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i have adrenal fatigue, need some help

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created September 08, 2012 at 1:29 PM

just set it a salvia test with my naturopath to confirm this, have all the symptoms to back it up. robb wolf wrote an intresting piece on this topic, but i still dont get it.

searching the web for information is so frustrating, all the advice is pretty ambigious, do the adrenals require SPECIFIC nutrients/supplements to function and repair themselves? it seems like everywhere i look they just say to take vitamin c and or licorice root

has anyone on here been through this issue and if so what have you done to improve your situation. thank you

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

The problem is that your trying to apply the reductionist/allopathic model to a very holistic sort of problem. Does liver damage occur due to a lack of milk thistle in the diet? No. Will milk thistle help that organ get better if you first do not remove whatever toxic actions caused it to become diseased in the first place? No. So, your own answer to treating adrenal fatigue is going to be mulifocal as well. Your going to have to both remove the stressors AND support healing. One without the other will get you nowhere fast.

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on March 01, 2013
at 10:18 PM

also chamomile tea, especially republic of tea get relaxed tea (expensive but very effective!) makes a huge difference for me.

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on October 14, 2012
at 02:38 AM

Unless you want your body dealing with eliminating cyanide. Read the latest Consumer Reports article on U.S. rice.

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on September 13, 2012
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Yes, they can, you may need extra vitamins (C for example) and minerals (sea salt), and adding in some DHEA can help take the pressure off, though probably it'll just use it to make more cortisol if the signals are still not right, but the best thing is to remove the stressors and give it time.

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on September 12, 2012
at 11:56 PM

raydawg, when you said the adrenals "can heal" does that mean they have the ability to heal themselves?

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on September 12, 2012
at 11:34 AM

Great that you mentioned GABA, it's really one of the best things if someone is stressed, all in all amino acid therapy is great for so many disorders.

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on September 11, 2012
at 08:44 PM

GREAT analogy with the car, raydawg. So true.

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on September 11, 2012
at 04:59 PM

White Rice is where its at

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on September 09, 2012
at 02:01 AM

You can't pop any ONE herb or vitamin and expect it to produce health on its own.

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on September 08, 2012
at 09:22 PM

and by "upping carbs", I mean eating more starchy vegetables and a little bit of fruit.

Af939911afa817f79a4625d4f503c735

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at 09:22 PM

Low-carb eating *can* be a stressor, especially if you're very active. Like so many things, it's going to be a matter of figuring out what works for you, regardless of what anyone else says.

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at 05:28 PM

thank you, why have you upped carb intake? i read so much about going low carb??

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at 05:24 PM

Sorry to hear about your accident, Jake. I'm glad to hear that you're seeing a naturopath. For me, I had to up my carb intake, be sure to get 8+ hours of sleep every night, take it easy on my workouts, set aside time for relaxation/meditation every day, and I took some magnesium (Natural Calm) on most nights. Oh, and I cut back on my caffeine intake. Try writing to Diane S. of Balanced Bites. She's very knowledgeable on the subject.

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Hah, and then one more message :) I felt at the time very overwhelmed with all the things people were trying to push, take this, take that, you need this and that to heal etc, adrenal fatigue is a big business these days, I would be wary, and always listen to yourself first and foremost.

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at 04:03 PM

So, it wasn't very complicated once I decided to look at what works for me, and I also felt that the book zebras don't get ulcers gave me good ideas.

153c4e4a22734ded15bf4eb35b448e85

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on September 08, 2012
at 04:02 PM

Basically what I did myself was that I tried different things, for example meat makes me stressed (increased catecholamine output), spices make me stressed etc. -> I avoided them, fruit makes me very, very relaxed -> lots of fruit for me etc. I knew that I had to take care that my parasympathetic nervoussystem took control -> a spike mat, acupuncture, and meditation, deep breathing. So, that was my treatment :) You might be different, maybe you feel better when eating meat, maybe sugar feels stressing for you? Maybe you relax best watching comedies for example,and meditation feels not so good?

