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Beyond a daily multi vitamin do you use any supplements?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created June 29, 2011 at 11:52 PM

Can you tell us why you do or don't use them?

23cdea3bba94e17d2b58b525773d0c0a

(729)

on July 04, 2011
at 12:58 AM

I make nettle infusions as per Susun Weed..... 1 full ounce dried herb to 1qt near boiling water for 8 hours- I actually make it a touch weaker and make up before bed and let steep overnight. Of course I eat nettle other ways as well but this is the best way to get all those vitamins and minerals.

8be12378a6d810513f69643e21218998

(153)

on July 03, 2011
at 03:24 AM

up for sharing your nettle recipe?

31cd30cb210f9d13bf990a3410fce31c

(423)

on July 01, 2011
at 11:18 PM

Right after my workout mixed with just a few ounces of water. On non workout days, first thing in the AM or with my first meal if I am IFing. I have noticed a remarkable difference since starting it in my strength and most notably my recovery time.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on July 01, 2011
at 08:48 PM

Thanks Joshua - I buy Barlean's Organic Fresh Catch Fish Oil. I like Carlson's also. I started taking about a tablespoon each morning. Do you think CLO is better than fish oil?

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21430)

on July 01, 2011
at 07:03 PM

A good bottle of high quality fish oil, or even Cod Liver Oil (seeing as you might benefit from the extra A/D) might do you good. A tablespoon or shotglass of a high quality CLO is not as unpleasant as it sounds. I'm a fan of Carlsen's, but only if I can get it shipped quickly so it can go in the fridge. If I see it on a shelf in a store I pass it up.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 01, 2011
at 04:57 PM

there is some discussion here that could be useful to people -regarding vitamin d in particular, and perhaps other things. Why did you remove the tags i added? We are here to SHARE and disseminate information, right? So why make it more difficult to find?

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on July 01, 2011
at 04:53 PM

there is some discussion here that could be useful to people -regarding vitamin d in particular, and perhaps other things. why did you remove the tags i added?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 30, 2011
at 09:04 PM

Please edit this answer to take out contact info, web links, and self promotion. Read the FAQ at the top right corner of this page. If the answer still does not fit the requirements of the FAQ, it'll have to be deleted. But feel free to participate in the paleohacks community in non-promotional ways!

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

(13978)

on June 30, 2011
at 07:10 PM

I was doing the gummy bear dosage for a while too! Not anymore.

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

(13978)

on June 30, 2011
at 07:08 PM

Taurine! You're like a cat! Just kidding... ;)

Cc7381bd787721575ea9198048132adb

(5541)

on June 30, 2011
at 06:01 PM

Your smoking comment is enough for me to disregard anything you have to say in the future Jay. Smoking 5 packs of cigarettes a day causes no toxicity? You're an idiot.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 30, 2011
at 06:14 AM

hmmm... did i change anything?

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on June 30, 2011
at 05:28 AM

To add another opinion here... I took 10,000 iu all winter and dont take any in the summer. I get a lot of full body so cal sun. My levels in the spring were high 60s and seemed to leave me feeling good. T.S. Wiley mentioned something interesting on the 'Underground Wellness' podcast interview she did. I forgot her exact quote but she said something to the effect of our general lack of sleep effecting our ability to convert sunlight to vit D (surprise surprise), and that with proper (evolutionary) sleep schedules small amounts of sunlight will give us very high vit D

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 30, 2011
at 04:35 AM

Rose, I am sure you are familiar with The Vitamin D Council whihc pretty much includes all the heavy duty Vit D scientists. Cantrell, MD there has stated many times that they consider 10,000 to be the top of safe dosage based on research. This doesn't mean that it could not be higher in indiv , monitored cases. If there are calcium metabolizing issues, then the game changes. Also, very nice comment re: what's "paleo" and what's not. I am 99% healed of serious health issues. I took a LOAD of Omega 3 to do it and continue with 3GMS. Is there anything more paleo than HEALTH?? ;)

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 30, 2011
at 04:28 AM

Yup. Would be good to talk, Rose. Here's one of my email provider's "fakey" email addresses that is useful for very public occasions such as this: potted91986@mypacks.net It isn't so much the epigenetic effects of adoption itself, but rather what occurs in response to pregnancy in these situations and the effects of nutrition, which may be poor as well as other things, dependent upon individ circumstance.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on June 30, 2011
at 04:00 AM

potassium iodide

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 03:57 AM

Oh, mem, I'd love to talk with you about that some time. I'm very curious what your thinking is about the epigenetic effects of adoption. I admit I hadn't thought of it in epigenetic terms, but I've often wondered if adoption has long-term physiological effects.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on June 30, 2011
at 03:53 AM

I totally upvoted you for admitting you take the gummi vitamin as a treat. I do the same thing. :D

Bb1ba0d71083ceaecd3a3b405a977454

(891)

on June 30, 2011
at 03:52 AM

Whoops - I also take a Natural Factors probiotic with each meal too.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 30, 2011
at 03:38 AM

sorry to leave you hanging jeff, gn changed their answer a little so i deleted my comment. it was silly anyway.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 30, 2011
at 03:35 AM

Thanks, Rose. And very much agreed. As sure as I am that my 3 GMS of O-3 daily is absolutely essential for me, and I believe pivotal in healing my autoimmune stuff too, I am also clear that this stuff is *highly* individualized and many folks may easily be able to get enough O-3 from thier diets. Same with other stuff. I think I read in another comment of yours that you are an adoptee? If so, me too. I think there is also a possibility that the possible epigenetics related to that are also important for *some* of us.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 03:03 AM

Good reference. Thanks for the civil exchange, Jay. You're not the first paleo person to warn me about the dosage. Chances are I'll gradually reduce over time until I find the leveling-off point with my inhaler usage, but so far I'm feeling pretty darn good, and will continue until my next round of tests.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:57 AM

Here's a decent article by a very pro vit D scientist: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1753-4887.2008.00102.x/full FWIW, many are more conservative than Heaney. He claims, based on extrapolations of what intakes would be required to reach certain levels, that toxicity should not occur at levels lower than 20K/day. But, I don't see toxicity as the measure. Yuo can smoke 5 packs of cigarettes per day with no toxicity...

