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How to avoid arsenic in the diet (and elsewhere)?

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Created April 29, 2011 at 9:26 PM

Hello, I just had a conversation with a well-known doctor; the long and the short of it is that he thinks that I have poor adrenal function due to environmental toxins, and arsenic in particular. He thinks that I must eat a terrible diet; but I insisted that I do better than most here in the USA.

I usually eat "whole" foods: meat, vegetables, lots of legumes, and tap water. I mostly stay away from sweets and grains.

His opinion is that I need to be eating "organic" foods, among other things. He mentioned chicken (of which I eat copious amounts) as a particular source of arsenic.

Arsenic in the diet is very un-paleo, so what are the best ways to get this and other environmental toxins out of my diet?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 01, 2011
at 12:57 AM

Ok, nobody get their panties in a bunch. I know there are environmental toxins. However, a little arsenic in a chicken breast is not dangerous.

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

(2246)

on April 30, 2011
at 01:29 AM

Would you care to share?

C4f80b8d42e013583c404bdd939c0bbc

on April 30, 2011
at 12:22 AM

The man is not a "celebrity" doctor. He is simply a well-known physician, to whose web site I have been pointed to many times on various health forums on the internet.

C4f80b8d42e013583c404bdd939c0bbc

on April 30, 2011
at 12:20 AM

I used to love to eat seafood; salmon was one of my favorite foods; which I have been told recently is frequently loaded with environmental toxins.

C4f80b8d42e013583c404bdd939c0bbc

on April 30, 2011
at 12:19 AM

The physician did enlighten me about how arsenic is a deliberate additive to chicken feed. The reason I'm posting here is because I know very little about shopping for food from the angle of looking to minimize toxin loads. There is much hearsay about the "organic" food label being misapplied. I hope to be pointed to reliable information.

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(5136)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:33 PM

although the tipoff for that brand would probably have been the fact that they sold "organic " and conventional chickens. A lot of Big Agra is selling "organic" food, but its still the same monoculture lousy farming (if you could call it that) practices. The consumer just pays more for it. additionally, lots of small farmers cant afford organic certification, even when they are putting out a super high quality product.

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(5136)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:31 PM

yup! Agreed. Organic is a tricky label. A farmer who worked with a restaurant i used to work at was discussing the "hormone free" label on pork and saying that basically, they were still raised in poor conditions and when they got sick, they would just let the pigs die. Viola, hormone free. Apparently this die off was built into the operating cost as an estimated percentage. Well, if a buyer pays a premium for "hormone free" pork, they can afford to do that. A lot of very disgusting practices.

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(12379)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:26 PM

moral to this story I think is go to the farm your buying your chickens from!

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(12379)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:26 PM

well - thats disgusting. Apparently a study done by th IATP shows higher concentrations of arsenic in an organic brand than ths same brands non-organic chicken http://www.iatp.org/iatp/publications.cfm?accountID=421&refID=80529

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(5136)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:25 PM

downvoted because i think "Want to get environmental toxins out of your food? Go live in one of those germ-free bubbles." is ridiculous. There are ways to keep these toxins out of food and those ways are called "legislation". Arsenic, for example, as I just learned because of this thread way an additive widely administered to poultry for years (not sure how much it's still used) to kill parasites and "promote growth".

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(5136)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:20 PM

no wait, you're apparently wrong, arsenic is a deliberate additive added to chicken which has nothing to do with the water they drink. It's used to kill parasites. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/05/dining/05well.html

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(5136)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:18 PM

fair enough. I still dont want to eat birds that live with the concentrations of ammonia present in those hen warehouses though.

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(12379)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:14 PM

do you live in an area that could reasonably have a problem with arsenic? (is there a mine (active or not) nearby, heavy industry, petroleum exploration, drilling or processing?)

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(12379)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:13 PM

But I have to follow up and say I am for eating organic (and eat 90% organic) - just not for environmental contaminant reasons.