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on September 08, 2012
at 03:59 PM

Not saying that at all... but in my case, that is what seems to help. For me it isn't overly complicated. I had to make conscious decisions to lessen stressors in my life and support healing with proper diet and supplementation... My course of action may not be best for you - just explaining what has been best for me! If that helps, great. If not, keep searching. Good luck!

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on September 08, 2012
at 03:44 PM

im just so over this fatigue, it is so frustrating. i get discouraged when i hear "just rest, workout less and have a good attitude" type answers, im expecting that this treatment would be overly complicated, unless im wrong, and what your saying is that lifestyle modifications and vitamin b5 is the answer to healing?

153c4e4a22734ded15bf4eb35b448e85

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on September 08, 2012
at 03:43 PM

Wanted to add that maybe take a look at ray peats articles, also danny roddys site, I really think it works for a lot of people with this problem. But in general it's imperative that you do stuff that heals you, and works for you, not something someone else says has worked for them, and maybe just makes you feel worse.

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on September 08, 2012
at 03:42 PM

so can you tell me your treatment plan in a nutshell?

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at 03:29 PM

Of course, and fast too, if you can find a balance that works for you. I got better in two weeks, and have remained well.

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on September 08, 2012
at 02:27 PM

so the adrenals can heal themselves?

5f6d15c9dd935b6fed3623caf984c14e

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at 02:24 PM

hi crystal, i got in a horrible car accident 4 years ago, 1 year ago i started having horrible upper cervical problems, finally got upper cervical treatment 2 months ago so it is drastically improving, but for 2 years straight i was having such bad anxiety i went to the hospital at least twice a month, as well as severe head pressure and a myriad of other symptoms so yes i was under extreme stress for awhile, im seeing a naturopath for this and will be under treatment in 3 weeks, but im just trying to acquire as much info as possible and treat this in the meantime, have any advice for me?

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at 02:03 PM

Do you have some more details on your diet and lifestyle? Do you eat Paleo? Work out a lot? Have a high-stress job? How is your sleep? Do you drink tons of caffeine? Adrenal fatigue is a lifestyle-induced condition, so you correct it with lifestyle. Reduce stress, improve sleep, don't over-train, etc. Diane Sanfilippo of Balanced Bites talks about adrenal fatigue a lot, and has a couple of podcasts on the topic.

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153c4e4a22734ded15bf4eb35b448e85

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on September 08, 2012
at 02:02 PM

I had it, and it improved with lots of sugar, and carbs in general etc.

I do believe today that it's really not as difficult to treat as some say, it's a cortisol dysfunction, actually a problem with the hypothalamic - pituitary - adrenal axis, people get it from different things, but basically you need to get your hands on the parasympathetic nervous system in some way, it usually starts taking over with carbs, stimulation like spike mats, massage, acupuncture needles, and then you start to relax etc... after it overrides the stress (sympathetic system), you will start "healing".

Specific nutrients are good, you just need to know what to target, and also the body uses more of certain vitamins when stressed, also salt, potassium, magnesium, calcium balance is important so that you start to relax.

The problem is that when you get stressed, it gets hyper, and you can't get "down" (parasympathetic response) like a normal person after the stress, so your cortisol output changes, it gets high in the evening, low in the morning, and so on.

But all in all, the solution differs, but I would try to cut off the stress loop with something that works for you.

Also, do not believe anyone who says that there is healing period where you will feel like shit, you will feel great, and relaxed (!) right away when you find a system that works for you. Not great as in yeah, whoa, more catecholamines, up we go, but great as in just had the best the sleep ever, and feeling all relaxed.

153c4e4a22734ded15bf4eb35b448e85

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on September 08, 2012
at 04:06 PM

Hah, and then one more message :) I felt at the time very overwhelmed with all the things people were trying to push, take this, take that, you need this and that to heal etc, adrenal fatigue is a big business these days, I would be wary, and always listen to yourself first and foremost.

153c4e4a22734ded15bf4eb35b448e85

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on September 08, 2012
at 04:03 PM

So, it wasn't very complicated once I decided to look at what works for me, and I also felt that the book zebras don't get ulcers gave me good ideas.