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:57 AM

Nice, Mem. This is a good example of using your own history to analyze yourself and your needs, which is a technique I wish more doctors would use. Studies on populations have their uses, but for a sick individual, I don't anything's better than looking through the actual life (and genetic, if known) history, and seeing what worked and what didn't work.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:45 AM

Regarding risk: trade-offs are ubiquitous in biology. Across the animal kingdom, testosterone is associated with aggression and a higher risk of early death, but also great reproductive reward. Birthing and rearing few offspring increases the risk of leaving no descendants, but allows those that do survive to develop more complex biological, social and other structures. And so on. If my inhaler usage hadn't dropped, I probably would have lowered my dose by now (I intended a two-week high-dose period, followed by 5,000 IU). But asthma could kill me quicker than any of the D toxicity symptoms.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:38 AM

There's a philosophical dimension to health, obviously, and I want to address the remark Jay made about my choice not being "very paleo." All snark aside, I appreciate the unnaturalness of what I'm doing, and also the risk. But my understanding of a "paleo" approach (even though I'm not married to calling myself that) is that it uses an understanding of our EEA to achieve maximum health in the current environment, which may be suboptimal. In other words, substitute if you can't get the real thing; don't just curl up and give up. :)

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:33 AM

Thanks for that, Jay. The study I found (actually, a reference to a mysterious study that I can't seem to find) says: "Hypercalcemia has been observed following daily doses of greater than 50,000 IU of vitamin D." (http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminD/ way down on the page, under "Toxicity"). I'll keep looking for a study that references lower supplementation levels, though.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:09 AM

Rose, there is a case control study indicating elevations in serum calcium at 20K IU per day. Some vitamin D cowboys here may claim that mere elevation of serum calcium isn't toxicity, and in the sense that it doesn't lead to a quick death, they are right. That said, elevated serum calcium can lead to many diseases that will kill you... in time.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:06 AM

I take that as a compliment from you. Nice language too.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:59 AM

Quilt, agree that toxicity (as in life-threatening hypercalcemia) does not generally occur at 100ng/ml. And, why is that the fucking measure? Your patients aren't dropping dead in the near-term and you think that's proof of principal? This is a long time coming, but I'm officially calling you out as a quack doctor.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:54 AM

Quilt, agree that toxicity (as in life-threatening hypercalcemia) does not generally occur at 100ng/ml, but it does in many people starting at 150-200ng/ml. And, why is that the fucking measure? Your patients aren't dropping dead in the near-term and you think that's proof of principal? This is a long time coming, but I'm officially calling you out as a quack doctor.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:52 AM

Quilt, agree that toxicity (as in life-threatening hypercalcemia) does not generally occur at 100ng/ml, but it does in many people starting at 150ng/ml. And, why is that the fucking measure? Your patients aren't dropping dead in the near-term and you think that's proof of principal? This is a long time coming, but I'm officially calling you out as a quack doctor.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:50 AM

Jay, I haven't seen research showing acute toxicity in people at 20,000 IU per day, although before starting this regimen I looked for limits like that. Can you point me to this research?

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:49 AM

Quilt, it's a long time coming, but I am officially calling you out as a quack. Also, your personal questions/posts are irritating.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:48 AM

Nutriontator, you are wrong and arrogantly think I lack research merit (even though I'm extremely knowledgeable on this subject). The upper limit is currently 10,000IU per day. Acute toxicity occurs in many people at 20,000 IU per day. The long term effects of keeping your serum level so high is completely untested and only possible because of supplements. That doesn't give you pause?

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:43 AM

metta, I think you meant this to be a comment under a reply. It doesn't make much sense here.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:39 AM

Thank you! I'm terrible about supplementing omega 3, I make my husband take it every morning but rarely do myself. We eat fish only once or twice a week and I'm only buying grassfed beef these days, I suppose given the autoimmune issue I should probably be supplementing it also though.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:34 AM

Everyone is entitled to opinions.....but the data on Vitamin D safety is old and well established from the industrial revolution. Ricketts made a big return then and into the 1930's and then went away for a long time and is now returning to the scene. In five years I have found one person with a normal vitamin D level. And 90% of the patients I see are coming to me with bone issues. This is a branch of medicine I am quite up to date in. No one has ever become toxic on my range and their immune status are been unreal good. Patients like not being sick.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:31 AM

Rose in my office I tell all my patients I want them 70-100 ng/dl if that makes you feel better.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:28 AM

Zn increases testosterone production and increase your DNA gyrase efficiency for would healing and recovery. Very important for adrenal fatigue and diabetics and those with HIV. I take 50 mgs of Zinc a day

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:25 AM

nice.......looks like you kept some good ones though. Plus one.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:24 AM

Well there you go.....The HS CRP needs to be leveled. I go hard after them in my autoimmune patients. I dont know if your doc is that aggressive but I am even more aggressive than Robb Wolfs table in the back of his book on omega three. I also break paleo ranks with autoimmune patients because I mandate prescription grade omega 3's that are kept in the fridge all the time. It is critical. Good Luck and I hope this turns out well for you.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:22 AM

To be fair to Jay, looking at his response in another Vit D thread, he seems to have done a bit of research. :) But so have I (as have you, Nutritionator), and I'm aware that I'm somewhat above "normal" levels for people in the tropics. But my body seems to have taken to this very well, and as has been noted elsewhere, we're all individuals. I'm not a population or an average, and I have my own unique history and physical challenges.

Cc7381bd787721575ea9198048132adb

(5541)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:05 AM

I wish I could downvote comments, the upper limit of Vitamin D per day is something like 50,000 I/U and even at that level people severely deficient in D show huge improvement in health. Do your research before making comments like that Jay.

