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alcohol vs raw kefir vs veggies vs starch: what to first reintroduce after ZC

Answered on June 27, 2013
Created March 19, 2013 at 5:36 AM

I've been ZC for over a month now in an attempt to improve my AI-leaky gut problems. I eat 80/20 fat protein of tallow and beef/lamb and probably 2000-2500 cals a day. I've never felt better and don't really flare up badly anymore. However, I seem to be stuck in a state of chronic low level inflammation, and haven't seen myself go into the healing stage in terms of skin and overall well being. I'm hoping to introduce more foods into my diet now that I've regained control of my flareups.

When my symptoms were bad a month ago I was displaying histamine and salicylate intolerance. FODMAP intolerance too. My naturopath thinks I might have SIBO but I'm not really keen on getting tested with out of insurance rates. So what should I reintroduce first in terms of carbs?

  1. Alcohol - ok I know. But next week is spring break and although I have no doubt that I can be in Cabo totally sober and will not be tempted, I'm not sure if that's what I'd want my last college spring break experience to be. Hard alcohol (tequila) has negligible amounts of carbs, maybe it would be an ok thing to intro back into my diet? I've been clean off all substances since December.

  2. Raw kefir - specifically raw goats milk homemade kefir. I'm taking probiotics now and it really helped regulate my BMs. In the past I think I was lactose/casein intolerant and would flare from dairy. I've never had raw dairy before.

  3. veggies - leafy greens? before going ZC I would get stopped up like crazy from well cooked leafy greens...kind of wary of this

  4. starch - sweet potatoes? rice? potatoes? (nightshades flare me up)

I really like eating the way I am right now but sometimes I feel like I have to force feed myself because I'm not really hungry ever. This is because of a past history of eating disorders. I think I just need more food in general though because I look alot healthier after increasing caloric intake and I want an actual period instead of lame spotting. Maybe the carbs will trigger some type of more intense hunger cravings and overall health?

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on April 17, 2013
at 08:54 AM

I'm not sure how you can be 15% bf at 130 or 135" and 5'7" - these numbers really don't add up unless you have bones made of lead! If you're 135 then that doesn't sound particularly unhealthy so you can disregard a lot of what I said Hypothalamic = low thyroid as your body is trying to conserve energy. It also stops you having periods. A lot of women experience this on VLC even if their calorie intake is actually fine, so adding carbs should help you. 50-100g is a good intake :)

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on April 16, 2013
at 08:40 PM

I've gained 5 pounds so now at 135. I think alot of the gain is going straight to my stomach though... what do you mean by hypothalamic? I am adding 50-100 grams of carbs starting now and seeing what happens. It's been a few days, but I still feel a little sick after eating though, and don't have much of an appetite. I have to force feed myself to make 2000 cals. Any suggestions?

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on March 20, 2013
at 05:01 AM

I dont exercise except walk around campus. I do lift heavy 2x a week though. My sleep is not very good so I guess I'll need to focus on that for now. Thanks!

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on March 20, 2013
at 04:46 AM

You're running a pretty lean operation. You're young & active, obviously to burn those levels of calories... maybe you're too active? Consider taking it easy for a while? Get some rest so your body can heal? Check your numbers on that calculator. BMI is not a great metric (imo). Body fat % and waist to height ratio are more illuminating since they give insight to body composition & shape. Your body fat % is tending towards the low end, http://www.livestrong.com/article/385269-at-what-body-fat-percent-do-you-start-losing-your-period/.

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on March 19, 2013
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20 female 5'7 130 pounds -> BMI around 20, body fat 15%. and I do get lightly hungry every 4-5 hours but only lightly hungry if that makes sense. if I don't eat it goes away. I haven't gained weight at all since pretty much doubling my calories for a month. Does that mean anything

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on June 27, 2013
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If you do decide to drink alcohol, you ought to keep a little carb snack on hand. Two ounces of tequila will drop my blood sugar twenty points. Alcohol, among other things, temporarily stops your liver from putting glucose out in the bloodstream.

A little fruit or something ought to counteract this, but on the other hand, too much sugar + alcohol = bad dizzy drunkness with a side order of puking. I found that out in the bad old days when I consumed a lot of whisky one night. I was doing fine until my neighbor gave me a coke. Then the world decided to go all rollercoaster on me.