153c4e4a22734ded15bf4eb35b448e85

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on September 08, 2012
at 03:43 PM

Wanted to add that maybe take a look at ray peats articles, also danny roddys site, I really think it works for a lot of people with this problem. But in general it's imperative that you do stuff that heals you, and works for you, not something someone else says has worked for them, and maybe just makes you feel worse.

5f6d15c9dd935b6fed3623caf984c14e

(439)

on September 08, 2012
at 02:27 PM

so the adrenals can heal themselves?

153c4e4a22734ded15bf4eb35b448e85

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on September 08, 2012
at 03:29 PM

Of course, and fast too, if you can find a balance that works for you. I got better in two weeks, and have remained well.

5f6d15c9dd935b6fed3623caf984c14e

(439)

on September 08, 2012
at 03:42 PM

so can you tell me your treatment plan in a nutshell?

153c4e4a22734ded15bf4eb35b448e85

(762)

on September 08, 2012
at 04:02 PM

Basically what I did myself was that I tried different things, for example meat makes me stressed (increased catecholamine output), spices make me stressed etc. -> I avoided them, fruit makes me very, very relaxed -> lots of fruit for me etc. I knew that I had to take care that my parasympathetic nervoussystem took control -> a spike mat, acupuncture, and meditation, deep breathing. So, that was my treatment :) You might be different, maybe you feel better when eating meat, maybe sugar feels stressing for you? Maybe you relax best watching comedies for example,and meditation feels not so good?

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on September 09, 2012
at 12:22 PM

The problem isn't the adrenals as much as the stress that's driving them. Yes, too much stress can overstimulate them and drain them of resources, so until you get that stress fixed, the best you can do is to provide support through supplementation...

If you have a car that's being driven by someone with a lead foot, it'll wear out faster, so you'll need more frequent oil changes, more tire replacements, and checkups/tune ups, etc., but the fix isn't to repair the car constantly, it's to get the driver to chill out.

Same deal with things like Vitamin C, magnesium, and salt and the like. The real issue is dealing with the driver and the reason for the stress, once that's dealt with, having a normal response to a stressor will not cause a chronic spike in cortisol and they'll heal.

Lots of rest and meditation as well as looking at how you look at stressful situation is what will help fix it. Like the saying goes, if you can't change the situation, change how you view it.

If there's nothing you can do to change something, don't worry about it. Reading things like The Meditations by Marcus Aurelius, and the works of other stoics will likely help here. I can't say they cured adrenal fatigue for me, but they changed my view of the world.

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on September 11, 2012
at 08:44 PM

GREAT analogy with the car, raydawg. So true.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on September 13, 2012
at 10:16 AM

Yes, they can, you may need extra vitamins (C for example) and minerals (sea salt), and adding in some DHEA can help take the pressure off, though probably it'll just use it to make more cortisol if the signals are still not right, but the best thing is to remove the stressors and give it time.

5f6d15c9dd935b6fed3623caf984c14e

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on September 12, 2012
at 11:56 PM

raydawg, when you said the adrenals "can heal" does that mean they have the ability to heal themselves?

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on September 08, 2012
at 03:00 PM

I currently have the same problem and the last thing I would do is respond to this by eating high amounts of sugar and carbs!! That said, I have increased my carb intake of sweet potatoes and starchy veggies somewhat, and what I mean by that is that I may eat a whole medium sized sweet potato instead of a half in a day along with some berries as snacks aiming to bring my carb intake from 50g or so to 100-125 or so a day.

Pantothenic acid (vitamin B5) can also be very helpful in addition to some adaptogenic herbs like holy basil, ashwaganda and lemon balm in the evening.

Lastly, lifestyle modifications are imperative. Less intense workouts, shutting the computer and other electronics in the evening and improving sleep hygiene.

5f6d15c9dd935b6fed3623caf984c14e

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on September 08, 2012
at 03:44 PM

im just so over this fatigue, it is so frustrating. i get discouraged when i hear "just rest, workout less and have a good attitude" type answers, im expecting that this treatment would be overly complicated, unless im wrong, and what your saying is that lifestyle modifications and vitamin b5 is the answer to healing?

