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Dark chocolate is extremely unhealthy and must be avoided like the plague

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 16, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Now that I have your attention.

This lady seems to have an awful lot to say about this, and not good things either. It's a bit of a twist on the 'dark chocolate is healthy' theory.

http://www.holistichelp.net/blog/is-raw-cacao-really-healthy/

What do YOU think?

A048b66e08306d405986b6c04bf5e8e4

on August 22, 2013
at 03:53 AM

And I read this after having 2 squares of molten bitter chocolate...

Fa4b934bc224b17784fe0ee36d153dcd

(168)

on August 18, 2013
at 11:51 PM

Well MathGirl, 36 comments is more than 10. Also, we know from the Central Limit Theorem how quickly a random sampling converges to the expected distribution. Now, you believe that the commenters aren't random but are people who sought out the article due to their intolerance. That's possible, but given that this is a daily health blog with a regular following, I can't help but think that its a random selection of health-conscious people.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on August 18, 2013
at 07:46 PM

I wouldn't call the 10 or so that commented "a bunch of people." There will be those with an issue and they are the ones most likely to comment.

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(10611)

on August 18, 2013
at 04:30 AM

They're OK for you and me VB. But what if you've never eaten them? Or your branch of humanity quit eating them for a few hundred years. It might take time to readapt.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on August 17, 2013
at 06:44 PM

Interesting. I though oysters were for everyone.

3fc95bca9e723edfbbb72b172798ab49

(1354)

on August 17, 2013
at 03:47 PM

This is definitely a pet peeve of mine. Those that think everything should be perfectly sterile. Absolutely no stressors, nothing even slightly "dirty". Just flawlessly clean. It gets ridiculous what some people come to expect from life.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on August 17, 2013
at 01:37 PM

Seriously, I think that this is one of those foods that might be used with caution, it's known that has a lot of good nutrients and antioxidants and it's a very rich source of magnesium, but into its 300+ nutrients is most likely also that something is off.. and the Theobromine in it has pretty bad reputation, although some like bodybuilders like it pre-workout as has similar properties for focus and strength like caffeine. I guess the does makes the poison in this case.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on August 17, 2013
at 01:36 PM

Seriously, I think that this is one of those foods that might be used with caution, it's known that has a lot of bood nutrients and it's a rich source of magnesium, but into its 300+ nutrients is most likely something is off.. and the Theobromine has pretty bad reputation, although some like bodybuilders like it pre-workout as has similar properties for focus and strengh like caffeine. I guess the does makes the poison in this case.

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(10611)

on August 16, 2013
at 07:19 PM

No bison in Eurasia. W could parse it further using within-species differences...would someone from central Africa in 1 million bc have been able to thrive on ostrea lurida? Maybe not in the first generation, but 4-5 generations on, the inability to digest these oysters would have been sorted out by removing the non-digestion out of the population by toxicity and starvation. This is how I understand selection anyway.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on August 16, 2013
at 05:09 PM

Really? I thought they had buffalo. What about deer?

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(10611)

on August 16, 2013
at 03:52 PM

10,000 years ago there was no beef or bacon on the other side of the pond. Grass fed rabbits and goats, that's the ticket.

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(10611)

on August 16, 2013
at 03:43 PM

Too smart to live a healthy paleo life.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on August 16, 2013
at 03:41 PM

True. Wait a second - why not bison? They did not have them? Anyway, you are absolutely right.

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(10611)

on August 16, 2013
at 03:39 PM

I wonder what a rat hair would do to her.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on August 16, 2013
at 03:00 PM

I've eaten entire bars of 90% and have had no ill effects, if anything I've had positive effects from the caffeine, theobromide, and cocoa butter in terms of performance.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on August 16, 2013
at 02:49 PM

Many bloggers say anything to get the clicks. And controversial blanket statements get more clicks.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on August 16, 2013
at 01:32 PM

I hate the fools who think that because some chocolate has rat hair in it, therefore all chocolate must have rat hair in it. Serious mental deficiencies there...

4610451431ec7155c87a5698be682a95

(1122)

on August 16, 2013
at 01:14 PM

mmmmmm, rat hair(Homer S. voice).