6481788df76f391ba2746d9f1ad1e8f1

(799)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:04 AM

Is there a minimum threshhold of iodine supplementation I should aiming for?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:01 AM

Jay, I'm not worried about being "paleo." There's nothing much paleo about a rescue inhaler either. I understand the toxicity concerns, and will have my levels tested again in a couple months, so thanks for that, but otherwise, I don't understand your question about what I "want" (was that sarcastic, perhaps?) nor your concern that I'm insufficiently aligned with some paleo doctrine, about which there are apparently conflicting opinions.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:55 AM

Thank you Dr. Kruse - I was just diagnosed yesterday with Sjogren's Syndrome so I suppose that is why I'm low on B12 and she also said I was mildly anemic. I'm not sure at this point what I should do to fix this or at least get into the best health I can despite this. She's given me a pain med and a muscle relaxer for symptoms. I'm concerned about my high CRP but she said everyone with an autoimmune disease has chronically high inflammation markers and didn't say anything else about it. I'm going to have to figure it out on my own it seems.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:51 AM

It's too high a dose and your level is also too high (and might keep rising). 78ng/ml is higher than most people can get from natural sun light, even with lots of sun. Why do you want to sidestep your own body's feedback mechanism to shut down vit D production? Not very paleo of you...

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:47 AM

The more meat one eats the more Iodine one needs. Too bad your friend found that out the hard way.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:46 AM

if youre consuming this much B12 you likely have an underlying issue. Autoimmune or liver metabolism issue. Ask your doc to run organic acid testing and take a peak at your HS CRP. It could help you.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:43 AM

plus one.........

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:41 AM

when do you take your creatine? plus one.....

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:40 AM

nice..........plus one

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:35 AM

I take the same dose.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:22 AM

lol. yes. and "Conventional Wisdom" (a.k.a. mainstream/yr gramma.)

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:17 AM

CW? country & western?

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:15 AM

As formerly veganish and currently possibly a (quite glamorous) hippie, i can say that those types are the least likely to be taking a multi-vitamin. They don't drink a shit-ton of vegetable juice fer nothin. Multi-vitamins are CW. I'm not knocking 'em, I'm just saying. I don't take one.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:14 AM

As formerly veganish and currently possibly a quite glamorous hippie, i can say that those types are the least likely to be taking a multi-vitamin. They don't drink a shit-ton of vegetable juice fer nothin. Multi-vitamins are CW. I'm not knocking 'em, I'm just saying. I don't take one.

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7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

on June 30, 2011
at 12:12 AM

I don't take any vitamins or supplements.

I eat Paleo because it helped me get rid of my blood pressure medication. I don't want new or more pills. I do my best to eat a wide range of food and my blood tests always come back in the normal range. It may not be optimal, but I prefer it this way. Plus, vitamins and supplements are expensive and I'd rather spend my money on food.

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77ecc37f89dbe8f783179323916bd8e6

(5002)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:47 AM

Children's multivitamin in gummy bear form: Even though I probably don't need it, the smaller children's dose make it pretty benign, and I consider it insurance given my sometimes erratic vegetable consumption. Also, before going paleo, gummy bears were my favorite junk food, so eating two a day is a daily treat that I look forward to much more than I anticipated.

Fish oil: the reason is pretty obvious. Even though my primary proteins are pastured grass fed ground beef and pastured eggs, I believe my n3-n6 ratio still needs correction. Once my pills run out I plan on switching to actual oil, which will make larger doses easier to administer.

ZMA: Zinc and magnesium seem to be the only supplements other than VD3 and DHA that all of the leading voices in the paleo world seem to agree on.

BCAA: Since I do heavy lifts four times a week, which is a rather time-consuming commitment, the idea that my body would ever eat away at muscle mass for energy is pretty scary. So, before lifts - and during accidental fasts while studying or travelling - I take the recommended dosage.

Creatine: 5mg/day. Again, I work so hard at achieving strength gains that it would be silly to not ensure that I am maximizing my results without much risk of negative side effects.

CLO: I take this randomly, and when I feel like my sun exposure is low; it replaces my VD3 during the summer. I plan on switching to FCLO at some point.

VD3: 5000 IU every other day during the winter.

Melatonin: Very rarely, when I either fear that falling asleep will be difficult, or when I feel that I really need a good night's sleep. Honestly, though, I haven't really noticed a difference. In the beginning I though I did, but in retrospect it's hard to say if there is any substance to that perception.

Calcium chews: Very rarely, when I think about it. I drink a lot of iced coffee, which messes with calcium absorption according to the recent review on Paleo MD. Also, my left foot has a tendency to randomly get injured, a sharp pain that seems to run through parts in the middle of it. It seems like a bone issue, so calcium makes sense. But, again, I don't supplement calcium frequently.

Flax seed pills: Very rarely, but Seth Roberts self experimentation has convinced me that they have something of value to offer, though the underlying cause or mechanism is unclear. Even if I specifically don't need them, I figure if I take them every once in a while, it can't hurt.

Vitamin C: I like my bacon crispy, which is supposed to be carcinogenic, so when I don't have fruit on hand, I pop a Vit C chew, which Sisson claims might counteract the carcinogenic effects of charred meat. This is another instance where, even if the claim is false or overblown, the negative side effects would be benign.

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

(13978)

on June 30, 2011
at 07:10 PM

I was doing the gummy bear dosage for a while too! Not anymore.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on June 30, 2011
at 03:53 AM

I totally upvoted you for admitting you take the gummi vitamin as a treat. I do the same thing. :D

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3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:01 AM

Vitamin D3, 10,000IU/day. I started taking it a few months ago because I kept bumping into research that showed a definite correlation between lack of sunlight and cancer incidence. Both my birth parents died of cancer, my mother at an age not much removed from my current age, so it was on my mind. Furthermore, I live the life of a mole person, so even the pale, weak sun we get here in the Willamette Valley is not part of my day.

After about a week on the supplements, I noticed I hadn't used my rescue inhaler once. Since starting the regimen about 10 weeks ago, I've used my inhaler six times total. This is pretty close to a miracle for me.

BTW, my doctor nearly fainted when I told her how much I was taking, and she was convinced I was "toxic." She had my levels tested, and I'm at 78 ng/mL (the lab's reference range is 35-100).

