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Doctor suggested diet vs paleo self medication?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 09, 2013 at 7:44 AM

Hey,

Got some questions :0

I have a 'histamine' intolerance recently diagnosed. After just avoiding high histamine foods and trigger foods, I experienced no relief and continued on searching for the problem. Come to find out I had a clostridium infection and weakened liver.

I am currently taking medication for these things (homeopathic). The deal is that my intestinal lining is really upset as of now and my bacterias are way off balance (treating that as well).

Initially the consensus was to eat lots of animal products, avoid yeast, breads, grains, certain fruit, nuts, cheese, dairy etc for the histamine intolerance.

Now because the histamine was being caused by the bacterial infection, the suggestion is 3 months of overcooked vegetables and potatoes, oatmeals, avoiding animal products and refined sugar.

I had experimented with paleo in the past and I know that it works for me as far as bringing down the reactions I have to grains (joint pains, etc. ) and I feel pretty good on an extreme vegetable diet with meat/eggs added in. It also became a non option to binge eat on my trigger foods. Potatoes cause triggers, oats, cereals, grains, alcohol, coffee, ad infinitum.

Question is this, what am I supposed to do when the doctors tell me to not eat protein from animal sources and I literally cannot handle grains and starches in my digestive system or my brain?

I gave up alcohol 2+ months ago and I cannot control myself around sweets/grains/coffee of any sort. I have full out binge episodes on them that are frightening. I have gained 15 lbs bingeing on cereal/oats things of that nature over the last 3 months. !!!!! I also feel a very strong mental 'depression' I believe is totally physiological. It's like brain fog and I can't recover after exercise well and my anxiety is through the roof.

What should I do? I feel as though I hate to go against Dr suggestions but I really do horrible with no animal protein. I personally feel as though lean meat 10-20% and vegetables/vegetable juices I can handle as the other 89-90% is the best.

Is there really going to be a problem if I consume meat and go to a paleo lifestyle? Any suggestions here?

Thanks a LOT. I am also seeing that I have major vitamin deficiencies that doctors have no interest in treating. I believe my b vitamins and my vitamin C are totally out of whack and will be being treated with b12 injections. Anyone here have experience with high volume vitamine therapy for recovering addicts with residual compulsivity directed to food?

Thanks a lot.

Danielle

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on April 11, 2013
at 04:31 PM

What exactly is wrong with your liver that makes them call it "weakened"? Are the liver enzymes high? Other data? Have you had repeated tests? I know my liver enzymes skyrocketed after an infection (my doc actually thought I was doing street drugs!), but a few months later they were back down to normal.

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on April 11, 2013
at 06:08 AM

Hey RK, that sounds a LOT better than the list I got. I did it again with the oats/cereal last night. It's just horrible! I cannot understand what is happening here LOL! Any idea how to get the liver down? Can liver powder be consumed instead? The suggestions between doctors are so random and it's all so against what I have learned after doing research that it seems I need to fire them all. !!!!! AHAHHAHAHHA.

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on April 11, 2013
at 06:04 AM

I am taking penicillin for the bacterial infection and probiotics. I think the consensus is to eat things extremely easy to digest. Trying (they say) to not stress or inflame the colon. However, grains seriously cause inflammation. You are right. There's a major problem here and that is that I live in a foreign country and I am trying to navigate all of this barely speaking the language. LOL! It's like a sick joke most of the time. AHAHAHAHHAAH

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on April 11, 2013
at 06:02 AM

Thanks Dragonfly. I did not know that about the Magnesium. I've had all the bloodwork done which suggests that I am not truly what the general doctor community would say is deficient in anything however, I hardly believe anything they say anymore.

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on April 09, 2013
at 02:50 PM

And most docs take one nutrition class in their whole medical career, so I wouldn't rely on them for ANY nutritional advice, personally.

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on April 09, 2013
at 12:22 PM

I have never heard of a regimen of overcooked vegetables and potatoes, oatmeals, avoiding animal products and refined sugar as a way of combating bacterial infection. Nobody likes taking antibiotics, but if I had to choose between a course of antibiotics and this diet, I'd take the antibiotics, and then take steps to recover from them afterwards (i.e. eat probiotic foods for a couple of weeks).