Fruits and tubers will also help you with the not-hungriness. I went through a similar thing, and it took a while for it to dawn on me the reason I felt I had a thyroid problem was that I wasn't eating enough food. You can manage to cram down enough fat to replace these calories, but it requires more discipline because the hunger just isn't there.

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on April 16, 2013
at 03:06 PM

EAT CARBS, and eat them now!. Also, EAT MORE FOOD! (although frankly I find it rather amazing that you can remain so thin on 2000-2500 day when you're clearly hypothalamic)

You're not having periods because at 15% body fat, you are TOO THIN. Also, VLC and ZC give loads of women menstrual cycle problems, even when they're eating a normal amount of calories

Your late teens and early 20s is really not a good time to not be having periods. You are laying down a lot of bone density in this time, and by not having periods you are massively increasing your risk of developing osteoporosis at an early age. For the majority of women, anything below 19% bf isn't healthy.

So add carbs, and more food. I would avoid or limit alcohol simply because a) it's not good for the gut and b) on low carb your tolerance is massively reduced. Two and a half years paleo and I get a hangover after 3 drinks!

Good luck!

68655ec9711d207d69a63ebf96b37573

on April 17, 2013
at 08:54 AM

I'm not sure how you can be 15% bf at 130 or 135" and 5'7" - these numbers really don't add up unless you have bones made of lead! If you're 135 then that doesn't sound particularly unhealthy so you can disregard a lot of what I said Hypothalamic = low thyroid as your body is trying to conserve energy. It also stops you having periods. A lot of women experience this on VLC even if their calorie intake is actually fine, so adding carbs should help you. 50-100g is a good intake :)

520cb551296ccc3f36ced59ddf9ee96b

(154)

on April 16, 2013
at 08:40 PM

I've gained 5 pounds so now at 135. I think alot of the gain is going straight to my stomach though... what do you mean by hypothalamic? I am adding 50-100 grams of carbs starting now and seeing what happens. It's been a few days, but I still feel a little sick after eating though, and don't have much of an appetite. I have to force feed myself to make 2000 cals. Any suggestions?

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on March 19, 2013
at 11:22 AM

I'd say go for the veggies. If cooked leafy greens stop you up, how about some other vegetable? Brussels sprouts give me issues, but zucchini goes down more smoothly. Also, have you looked into the FODMAPS diet? Google knows more about it than I ever could, but the general idea is cut out starches that tend to cause problems and eat the ones that don't.

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on March 19, 2013
at 07:50 AM

How about some stats?
Height, weight, waist (at the natural lateral bend point)

check your numbers here

http://home.fuse.net/clymer/bmi/#bmr

Calorie level seems kinda high unless you're really active.

I'm not a huge fan of ZC. Bummer about the effects of leafy veggies...they;re really good for you. Same effects from cabbage, broc, cauliflower? Asparagus? Tried cooking them in olive oil? Fermented cabbage?

No potatoes, no rice.

OK on the sweet potatoes or yams, try avocado, will help with BM.

Alcohol messes with metabolism of other foods.

http://graemethomasonline.com/beach-body-or-beer-belly-alcohol-and-your-physique/

http://www.efficientdrinker.com/beer/

Good luck, have fun next week.

520cb551296ccc3f36ced59ddf9ee96b

(154)

on March 19, 2013
at 07:57 AM

20 female 5'7 130 pounds -> BMI around 20, body fat 15%. and I do get lightly hungry every 4-5 hours but only lightly hungry if that makes sense. if I don't eat it goes away. I haven't gained weight at all since pretty much doubling my calories for a month. Does that mean anything

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

(720)

on March 20, 2013
at 04:46 AM

You're running a pretty lean operation. You're young & active, obviously to burn those levels of calories... maybe you're too active? Consider taking it easy for a while? Get some rest so your body can heal? Check your numbers on that calculator. BMI is not a great metric (imo). Body fat % and waist to height ratio are more illuminating since they give insight to body composition & shape. Your body fat % is tending towards the low end, http://www.livestrong.com/article/385269-at-what-body-fat-percent-do-you-start-losing-your-period/.

520cb551296ccc3f36ced59ddf9ee96b

(154)

on March 20, 2013
at 05:01 AM

I dont exercise except walk around campus. I do lift heavy 2x a week though. My sleep is not very good so I guess I'll need to focus on that for now. Thanks!

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on March 19, 2013
at 07:48 AM

Yes, the carbs should help increase appetite though they will probably be very satiating at first. Go with whichever carb you feel comfortable with, perhaps even fruit.

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