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:52 AM

Quilt, agree that toxicity (as in life-threatening hypercalcemia) does not generally occur at 100ng/ml, but it does in many people starting at 150ng/ml. And, why is that the fucking measure? Your patients aren't dropping dead in the near-term and you think that's proof of principal? This is a long time coming, but I'm officially calling you out as a quack doctor.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:49 AM

Quilt, it's a long time coming, but I am officially calling you out as a quack. Also, your personal questions/posts are irritating.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:38 AM

There's a philosophical dimension to health, obviously, and I want to address the remark Jay made about my choice not being "very paleo." All snark aside, I appreciate the unnaturalness of what I'm doing, and also the risk. But my understanding of a "paleo" approach (even though I'm not married to calling myself that) is that it uses an understanding of our EEA to achieve maximum health in the current environment, which may be suboptimal. In other words, substitute if you can't get the real thing; don't just curl up and give up. :)

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:33 AM

Thanks for that, Jay. The study I found (actually, a reference to a mysterious study that I can't seem to find) says: "Hypercalcemia has been observed following daily doses of greater than 50,000 IU of vitamin D." (http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminD/ way down on the page, under "Toxicity"). I'll keep looking for a study that references lower supplementation levels, though.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:34 AM

Everyone is entitled to opinions.....but the data on Vitamin D safety is old and well established from the industrial revolution. Ricketts made a big return then and into the 1930's and then went away for a long time and is now returning to the scene. In five years I have found one person with a normal vitamin D level. And 90% of the patients I see are coming to me with bone issues. This is a branch of medicine I am quite up to date in. No one has ever become toxic on my range and their immune status are been unreal good. Patients like not being sick.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:06 AM

I take that as a compliment from you. Nice language too.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:35 AM

I take the same dose.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 30, 2011
at 04:35 AM

Rose, I am sure you are familiar with The Vitamin D Council whihc pretty much includes all the heavy duty Vit D scientists. Cantrell, MD there has stated many times that they consider 10,000 to be the top of safe dosage based on research. This doesn't mean that it could not be higher in indiv , monitored cases. If there are calcium metabolizing issues, then the game changes. Also, very nice comment re: what's "paleo" and what's not. I am 99% healed of serious health issues. I took a LOAD of Omega 3 to do it and continue with 3GMS. Is there anything more paleo than HEALTH?? ;)

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:51 AM

It's too high a dose and your level is also too high (and might keep rising). 78ng/ml is higher than most people can get from natural sun light, even with lots of sun. Why do you want to sidestep your own body's feedback mechanism to shut down vit D production? Not very paleo of you...

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:22 AM

To be fair to Jay, looking at his response in another Vit D thread, he seems to have done a bit of research. :) But so have I (as have you, Nutritionator), and I'm aware that I'm somewhat above "normal" levels for people in the tropics. But my body seems to have taken to this very well, and as has been noted elsewhere, we're all individuals. I'm not a population or an average, and I have my own unique history and physical challenges.

Cc7381bd787721575ea9198048132adb

(5541)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:05 AM

I wish I could downvote comments, the upper limit of Vitamin D per day is something like 50,000 I/U and even at that level people severely deficient in D show huge improvement in health. Do your research before making comments like that Jay.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:48 AM

Nutriontator, you are wrong and arrogantly think I lack research merit (even though I'm extremely knowledgeable on this subject). The upper limit is currently 10,000IU per day. Acute toxicity occurs in many people at 20,000 IU per day. The long term effects of keeping your serum level so high is completely untested and only possible because of supplements. That doesn't give you pause?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:50 AM

Jay, I haven't seen research showing acute toxicity in people at 20,000 IU per day, although before starting this regimen I looked for limits like that. Can you point me to this research?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:45 AM

Regarding risk: trade-offs are ubiquitous in biology. Across the animal kingdom, testosterone is associated with aggression and a higher risk of early death, but also great reproductive reward. Birthing and rearing few offspring increases the risk of leaving no descendants, but allows those that do survive to develop more complex biological, social and other structures. And so on. If my inhaler usage hadn't dropped, I probably would have lowered my dose by now (I intended a two-week high-dose period, followed by 5,000 IU). But asthma could kill me quicker than any of the D toxicity symptoms.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:54 AM

Quilt, agree that toxicity (as in life-threatening hypercalcemia) does not generally occur at 100ng/ml, but it does in many people starting at 150-200ng/ml. And, why is that the fucking measure? Your patients aren't dropping dead in the near-term and you think that's proof of principal? This is a long time coming, but I'm officially calling you out as a quack doctor.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 03:03 AM

Good reference. Thanks for the civil exchange, Jay. You're not the first paleo person to warn me about the dosage. Chances are I'll gradually reduce over time until I find the leveling-off point with my inhaler usage, but so far I'm feeling pretty darn good, and will continue until my next round of tests.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:01 AM

Jay, I'm not worried about being "paleo." There's nothing much paleo about a rescue inhaler either. I understand the toxicity concerns, and will have my levels tested again in a couple months, so thanks for that, but otherwise, I don't understand your question about what I "want" (was that sarcastic, perhaps?) nor your concern that I'm insufficiently aligned with some paleo doctrine, about which there are apparently conflicting opinions.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:57 AM

Here's a decent article by a very pro vit D scientist: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1753-4887.2008.00102.x/full FWIW, many are more conservative than Heaney. He claims, based on extrapolations of what intakes would be required to reach certain levels, that toxicity should not occur at levels lower than 20K/day. But, I don't see toxicity as the measure. Yuo can smoke 5 packs of cigarettes per day with no toxicity...