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(12379)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:11 PM

i'm going to play a bit of a s**t disturber here and point out that the arsenic concentration in the chicken would not change organic vs. not; simply because they would both be ingesting the same source water (as far as I know, organic chickens do not drink filtered water)

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(5136)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:00 PM

http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/

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(5136)

on April 29, 2011
at 10:56 PM

http://blogs.artvoice.com/avdaily/2011/04/07/pennsylvania-farmers-on-fracking/ heavy environmental poisoning is rampant and underreported.

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(12379)

on April 29, 2011
at 10:45 PM

well -since arsenic is rapidly eliminated from your body through your urine - it wouldn't be around from that long ago. You would need a very high dose of arsenic for it to have an effect. I would have to question the arsenic conclusion that this doctor came to - it just sounds fishy to me.

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(12379)

on April 29, 2011
at 10:43 PM

Thomas, I'm with you on this one - it seems pretty fishy to me - especially since arsenic rapidly disappears from the body through urine, so having a problem with arsenic to the degree this doctor suggests it would have to be a high dose of arsenic

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(19235)

on April 29, 2011
at 10:17 PM

Is this only based on talking to you?

C4f80b8d42e013583c404bdd939c0bbc

on April 29, 2011
at 09:50 PM

The well water was from years before the illness began

C4f80b8d42e013583c404bdd939c0bbc

on April 29, 2011
at 09:48 PM

However, come to think of it, I remember having well water from age 5 to about 16. However, none of my family and siblings who lived with me have the same illness.

C4f80b8d42e013583c404bdd939c0bbc

on April 29, 2011
at 09:47 PM

I'm living in an apartment now. However, during the time that I had the illness that prompted this research, I lived in many different places thousands of miles apart.

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Eeb593d6b6d7a939fdd5469b69347d5f

(1037)

on April 29, 2011
at 10:21 PM

1) Contaminated water.
2) Contaminated seafood and kelp.
3) Vindictive spouse.

C4f80b8d42e013583c404bdd939c0bbc

on April 30, 2011
at 12:20 AM

I used to love to eat seafood; salmon was one of my favorite foods; which I have been told recently is frequently loaded with environmental toxins.

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Medium avatar

(12379)

on April 29, 2011
at 09:41 PM

Do you know what your source of tap water is? What I mean is...is it well water? Well water can have quite high concentrations of arsenic.

C4f80b8d42e013583c404bdd939c0bbc

on April 29, 2011
at 09:48 PM

However, come to think of it, I remember having well water from age 5 to about 16. However, none of my family and siblings who lived with me have the same illness.

C4f80b8d42e013583c404bdd939c0bbc

on April 29, 2011
at 09:50 PM

The well water was from years before the illness began

Medium avatar

(12379)

on April 29, 2011
at 10:45 PM

well -since arsenic is rapidly eliminated from your body through your urine - it wouldn't be around from that long ago. You would need a very high dose of arsenic for it to have an effect. I would have to question the arsenic conclusion that this doctor came to - it just sounds fishy to me.

C4f80b8d42e013583c404bdd939c0bbc

on April 29, 2011
at 09:47 PM

I'm living in an apartment now. However, during the time that I had the illness that prompted this research, I lived in many different places thousands of miles apart.

Medium avatar

(12379)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:14 PM

do you live in an area that could reasonably have a problem with arsenic? (is there a mine (active or not) nearby, heavy industry, petroleum exploration, drilling or processing?)

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 29, 2011
at 10:40 PM

I am going to call "BS" on your well-known doctor. Celebrity doctors have one thing in common with most celebrity trainers. They feel compelled to say something different to distinguish themselves from other doctors/trainers. Want to get environmental toxins out of your food? Go live in one of those germ-free bubbles.