If some of these foods (potatoes and oatmeal) are trigger foods for you then you should probably avoid them. If the Paleo diet works for you and you feel better with it, then I'd stick with that. It should be possible to treat a bacterial infection while you're on a Paleo diet, in fact such a diet should improve your immune system and general health and help you fight it.

If you feel that you're going against doctor's orders, explain to them that these are trigger foods for you and you need to avoid them.

It sounds like the Paleo diet works for you not only in terms of being satisfying, but also allows you to avoid trigger foods, and over time should help to heal your gut and metabolism and put you on an overall better path. Shouldn't be hard to convince the doctors of that.

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on April 11, 2013
at 06:04 AM

I am taking penicillin for the bacterial infection and probiotics. I think the consensus is to eat things extremely easy to digest. Trying (they say) to not stress or inflame the colon. However, grains seriously cause inflammation. You are right. There's a major problem here and that is that I live in a foreign country and I am trying to navigate all of this barely speaking the language. LOL! It's like a sick joke most of the time. AHAHAHAHHAAH

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on April 09, 2013
at 09:18 AM

I personally feel as though lean meat 10-20% and vegetables/vegetable juices I can handle as the other 89-90% is the best.

No need to eat lean meat. You need the fat, too! You do need protein to help your liver recover. Eat the best meat you can afford, ideally 100% grass fed, antiobiotic-free, etc.

Also, eat organ meats weekly, especially liver to help rebuild your micronutrients.

To boost your immune system and lift your depression (and help heal your gut!) get your D3 level tested & sun/supplement to 50-60 ng/ml. More info at www.vitamindcouncil.org

Make sure to dial in A, K2 and Magnesium, which are cofactors for D3. The liver will help with A and K2. Grassfed butter and hard cheese like Gouda is good for K2.

Magnesium supplementation will help with carb/sugar cravings. Try 400-600 mg of Magnesium Glycinate before bed.

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on April 11, 2013
at 06:02 AM

Thanks Dragonfly. I did not know that about the Magnesium. I've had all the bloodwork done which suggests that I am not truly what the general doctor community would say is deficient in anything however, I hardly believe anything they say anymore.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on April 09, 2013
at 02:50 PM

And most docs take one nutrition class in their whole medical career, so I wouldn't rely on them for ANY nutritional advice, personally.

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on April 09, 2013
at 12:49 PM

Danielle - I had a doc put me on an elimination diet (in spite of my protestations) but I wanted to give it a chance since I was paying for his advice. It made me sicker than ever and I ended up in surgery (for gallbladder). Sometimes even the best docs don't put all the pieces together right. (My mom says this is why it's called "practicing" medicine!).

Here is a protocol that has really helped me heal. It is for SIBO, but I think it is useful for a variety of digestive issues. You would have to see if it's tweak-able for the histamine culprits.

http://www.eat-real-food-paleodietitian.com/support-files/SIBO-gut-healing-protocol.pdf

With your doc, I think you could maybe ask if you could keep bone broths with small amounts of gently cooked meat as a compromise. "Small amounts" could be at your discretion.

If you choose to proceed with the oatmeal, you might try the soaking it (like here: http://thenourishinghome.com/2012/04/soaked-oatmeal-wgluten-free-option/). You would minimize some of the damage in the grain, and it puts a natural limit on overeating.

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on April 11, 2013
at 06:08 AM

Hey RK, that sounds a LOT better than the list I got. I did it again with the oats/cereal last night. It's just horrible! I cannot understand what is happening here LOL! Any idea how to get the liver down? Can liver powder be consumed instead? The suggestions between doctors are so random and it's all so against what I have learned after doing research that it seems I need to fire them all. !!!!! AHAHHAHAHHA.

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

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on April 11, 2013
at 04:31 PM

What exactly is wrong with your liver that makes them call it "weakened"? Are the liver enzymes high? Other data? Have you had repeated tests? I know my liver enzymes skyrocketed after an infection (my doc actually thought I was doing street drugs!), but a few months later they were back down to normal.

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