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on June 30, 2011
at 05:28 AM

To add another opinion here... I took 10,000 iu all winter and dont take any in the summer. I get a lot of full body so cal sun. My levels in the spring were high 60s and seemed to leave me feeling good. T.S. Wiley mentioned something interesting on the 'Underground Wellness' podcast interview she did. I forgot her exact quote but she said something to the effect of our general lack of sleep effecting our ability to convert sunlight to vit D (surprise surprise), and that with proper (evolutionary) sleep schedules small amounts of sunlight will give us very high vit D

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:31 AM

Rose in my office I tell all my patients I want them 70-100 ng/dl if that makes you feel better.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:59 AM

Quilt, agree that toxicity (as in life-threatening hypercalcemia) does not generally occur at 100ng/ml. And, why is that the fucking measure? Your patients aren't dropping dead in the near-term and you think that's proof of principal? This is a long time coming, but I'm officially calling you out as a quack doctor.

Cc7381bd787721575ea9198048132adb

(5541)

on June 30, 2011
at 06:01 PM

Your smoking comment is enough for me to disregard anything you have to say in the future Jay. Smoking 5 packs of cigarettes a day causes no toxicity? You're an idiot.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:09 AM

Rose, there is a case control study indicating elevations in serum calcium at 20K IU per day. Some vitamin D cowboys here may claim that mere elevation of serum calcium isn't toxicity, and in the sense that it doesn't lead to a quick death, they are right. That said, elevated serum calcium can lead to many diseases that will kill you... in time.

4
Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 30, 2011
at 01:34 AM

I take 25mg zinc, 2-3 GMs Carlsons O-3's, 1/2 dose of GMC Ultra Active Women's Multivit without iron, D3 5000 mg, Mag Cit 400 in the evening.

Why? I was a total health catastrophe in 1997, age 44. After years of fighting progressively worse PMDD, I was seriously depressed. I had been literally aching all over for two years and had joint pain to the extent that I could find no postion of comfort when I tried to sleep and I was sleeping a broken total of about 3-4 hours/night. The ulcerative colitis that had appeared with a bang at age 22 and had been vanquised by my doing Atkins then (but not knowing this - it just "went away") had come back even worse...far worse... I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia and "suspicious for" whatever other soup of autoimmune disease. I shut down when the IM said the "Lupus" and "RA" words. My rosacea was severe. Anxiety at a level of: wooly mammoths at the door.

Even then I didn't believe the appearance of all this stuff together was any coincidence. I was about 185 then at 5'6"...I had been about 30lbs overweight through "creep" and was now 50lbs overweight...

Paxil for a little under two years bought me time and especially helped my seveer anxiety which was through the roof. I began researching...I remembered Atkins from 1974 and75...

Bought the new Atkins, Protein Power, Carbohydrate Addicts and Sugar Busters and read alot and thought alot. Then Andrew Stolls's psych research came out using omega 3's.

Weaned off Paxil over 2 months...titrated Omega 3's up - highest was 10GM/day...averaged 8GMs/d for more than a year, along with multi, along with first 50lbs off in 10 months, by now it was Oct of 2000. (I had put 50lbs more on over two years taking Paxil.)

2 more years on all the above stated supps minus D3 (started 3 years ago) and 90lbs was off.

Cut to the chase: I believe, rightly or wrongly, that O-3's had a very powerful effect in my healing - brain - deranged metabolism -bowel -joints (I was a hypoglycemic/IR nightmare who literally could not go without eating 3 hours sometimes without becoming so hypoglycemic I looked Parkinsonian!) I believe O-3's continue to be very supportive to my health. I believe that they have been highly instumental in healing my IR. Additionally, I have experienced, strongly, that they affect my stress tolerance. My childhood was a massive string of fight or flight experieces. To say the least, I've been the "cortisol Queen" all my life. I've gotten alot accomplished in my life and contributed in ways to my profession that I feel good about. And Im definitely a person you want around in any kind of emergency/crisis situation. But having neurobiology like mine in which I liteally go from zero to 1000 in a second, has not been healthy for me in the longterm and has infact, harmed me alot. Not to mention that it has fed into many years of super-workaholism...mega stress...little sleep...you get the pic...

Omega-3's are a part of multiple self healing interventions that I work on me as in my opinion, the "Cortisol Queen" is never going to completely heal.The others include consiousness work/meditation and some wooooooo energy work. Whenever I can access Trager Method bodywork, I do so. I have deeply, deeply established neural pathways that began in very early childhood. Denying them aint helpful.

High B Vits especially in my multi are very important. I'm post menopausal and the night-wake-up fairies and hot flash devils still visit me. I think my B's and other supports in my multi are helpful.

Nice smoothout effects with mag, nice synergism with zinc+mag and nice "I like never being sick" effects from Zinc.

And we all know about D3.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:57 AM

Nice, Mem. This is a good example of using your own history to analyze yourself and your needs, which is a technique I wish more doctors would use. Studies on populations have their uses, but for a sick individual, I don't anything's better than looking through the actual life (and genetic, if known) history, and seeing what worked and what didn't work.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 30, 2011
at 04:28 AM

Yup. Would be good to talk, Rose. Here's one of my email provider's "fakey" email addresses that is useful for very public occasions such as this: potted91986@mypacks.net It isn't so much the epigenetic effects of adoption itself, but rather what occurs in response to pregnancy in these situations and the effects of nutrition, which may be poor as well as other things, dependent upon individ circumstance.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on June 30, 2011
at 03:35 AM

Thanks, Rose. And very much agreed. As sure as I am that my 3 GMS of O-3 daily is absolutely essential for me, and I believe pivotal in healing my autoimmune stuff too, I am also clear that this stuff is *highly* individualized and many folks may easily be able to get enough O-3 from thier diets. Same with other stuff. I think I read in another comment of yours that you are an adoptee? If so, me too. I think there is also a possibility that the possible epigenetics related to that are also important for *some* of us.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 30, 2011
at 03:57 AM

Oh, mem, I'd love to talk with you about that some time. I'm very curious what your thinking is about the epigenetic effects of adoption. I admit I hadn't thought of it in epigenetic terms, but I've often wondered if adoption has long-term physiological effects.

