers :)

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on March 25, 2011
at 07:47 AM

Cheat Day ? No way I'd do it ...and I live in Australia where most , if not all eat CRAP as a staple ..and I aint gonna eat that crap as well .....you will only cheat yourself !

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2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on March 25, 2011
at 04:32 PM

I don't think you should plan a "cheat" at all. If you happen to be somewhere like a social gathering and there is something there that is not paleo then go for it, in my opinion you should stay away from gluten however. I think focussing to much on a "cheat" creates unhealthy thought patterns towards food, I mean it's not as if we're deprived of gorgeous foods eating paleo, we're just not bombarding our systems with toxic foods everyday. Paleo foods are amazing and tasty.

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on March 25, 2011
at 12:20 PM

Personally, I don't consider eating Neolithic foods 'cheating'. I basically follow Panu.

I'm pretty sensitive to what I eat especially my digestion, but don't get health consequences when I consume small/moderate amounts of many 'off plan' foods, and I highly doubt I'm unhealthier from eating them. I can't have small amounts of wheat and feel fine, so I don't. White rice, I eat all the time - it's totally harmless starch for me. If I eat too much total starch, I'm not going to feel well cause my blood sugar will crash, so I don't.

Now, a 'cheat day' involving binging on everything you usually don't have - I'm sure you'd feel like crap, and it would be very bad for you. But a few beers and a bite to eat here and there are probably not going to hurt you at all. If I were you of course I'd eat rice products but avoid wheat more stringently, even if you don't get symptoms from consuming it. A lot of the most prominent Paleo/health bloggers would agree - wheat is the worst grain even if you don't have celiac or gluten sensitivity.

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B0454de6d4f4cdd9ca2e59021dc105bf

on June 21, 2011
at 04:25 AM

I've never liked the word 'cheat'. In the real world there are times when you may have to eat foods that you wouldn't normally have. Rather than have a "cheat day", factor in no more than 3 or 4 meals/snacks a week, perhaps mostly at the weekend, which are...what's a good phrase, naughty but nice.

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E642ba5f9c8f9a7eecb107628cde7eb0

on March 25, 2011
at 04:25 PM

It depends. I generally follow a low-carb paleo/primal diet (basically just meats, vegetables, and good fats) 6 days a weeks and 1 day a week I go all out with the higher carb stuff - as much fruit, potatoes as I want plus some dairy and honey - all of which I would not really consider strictly paleo/primal. Weirdly this has helped me lose weight. I would not really consider eating grains at any point since I think they can mess with you for longer than the course of 1 day. However, if you aren't sensitive to grains, I think rice would not be too much of a problem as it is a pretty inoffensive grain relative to say, wheat.

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94577e0344bb1671288ccee96083baf2

on March 25, 2011
at 03:55 PM

It depends on the individual. Over the last year and a half i was around 80/20. This didn't work out so well. My "cheats" would be going completely off the paleo wagon! More like cheat weekends. I personally don't like the word "Cheat" meal. I wasn't cheating anyone or myself when i would eat a giant shrimp burrito washed down with a few delicious beers. I wasn't trying to fool myself. I wasn't trying to "get around the system" I was enjoying the moment well aware of my behavior and its impact on my health. HOWEVER... I have an addictive, impulsive, ADHD personality which can lead me to some destructive behavior. I am currently doing my own 60 day challenge. 2 weeks in and i feel great! I don't want to "cheat" and hopefully things will stay that way. So its something you will have to figure out for yourself. Good luck.

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94577e0344bb1671288ccee96083baf2

on March 25, 2011
at 03:32 PM

It depends on the individual. Over the last year and a half i was around 80/20. This didn't work out so well. My "cheats" would be going completely off the paleo wagon! More like cheat weekends. I personally don't like the word "Cheat" meal. I wasn't cheating anyone or myself when i would eat a giant shrimp burrito washed down with a few delicious beers. I wasn't trying to fool myself. I wasn't trying to "get around the system" I was enjoying the moment well aware of my behavior and its impact on my health. HOWEVER... I have an addictive, impulsive, ADHD personality which can lead me to some destructive behavior. I am currently doing my own 60 day challenge. 2 weeks in and i feel great! I don't want to "cheat" and hopefully things will stay that way. So its something you will have to figure out for yourself. Good luck.

94577e0344bb1671288ccee96083baf2

(363)

on March 25, 2011
at 03:41 PM

The social situation you described can be difficult. IMO one of more challenging parts of this way of eating. Acting different then the majority of your friends takes some getting used too. If they question or nag you about your choices just remember its not about you. Its about them. But that's part of a whole different discussion.