353a32aa38fb5cab8f48a698b8b702ea

on September 08, 2012
at 03:59 PM

Not saying that at all... but in my case, that is what seems to help. For me it isn't overly complicated. I had to make conscious decisions to lessen stressors in my life and support healing with proper diet and supplementation... My course of action may not be best for you - just explaining what has been best for me! If that helps, great. If not, keep searching. Good luck!

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on September 12, 2012
at 02:41 AM

Adrenal fatigue = chronic stress catching up with you. So step 1 would be to reduce the stress in your life. Yes, easier said than done. Get enough sleep, drop the things that don't matter, deal with the thing that do, and work out less intensly until the stress is under control.

Step 2, and the answer to your question, is to dial in your nutrition. Make sure that you are getting at least 100% of your RDA for vitamins and minerals. Then: - Take extra B complex, since you need more in times of stress. - Consider taking GABA (an amino acid) to quickly calm you down when dealing with acute stress. - The amino acids valine and taurine are also calming. - Magnesium and calcium can both be calming. Magnesium especially helps with sleep. - Carbs, and especially sugar, can stop a cortisol response. In periods of high stress, sugar will quickly act to calm you down (it's drug-like how effective it is, especially if you generally don't eat much sugar/carbs). - The adrenals require salt and saturated fat to function effectively, so be sure to eat enough.

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on September 12, 2012
at 11:34 AM

Great that you mentioned GABA, it's really one of the best things if someone is stressed, all in all amino acid therapy is great for so many disorders.

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on September 11, 2012
at 07:38 PM

Really surprised no one has recommended this book yet.

You probably don't want to have to read a book, but this is actually a pretty quick read and very informative, especially where supplementation is concerned. Even so, you definitely don't want to do this willy-nilly on your own. Work with your naturopath and make sure you're on a targeted supplementation plan that's right for YOU.

Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome

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on September 08, 2012
at 04:04 PM

I have been following this protocol for adrenal fatigue since the first of June. http://www.drlam.com/articles/adrenal_fatigue.asp?page=3#13 I would recommend reading all the information on Dr. lam's website. The part on hormones is very helpful. I have also been taking these products: Progesterone cream. Homeopathic adrenal liquscence and drops. http://www.pureformulas.com/adrenal-drops-2-oz-by-professional-formulas.html http://www.pureformulas.com/adrenal-liquescence-4-oz-by-professional-formulas.html

I hope you are feeling better soon! I know how you are feeling, it sucks, but it will get better!!

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on September 08, 2012
at 03:01 PM

Calcium is required to stimulate the release of adrenaline and magnesium is needed to buffer excess calcium, which limits stress response.

Many stress-coping mechanisms like smoking and drinking coffee or alcohol only magnify the deficiency.

Magnesium may be the answer.

There are over 12 major metabolic functions that are affected by adrenaline, including heart rate, blood pressure, and muscle contractions. Each function uses magnesium and can lead to depletion if the symptoms continue.

Below is a link to an article at RecoverySpray.com that might be useful to you.

http://www.recoveryspray.com/stress-help-your-body-deal-with-it/

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on April 23, 2014
at 04:13 AM

I think adrenal fatigue is confused with what I'd call "hypothalamic fatigue"

In other words, it's usually people's adrenals that are off, but their hypothalamus.

This is assuming you feel like you have adrenal fatigue because you are getting tired in the day....

The hypothalamus controls wakefulness. Here's why you get tired:

http://selfhacked.com/2014/04/13/people-get-tired-even-enough-sleep/

If you have brain fog:

http://selfhacked.com/2013/06/15/the-cause-of-brain-fog/

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on March 01, 2013
at 10:14 PM

try some magnesium (natural calm) and Holy Basil (new chapter supercritical extract) before bed. your sleep will be a-maz-ing and you will feel so much better. at least i did. and it doesn't like 'go away' after you stop taking it. you just feel 'woken up.' i thought especially the holy basil was helpful.

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on March 01, 2013
at 10:18 PM

also chamomile tea, especially republic of tea get relaxed tea (expensive but very effective!) makes a huge difference for me.