4
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:09 AM

i don't even take "multi vitamins" or anything at all - fish oil and stuff like that - that's for hippies, vegans and other unglamorous creatures

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 30, 2011
at 03:38 AM

sorry to leave you hanging jeff, gn changed their answer a little so i deleted my comment. it was silly anyway.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:15 AM

As formerly veganish and currently possibly a (quite glamorous) hippie, i can say that those types are the least likely to be taking a multi-vitamin. They don't drink a shit-ton of vegetable juice fer nothin. Multi-vitamins are CW. I'm not knocking 'em, I'm just saying. I don't take one.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 30, 2011
at 06:14 AM

hmmm... did i change anything?

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:17 AM

CW? country & western?

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:22 AM

lol. yes. and "Conventional Wisdom" (a.k.a. mainstream/yr gramma.)

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:14 AM

As formerly veganish and currently possibly a quite glamorous hippie, i can say that those types are the least likely to be taking a multi-vitamin. They don't drink a shit-ton of vegetable juice fer nothin. Multi-vitamins are CW. I'm not knocking 'em, I'm just saying. I don't take one.

4
66974b2cb291799dcd661b7dec99a9e2

(11121)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:00 AM

I don't believe veggies have the vitamin / mineral content they used to have due to the over use of fertilizers and soil depletion. Same with the feed that even grass fed cows get. I take a good mineral supplement, vit K2, magnesium, vit D, vit E and vit C, but not daily, I stagger them out over 2-3 days.

3
23cdea3bba94e17d2b58b525773d0c0a

(729)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:21 AM

I'm wary of synthetic vitamins. When I'm not making kefir and/or eating lots of veggie ferments, I take a probiotic (Renew Life). I take fermented CLO and high vitamin butter oil. I also take digestive bitters before meals if I'm not having a bitter salad. Otherwise I try to get most of my nourishment the old fashioned way- free range eggs, pastured meat/fat/dairy (sorry- I'm not officially paleo) and as local and seasonal as I can get and I consume a lot of nettle and bone broth. I do a lot of wildcrafting and foraging and spend time in the sun WITHOUT commercial sunscreen.

8be12378a6d810513f69643e21218998

(153)

on July 03, 2011
at 03:24 AM

up for sharing your nettle recipe?

23cdea3bba94e17d2b58b525773d0c0a

(729)

on July 04, 2011
at 12:58 AM

I make nettle infusions as per Susun Weed..... 1 full ounce dried herb to 1qt near boiling water for 8 hours- I actually make it a touch weaker and make up before bed and let steep overnight. Of course I eat nettle other ways as well but this is the best way to get all those vitamins and minerals.

2
61a27a8b7ec2264b1821923b271eaf54

(3175)

on July 01, 2011
at 04:31 PM

I grind up a mushroom called Chaga, which grows on birch trees here in Alaska, and make a tea which I drink several cups of every evening. Full of anti-oxidants and polysaccharides.

2
16e617676c5ac710e5235e0b773edc0b

on June 30, 2011
at 12:37 AM

No multivitamin, just magnesium, vitamin D, and alpha lipoic acid. Occasionally I'll take a B-100 or some turmeric but for the most part that's it. I used to be a real vitamin junkie (enthusiast?) but I'm sort of weaning myself off most at this point.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:25 AM

nice.......looks like you kept some good ones though. Plus one.

2
26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

on June 30, 2011
at 12:25 AM

I don't take a multivitamin. They have waay too much stuff I already get enough/too much of, for one (A, B vitamins). I'm not a big supplement person and those I use, I don't use every day, every week or even for months at a time. But I will list them anyway:

Vitamin D, when I'm not getting regular sun - duh. ;)

Zinc, a few times per month - since I started doing this, the white spots on my nails went away and my skin has been extra nice. Will continue.

Kelp pill, every so often - I worry that I don't get enough iodine.

Sometimes I take a teaspoon of cod liver oil, but not at all regularly. I consume so much grassfed heavy cream and butter, eggs, and liver I'm practically ODing on retinol every day, and I don't want to push it.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:43 AM

plus one.........

2
246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21430)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:20 AM

I'm taking 60mg of zinc, 400mg of magnesium, and 10mg of B6 nightly to improve my sleep.

I'm also taking 400mg vit k 4 times per week. This is mostly due to being VLC and not getting very much K in my diet.

Finally, Cod Liver Oil every night, but I usually just take enough to balance out my omegas... anywhere between a single tablespoon and a 1.5oz shotglass (if I've eaten commercial poultry/pork).

I don't take a multivitamin because I don't like the "kitchen sink" approach to multis. I've logged my daily intake off-and-on for several years and even when I'm not trying, my vitamin/mineral intake is very, very consistent. The items above resolve most irregularities, and seem to work the best for me.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:40 AM

nice..........plus one

1
A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

(13978)

on June 30, 2011
at 07:07 PM

I basically follow the unofficial Robb Wolf recommendations:

  • Natural Calm (dose as recommended)
  • Now Foods Super Enzymes (two w/ evening meal)
  • Now Foods Probiotics (one before breakfast)
  • Vitamin D (5000 - 7000 / day)
  • Evening Primrose Oil
  • Cod Liver Oil (one tbsp / day)
  • Kelp Caps

I was taking a pre-natal (not pregnant yet; but actively trying) until I decided just to eat more grass-fed beef liver, ghee, duck eggs, and cod liver oil.

1
345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on June 30, 2011
at 06:57 PM

I don't take anything but digestive enzymes. I react to everything, including vitamis so just eat the best I can to get all I can out of it. I do bruise easily so I'm sure I'm deficient, but always have been even since a teenager.

I would feel worse if I took more, I can't really even take any meds either.

1
Ba1dc1d071bad502f018cdeb3a6b0e8c

on June 30, 2011
at 12:06 PM

besides a powdered high quality multi-vit, I take liquid zinc, liquid high EPA Omega 3, 5HTP/Mg/Vit B3/Vit B6 compound, pure whey protein powder, pro-biotic, liposomal Vit C and the best thing of all: plenty of water (33mls per kg of body weight to be precise, with 1L more per hour of exercise).