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(5136)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:00 PM

http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/

Medium avatar

(5136)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:25 PM

downvoted because i think "Want to get environmental toxins out of your food? Go live in one of those germ-free bubbles." is ridiculous. There are ways to keep these toxins out of food and those ways are called "legislation". Arsenic, for example, as I just learned because of this thread way an additive widely administered to poultry for years (not sure how much it's still used) to kill parasites and "promote growth".

Medium avatar

(5136)

on April 29, 2011
at 10:56 PM

http://blogs.artvoice.com/avdaily/2011/04/07/pennsylvania-farmers-on-fracking/ heavy environmental poisoning is rampant and underreported.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 01, 2011
at 12:57 AM

Ok, nobody get their panties in a bunch. I know there are environmental toxins. However, a little arsenic in a chicken breast is not dangerous.

Medium avatar

(12379)

on April 29, 2011
at 10:43 PM

Thomas, I'm with you on this one - it seems pretty fishy to me - especially since arsenic rapidly disappears from the body through urine, so having a problem with arsenic to the degree this doctor suggests it would have to be a high dose of arsenic

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

(2246)

on April 30, 2011
at 01:29 AM

Would you care to share?

C4f80b8d42e013583c404bdd939c0bbc

on April 30, 2011
at 12:22 AM

The man is not a "celebrity" doctor. He is simply a well-known physician, to whose web site I have been pointed to many times on various health forums on the internet.

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Medium avatar

(5136)

on April 29, 2011
at 10:39 PM

well, i have to agree with the doc about the organic foods, particularly higher quality chicken. Supermarket chickens are raised in really lousy ways and I wouldn't be in the least surprised if they contained arsenic and also ammonia.

Legumes aren't really Paleo either.

after watching "Gasland", which i will go on and on annoyingly about until all you people see it too, I would not be surprised if there was arsenic your tap water, depending on where you live in the US.

Medium avatar

(5136)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:18 PM

fair enough. I still dont want to eat birds that live with the concentrations of ammonia present in those hen warehouses though.

Medium avatar

(12379)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:11 PM

i'm going to play a bit of a s**t disturber here and point out that the arsenic concentration in the chicken would not change organic vs. not; simply because they would both be ingesting the same source water (as far as I know, organic chickens do not drink filtered water)

Medium avatar

(12379)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:13 PM

But I have to follow up and say I am for eating organic (and eat 90% organic) - just not for environmental contaminant reasons.

Medium avatar

(5136)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:20 PM

no wait, you're apparently wrong, arsenic is a deliberate additive added to chicken which has nothing to do with the water they drink. It's used to kill parasites. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/05/dining/05well.html

Medium avatar

(12379)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:26 PM

moral to this story I think is go to the farm your buying your chickens from!

Medium avatar

(5136)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:33 PM

although the tipoff for that brand would probably have been the fact that they sold "organic " and conventional chickens. A lot of Big Agra is selling "organic" food, but its still the same monoculture lousy farming (if you could call it that) practices. The consumer just pays more for it. additionally, lots of small farmers cant afford organic certification, even when they are putting out a super high quality product.

Medium avatar

(5136)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:31 PM

yup! Agreed. Organic is a tricky label. A farmer who worked with a restaurant i used to work at was discussing the "hormone free" label on pork and saying that basically, they were still raised in poor conditions and when they got sick, they would just let the pigs die. Viola, hormone free. Apparently this die off was built into the operating cost as an estimated percentage. Well, if a buyer pays a premium for "hormone free" pork, they can afford to do that. A lot of very disgusting practices.

Medium avatar

(12379)

on April 29, 2011
at 11:26 PM

well - thats disgusting. Apparently a study done by th IATP shows higher concentrations of arsenic in an organic brand than ths same brands non-organic chicken http://www.iatp.org/iatp/publications.cfm?accountID=421&refID=80529

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 30, 2011
at 12:49 AM

I heard that Surrey BC and surrounding area(where my family has farmland) has a high concentration of arsenic in the water. Any stats on this?

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