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on March 01, 2013
at 03:13 PM

The most important thing you can do is to find a naturopathic doctor or chiropractor that can do an accurate assessment of your condition, and provide guidance and advice throughout the course of your recovery. I have been through severe adrenal fatigue, and like you was confused with the all the information I was receiving. It is good to do research and take maters into your own hand, but with something like this, having some quality weekly or bi-weekly support from a professional that understands adrenal fatigue and also harbors experience with paleo and alternative medicine is absolutely essential!

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on March 01, 2013
at 01:07 PM

I see all problems as systemic, stemming from unfulfilled holistic requirements.

You need: oxygen, sunlight, exercise (aerobic and anaerobic), sleep, good quality animal matter (various and from various parts of the animal), good quality plant matter (leaves, fruits, vegetables)

You need to avoid: pollutants, being indoors, gluten etc, refined and processed foods in general

These are requirements for everybody, and if we don't get them, what we feel first; what noticably breaks down first, is different for different individuals ~ however, rectifying your problems, from my experience, comes from addressing all of the above issues simultaneously and in an ongoing effort.

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on March 01, 2013
at 01:54 AM

how long does it take to recover from adrenal fatigue?

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on March 01, 2013
at 12:39 AM

Hi, not sure you are still looking for help and did not read all the posts so I apologize for the overlap.
Adrenal fatatigue is caused by stress as many people have noted, but there are many sources of stress (emotional/mental and internal stressors such as food sensitivities, blood sugar problems, infections, leaky gut, etc.). The best way to recover from adrenal fatigue is do get tested and identify internal stressors. It's important to first identify what stage of adrenal fatigue you are in by taking a Salivary adrenal stress test. This looks at cortisol levels throughout the day as well as sex hormones. You might be producing too much or too little at different times during the day. You would also want to get lab work done looking at gut function, liver function and oxidative stress as well as food sensitiivties to help identify hidden internal stressors that are stressing out the adrenals. I am getting certified in Functional Diagnostic Nutrition and would be happy to happy to help you run these labs, eliminate hidden stressors and find healing opportunities. I would provide you with a program that would help eliminate internal stressors using a D.R.E.S.S. for Health Success Model. This would adress diet, rest, exercise, stress reduction and supplements. You can contact me at tinag422@aol.com. Wishing you good health! Tina

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on September 11, 2012
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JayJay is right as are others here. Consider the idea that the adrenal glands receive signals from the pituitary, it is good to know if that system (the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal axis) is functioning properly. If your cortisol output is low (diagnostic criteria for adrenal fatigue), many people will use licorice to elevate it. The challenge is that licorice only acts on the adrenal cortex to raise cortisol and ignores the signal TO the adrenal glands in the form of ACTH. It is wise to address "both sides" of the equation. For men, we use Revolution Macalibrium http://naturalhi.com/Products/Macalibrium.aspx in addition to a high plant-based paleo diet, exercise and stress reduction techniques such as meditation. Be careful on the workouts. Weight training is important as is cardio and also things like yoga, but for those with adrenal fatigue, we have to do all of them in small doses as to avoid additional stress.

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on September 08, 2012
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i dont understand how adrenal treatments work, it does not make sense, hopefully someone can clarify this for me.

for instance, say you have liver damage, and you take milk thistle to help repair the damaged organ and that organ starts to repair and the function of the organ improves. i get that. that makes sense.

but with adrenal fatigue, the adrenals arent damaged in a physical sense, so how does taking vitamin c and licorice root (most commonly referred too for treatments) repair the transmitting signal to produce more or less cortisol?

been searching the internet forever and cannot find this obvious fact...

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on September 09, 2012
at 02:01 AM

You can't pop any ONE herb or vitamin and expect it to produce health on its own.

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

The problem is that your trying to apply the reductionist/allopathic model to a very holistic sort of problem. Does liver damage occur due to a lack of milk thistle in the diet? No. Will milk thistle help that organ get better if you first do not remove whatever toxic actions caused it to become diseased in the first place? No. So, your own answer to treating adrenal fatigue is going to be mulifocal as well. Your going to have to both remove the stressors AND support healing. One without the other will get you nowhere fast.

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