1
1d952d225819b0229e93160a90bf9bf8

on June 30, 2011
at 11:44 AM

K1,K-2 and cod liver oil gels for D.I'm celiac, and also deal with gluten ataxia(the second has gotten really out of hand recently), so probably seeing B12 supplements starting next week.I cannot pimp the K vitamins enough..my teeth are stronger, and my skin is soft as a baby's butt now.

1
1a641bbff1a7b0a70f08410376bbdf6b

(1587)

on June 30, 2011
at 09:38 AM

  • Multi (will probably stop with that, as there seems to be no evidence that it does anything)

  • Mg 300mg after training & 300mg before bed

  • D3 depending on the season, certainly not right now ;)

  • l-glutamine (experimenting with high doses for its immune boosting and gut healing properties)

  • because of an injury: glucosamine-chondroitin, msm, boswelia

  • Vit C, just started (again), also for its tissue building effects

1
7b494127ac67e85e572c5222aaee9b4d

(668)

on June 30, 2011
at 08:17 AM

I take daily:

  • 1 Multi (LEF 2 a day)
  • 1 5000 IU D3
  • 1 LEF K2 formula
  • 1 1000 mg Vit C
  • 5 Kelp pills yielding 1.625 mg of Iodine

Ocassionally:

  • 2 tsp fish oil (only on days when I eat higher 06 and do not consume alcohol, on my standard VLC grassfed beef day I don't take this)
  • 500 mg Mg
  • 500 Mcg sublingual Melatonin (very ocassionally)

I feel great.

1
F6ea948ab43dc51d72509c0989e670fe

(1639)

on June 30, 2011
at 07:28 AM

Because I'm eating a cyclic low/zero-carb diet and worried that I don't get enough nutrients. I also am trying to make sure I don't have deficiencies, and that I can lose another 100 pounds without a setback.

Multivitamin & a multi-mineral

Vitamin D3

Vitamin B-12

Vitamin C

Super-Enzyme (after a meal)

Iodine (kelp)

Vitamin K2

Choline

1
66283d390809787a11a81be7ee5fb98d

(280)

on June 30, 2011
at 05:45 AM

I don't take anything. Just real food, and lots of it.

1
1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on June 30, 2011
at 05:07 AM

For my irregular heart beat I try and maintain a 4:1 potassium to sodium ratio. By taking:

Magnesium:

http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-High-Absorption-Magnesium-100-mg-120-Tablets/15?at=0

I also take potassium gluconate:

http://www.iherb.com/now-foods-potassium-gluconate-1-lb-454-g/13939?at=0

And with this (Taurine for my heart):

http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Taurine-1000-1000-mg-100-Capsules/133?at=0

as well as Co-Q10:

http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Q-absorb-Co-Q10-100-mg-60-Softgels/142?at=0

I also take Vitamin D and Fish Oil...

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

(13978)

on June 30, 2011
at 07:08 PM

Taurine! You're like a cat! Just kidding... ;)

1
89985542ffc00c296552951369fe809a

on June 30, 2011
at 04:22 AM

*Vitamin D 3 = 10,000 IU a day *Omega 3 Fatty Acids *Resvertrol *Curcumin *Digestive Enzymes *Milk Thistle

And others that are mixtures, thank you Life Extension.

1
E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on June 30, 2011
at 04:05 AM

No multi

10.000-20.000IU Vit A

Vit D when no sun

5mg Vit K2-MK4

25mg zinc

1-2g Vit C

750mcg potassium iodide

1
74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on June 30, 2011
at 03:56 AM

Vitamin D3 (I live in the Pacific Northwest, where the sun shines maybe one week per year?), Kelp (for a bit of iodine, since I'm pretty sure my veggie years were out to kill me), and Inositol (a new addition as of yesterday).

The Inositol is for my OCD/Anxiety. Here's hoping it helps. :)

1
Bb1ba0d71083ceaecd3a3b405a977454

on June 30, 2011
at 03:52 AM

Multivitamin 2,000 IU D3 1,500 mg Curcumin 3 X Recovery extra strength (MSM/Glucosamine for joint pain) 2,000-3,000 mg wild salmon oil

I dump the D3 if I am out in the sun all day and ditch the fish oil relative to how much salmon/sardines I consume so theoretically D3 and fish oil supplementation could be 0 on a sunny, fish-filled day. I have recently been tracking my nutrition on fitday.com and although there are a few shortcomings it has shown me that my macro ratios are about 60/20/20 fat/carbs/protein and all my micronutrient levels are way over (150-200%+) the recommended daily levels. The only exception is D (80% of recommended) which I supplement and calcium (90% of recommended - I eat no dairy).

Given this I am seriously considering losing the multi and switching the Curcumin so that I only take it when my knees act up rather than daily. Hopefully can do the same with the MSM.

Bb1ba0d71083ceaecd3a3b405a977454

(891)

on June 30, 2011
at 03:52 AM

Whoops - I also take a Natural Factors probiotic with each meal too.

1
1fc9c11cf23b2f62ac78979de933ad83

(2435)

on June 30, 2011
at 03:08 AM

I take a generic pre-natal. I started taking Sam-e and vitD3 for my depression, and they helped a bit, taking a break from them now, still seem okay. I have fish oil that I rarely take because I don't like them, and forget about them in my fridge. I give my 3 year old a Flintstone and some fish-oil gummies when I remember/when she asks for them. I'm worried about iodine, what are good sources aside from kelp?

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on June 30, 2011
at 04:00 AM

potassium iodide

1
A108f6196fe47b203730f7b8d55b6cb6

(10)

on June 30, 2011
at 02:41 AM

I take 8.1 grams of SFH (stronger Faster Healthier) liquid fish oil first thing in the morning empty stomach. Thats only one tablespoon. It comes in 5 flavors so I switch it up from Lemon or tangerine to chocolate or mint. I take Methyl B12 in am. I also use the Post Workout Recovery Drink it has all the branch chain and essential amino acids you need for ATP replenishment, cell hydration and cell recovery! Best part, it comes from Grass Fed Cattle that are calved only once a year. Keeps the estrogen levels super low.
I also use ZMA or Natural Calm at night. Depending on how I feel I add Zinc and B6 as well throughout the day.
My new favorite is E3 Alive. a frozen Algae. It has all the essential minerals and vitamins.