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on March 25, 2011
at 02:59 PM

I think having a cheat day per week will do 4.35 times as much damage as having a cheat day per month. If you want to make it better, drop all wheat products and stick to rice if you think you need empty carbs.

I save slack days for emergencies and when I am out on the road, needing to make do.

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B7fec4bf394de8dfa6403067aea94e1b

on March 25, 2011
at 02:01 PM

I live in Asia right now. What country are you in?

I am in South Korea and I am able to find foods that are generally paleo-friendly while eating out or at least do not contain high amounts of rice or wheat. While I am not always able to avoid certain types of food, I have no adverse reactions to eating things like kimchi or soups while avoiding noodles. When you say cheating, are you talking about dishes with some things like refined sugar, or a dish where the main ingredient is rice, or like one or two little rice cakes? Usually, I find I am able to go out to dinner and leave the rice on the side or eat around the noodles without anyone questioning.

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61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

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on March 25, 2011
at 01:25 PM

I agree with some earlier comments that a "cheat day" might be setting yourself up for disaster. If you schedule a cheat, even when you don't want it you might eat it anyway b/c it's your cheat day. You might consider having a healthy meal before you go to the party so you are less tempted to eat the wheat-based food.

I allow myself a piece of dark chocolate or a few spoonfuls of ice cream after dinner, but I don't consider this cheating because I don't think there is anything wrong with dark chocolate or ice cream (the right type of ice cream) as long as only a small amount is consumed at one time. Things like this are best eaten after a satisfying and healthy meal, which usually eliminates my desire for something sweet anyway.

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B61f6513a155cd874b42efdad55312f6

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on March 25, 2011
at 01:09 PM

my cheat day is usually chicken wings and sweet potato fries, or Chinese/Japanese food. So, I'll consume some Generals chicken, or some kind of stir fried chicken. I haven't had pizza/pasta or anything of that sort in months. The breading on the chicken and the sauces are the cheat for me, and if I do cheat, it's 1 meal, once a week/every other week, and I don't typically feel like crap because of it.

61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

(2682)

on March 25, 2011
at 01:27 PM

I eat chicken wings once a week. They are "naked" (no breading) and the sauce is fairly clean: hot sauce and butter. The only downside is they are cooked in a not-so-healthy oil. But they are oh-so-delicious!

B61f6513a155cd874b42efdad55312f6

(231)

on March 25, 2011
at 01:41 PM

Yea, the chicken wings I'd eat have no breading, it's the oils and sauces you'd have to worry about. Generals chicken though...breading galore, still, it doesn't seem to bother my system.

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1ec4e7ca085b7f8d5821529653e1e35a

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on March 25, 2011
at 11:53 AM

I do not think that you should plan out your "cheat" meals. Things like that should happen organically or you can become dependant on them. If every saturday night you eat a pizza but the rest of the week you don't, you might spend your whole week dreaming about saturday night.

"Cheating" is fine but creates setbacks in your health. If you are okay with the setbacks or negative consequences (sugar crashes/gi issues) of cheating then don't worry about it.

Life is meant to be lived. Paleo is there to help us live better, but if it gets in the way it's up to you to decide. Use the research and make educated decisions.

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03d5a967b935e1e8ef202f313467878f

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on March 25, 2011
at 11:51 AM

Cheat days really messed me up. I tried one month of strict paleo 6 days a week with one cheat day and it was a miserable failure. That was 2 months ago and I am still trying to get over the MENTAL damage it did, mostly through the re-introduction of sugar into my diet. We all have different personalities, so think about yours and how you best handle things like what you plan to cheat with. I do better if I stay away from it as much as possible, so going to a cheat day really wasn't the right thing for me. It's better if I save sugar for my birthday or Christmas or something.I never, ever cheat with gluten-containing items. For ME, it's easy enough to not eat those things but that is partly because I love sugar WAY more than bread. Long story short, think long and hard about your food personality. And then monitor yourself very closely if you attempt a cheat day.

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A46cdc2330c74fff9873baa120362d22

on March 25, 2011
at 07:21 AM

If you need to 'cheat', go for it! Cheating one day a week of means you're Paleo approx 85% of the time which is great. Cheat with caution however; monitor your body's responses to the food and drink you consume on your cheat day and it's advisable to lower the glycemic load of foods like white rice by consuming them with fresh veg. Ultimately, life's for living and your diet has to work for you personally. Enjoy it!

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8544465753d56e89bd1bb2c92e9cea7a

on March 25, 2011
at 05:51 AM

Well I cheat 1 or 2 meals a week. So far they are not hindering my progress but if they do I'll eliminate them.

Since going paleo, there are some items that I can't tolerate now. E.g. I was addicted to coca cola but now it gives ke headaches and I don't crave for it anymore.

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