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(10611)

on August 16, 2013
at 12:55 PM

In the deepest sense paleo is about being a complete omnivore. 10,000 years ago humans didn't eat bison, cacao or potatoes. As opportunistic omnivores we ate them and thrived. This does not mean that those foods were "optimal". Our ancestors were concerned with survival not esoteric concepts.

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(10611)

on August 16, 2013
at 12:29 PM

This is a bogus concept of what paleo lifestyle is. Her view is warped by a completely Neolithic urban lifestyle. Change a couple words and she could be talking about any au courant food fad.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on August 16, 2013
at 10:07 AM

Same could be said of numerous other substances.

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on August 16, 2013
at 09:54 AM

sorry, did not read the article, too long for now...about 8 or 9 PgDn's. but on the dark chocolate subject, i gave dark choc up a few months back on the off chance it was a trigger for my silent reflux (aka lpr), which has improved since (on some meds as well tho) & i haven't felt the urge yet to reintroduce. there is some pubmed stuff that talks about chocolate & gerd, possibly due to methylxanthines like theobromine and caffeine, & effect on the LES (lower esophageal sphincter)

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6629b9ed6548231f4774d39a0641a573

on August 16, 2013
at 02:28 PM

"With all that being said, I???m not saying that you should never indulge in raw cacao or chocolate."

Just don't eat whole chocolate bars every day.

"In my personal experience, it does not matter if it is organic processed chocolate, dark chocolate or raw cacao, they all give me the same negative effects. I can???t eat a big hunk of raw cacao or a chocolate bar because both of them give me a headache, anxiety attacks, hyperactivity, trembling and nervousness, racing heartbeat, irritability and I???ll be up all night."

If that's how the author feels, of course it's unhealthy. For her.

"Some people are more sensitive to the chemicals found in chocolate and raw cacao than others. It is typically people who have a very sensitive autonomic nervous system and/or some issues with neurotransmitters and they are the people who need to restrict consumption."

This pretty much sums up what most people should follow... In short, what amount, if any, is good for YOU? The article overall is rather alarmist. I think if the benefits outweigh the harmful effects, then one can go ahead. Chocolate is one of those borderline foods where both physiological and mental reaction is largely individual.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on August 16, 2013
at 03:00 PM

I've eaten entire bars of 90% and have had no ill effects, if anything I've had positive effects from the caffeine, theobromide, and cocoa butter in terms of performance.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on August 16, 2013
at 03:39 PM

I wonder what a rat hair would do to her.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on August 16, 2013
at 02:49 PM

Many bloggers say anything to get the clicks. And controversial blanket statements get more clicks.

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(10611)

on August 16, 2013
at 12:36 PM

I think she's consumed too much by modern dietary obsessions and too little with returning to ancestral foods. Rat hair in my chocolate? Ewwww. Considering the traditional fermentation conditions for cacao, a rat or two might wander into the process.

Her world would obviously be better if there were more exterminators, rat poison and health inspectors. This is paleo????

If she saw where my clams and oysters came from she'd die of fright.

She's a paleo pansy.

4610451431ec7155c87a5698be682a95

(1122)

on August 16, 2013
at 01:14 PM

mmmmmm, rat hair(Homer S. voice).

Medium avatar

(10611)

on August 16, 2013
at 03:43 PM

Too smart to live a healthy paleo life.

3fc95bca9e723edfbbb72b172798ab49

(1354)

on August 17, 2013
at 03:47 PM

This is definitely a pet peeve of mine. Those that think everything should be perfectly sterile. Absolutely no stressors, nothing even slightly "dirty". Just flawlessly clean. It gets ridiculous what some people come to expect from life.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on August 16, 2013
at 01:32 PM

I hate the fools who think that because some chocolate has rat hair in it, therefore all chocolate must have rat hair in it. Serious mental deficiencies there...

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on August 16, 2013
at 09:35 AM

Chocolate is healthy for HEALTHY people, provided there is no sugar in it.

Unfortunately, it is NOT very healthy for those of us who might have:

low stomach acid

hypoglycemia

liver problems

Candida

SIBO

gut dysbiosis

leaky gut

etc. etc. etc.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on August 16, 2013
at 07:19 PM

No bison in Eurasia. W could parse it further using within-species differences...would someone from central Africa in 1 million bc have been able to thrive on ostrea lurida? Maybe not in the first generation, but 4-5 generations on, the inability to digest these oysters would have been sorted out by removing the non-digestion out of the population by toxicity and starvation. This is how I understand selection anyway.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on August 16, 2013
at 12:55 PM

In the deepest sense paleo is about being a complete omnivore. 10,000 years ago humans didn't eat bison, cacao or potatoes. As opportunistic omnivores we ate them and thrived. This does not mean that those foods were "optimal". Our ancestors were concerned with survival not esoteric concepts.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on August 16, 2013
at 10:07 AM

Same could be said of numerous other substances.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on August 16, 2013
at 03:41 PM

True. Wait a second - why not bison? They did not have them? Anyway, you are absolutely right.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on August 16, 2013
at 05:09 PM

Really? I thought they had buffalo. What about deer?

Medium avatar

(10611)

on August 16, 2013
at 03:52 PM

10,000 years ago there was no beef or bacon on the other side of the pond. Grass fed rabbits and goats, that's the ticket.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on August 18, 2013
at 04:30 AM

They're OK for you and me VB. But what if you've never eaten them? Or your branch of humanity quit eating them for a few hundred years. It might take time to readapt.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on August 17, 2013
at 06:44 PM

Interesting. I though oysters were for everyone.

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2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

(1974)

on August 16, 2013
at 01:00 PM

I only read about half of the article but it seemed pretty dramatized to me. I agree that in excess, chocolate can probably have many of the effects mentioned but I have never felt high, like the author describes, from <40g of 85% chocolate which is the most I ever have.

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048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

on August 17, 2013
at 01:33 PM

I've just put some organic cocoa powder in my bowl of yoghurt, coconut milk and blueberries. Ouch :S

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on August 17, 2013
at 01:36 PM

Seriously, I think that this is one of those foods that might be used with caution, it's known that has a lot of bood nutrients and it's a rich source of magnesium, but into its 300+ nutrients is most likely something is off.. and the Theobromine has pretty bad reputation, although some like bodybuilders like it pre-workout as has similar properties for focus and strengh like caffeine. I guess the does makes the poison in this case.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on August 17, 2013
at 01:37 PM

Seriously, I think that this is one of those foods that might be used with caution, it's known that has a lot of good nutrients and antioxidants and it's a very rich source of magnesium, but into its 300+ nutrients is most likely also that something is off.. and the Theobromine in it has pretty bad reputation, although some like bodybuilders like it pre-workout as has similar properties for focus and strength like caffeine. I guess the does makes the poison in this case.

1
96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on August 16, 2013
at 03:04 PM

I prefer mine non-raw, as the raw has more antinutrients. Sure, it has higher antioxidants, but you don't loose that much from dutch processing, etc.

Is it "extremely unhealthy"? Hell no.

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Fa4b934bc224b17784fe0ee36d153dcd

on August 17, 2013
at 12:01 AM

Look at the comments after the article. A lot of people seem to be having serious problems with it. One guy was struggling to breath and spasming. Maybe they're allergic, or maybe there's a common food intolerance. It may be like dairy in that its healthy for some people and damaging for others.

For what its worth the only time I vomited in the last 10 yrs was also the only time I ate a lot of 85% dark chocolate. Milk chocolate may be nutritionally inferior but it never causes any nausea.

Fa4b934bc224b17784fe0ee36d153dcd

(168)

on August 18, 2013
at 11:51 PM

Well MathGirl, 36 comments is more than 10. Also, we know from the Central Limit Theorem how quickly a random sampling converges to the expected distribution. Now, you believe that the commenters aren't random but are people who sought out the article due to their intolerance. That's possible, but given that this is a daily health blog with a regular following, I can't help but think that its a random selection of health-conscious people.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on August 18, 2013
at 07:46 PM

I wouldn't call the 10 or so that commented "a bunch of people." There will be those with an issue and they are the ones most likely to comment.

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