Heres a link for SFH products with a discount. www.strongerfasterhealthier.com/ref/APL

APL will give you a 10% discount.

1
Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 30, 2011
at 01:55 AM

Just two for me: Now ZMA at bed and then two of the Spectrum Fish oil capsules after each daily workout. I tried spooning cod liver oil and it just wasn't convenient for me - I like to keep to a consistent time when I take my supplements. Both for recovery in addition to the ZMA for sleepytime. The way I eat replenishes all the rest, so just keeping it simple :)

1
667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:32 AM

green pastures fermented cod liver oil

Magnesium as natural calm

Acetyl L carnitine

Zinc

Creatine

Beta-Alanine

BCAAs

The cod liver oil I've just always taken since WAP. Magnesium cuz I don't think I get it through my food. ALC because of supposed mental benefits. Creatine for muscle mass and workout performance. Beta alanine for performance. Oh and zinc cuz I don't think I get it through diet enough.

1
A31b063c5866c08aa9968a8f2f1e9949

(1721)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:16 AM

I'm sure you've seen them, but just in case:

http://whole9life.com/2010/08/whole9-supplement-evaluation-checklist/

http://whole9life.com/2010/09/supplements-part-ii/

I take Carlson's fish oil, the Now Foods enzymes and zinc, and natural calm magnesium--all stuff referenced on their post because I wanted to try them out. I figure I probably have a lot of inflammation issues, and Omega 3/6 imbalance. The fish oil and magnesium were meant to help with that. Magnesium also meant to help manage stress levels and improve sleep quality. The enzymes were in lieu of a multivitamin. I would rather digest more nutrients from my food than take them in a pill.

I don't really know why I am taking the zinc. As a result, I forget to take it a lot.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:28 AM

Zn increases testosterone production and increase your DNA gyrase efficiency for would healing and recovery. Very important for adrenal fatigue and diabetics and those with HIV. I take 50 mgs of Zinc a day

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on June 30, 2011
at 12:42 AM

I have supplements in the house, but I usually just use them medicinally. I keep MSM in the house in case something sets off my dog's allergies or in case I accidentally gluten myself as it helps a bit with the inflammation. I keep Vitamin D around for when I realize I'm not getting enough sun. I keep digestive enzymes around for when the stress hits the fan and I know I'm not digesting my food properly. Things like that.

1
6481788df76f391ba2746d9f1ad1e8f1

on June 30, 2011
at 12:31 AM

3,000 IUs of D3 and 3 kelp tablets and 6 fish oil capsules (when I remember them). The kelp is to provide natural iodine, as a friend of mine who was very compliant Paleo got pushed into iodine deficiency. I know I could get more natural iodine from eating sea vegetables and such, but it's honestly cheaper to take the kelp tablets. At some point I will get my iodine/bromide levels tested. I don't have overt iodine deficiency symptoms at the moment.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:47 AM

The more meat one eats the more Iodine one needs. Too bad your friend found that out the hard way.

6481788df76f391ba2746d9f1ad1e8f1

(799)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:04 AM

Is there a minimum threshhold of iodine supplementation I should aiming for?

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34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:26 AM

I take a multi that has a probiotic in it, I take vitamin D 5000 iu, potassium and I just started taking a B12 supp because I was in the low-normal range on my blood work. Before anyone tells me to just eat more beef - I eat a shit ton of beef, my body apparently isn't using it.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:24 AM

Well there you go.....The HS CRP needs to be leveled. I go hard after them in my autoimmune patients. I dont know if your doc is that aggressive but I am even more aggressive than Robb Wolfs table in the back of his book on omega three. I also break paleo ranks with autoimmune patients because I mandate prescription grade omega 3's that are kept in the fridge all the time. It is critical. Good Luck and I hope this turns out well for you.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:46 AM

if youre consuming this much B12 you likely have an underlying issue. Autoimmune or liver metabolism issue. Ask your doc to run organic acid testing and take a peak at your HS CRP. It could help you.

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(4171)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:55 AM

Thank you Dr. Kruse - I was just diagnosed yesterday with Sjogren's Syndrome so I suppose that is why I'm low on B12 and she also said I was mildly anemic. I'm not sure at this point what I should do to fix this or at least get into the best health I can despite this. She's given me a pain med and a muscle relaxer for symptoms. I'm concerned about my high CRP but she said everyone with an autoimmune disease has chronically high inflammation markers and didn't say anything else about it. I'm going to have to figure it out on my own it seems.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:39 AM

Thank you! I'm terrible about supplementing omega 3, I make my husband take it every morning but rarely do myself. We eat fish only once or twice a week and I'm only buying grassfed beef these days, I suppose given the autoimmune issue I should probably be supplementing it also though.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on July 01, 2011
at 08:48 PM

Thanks Joshua - I buy Barlean's Organic Fresh Catch Fish Oil. I like Carlson's also. I started taking about a tablespoon each morning. Do you think CLO is better than fish oil?

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(21430)

on July 01, 2011
at 07:03 PM

A good bottle of high quality fish oil, or even Cod Liver Oil (seeing as you might benefit from the extra A/D) might do you good. A tablespoon or shotglass of a high quality CLO is not as unpleasant as it sounds. I'm a fan of Carlsen's, but only if I can get it shipped quickly so it can go in the fridge. If I see it on a shelf in a store I pass it up.

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31cd30cb210f9d13bf990a3410fce31c

(423)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:23 AM

No multis for me. I take 2 grams EPA per day plus 5000 IU of D3, 5 grams Creatine and 10 grams BCAAs. At night I take a magnesium/potassium supplement.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:41 AM

when do you take your creatine? plus one.....

31cd30cb210f9d13bf990a3410fce31c

(423)

on July 01, 2011
at 11:18 PM

Right after my workout mixed with just a few ounces of water. On non workout days, first thing in the AM or with my first meal if I am IFing. I have noticed a remarkable difference since starting it in my strength and most notably my recovery time.

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559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:19 AM

No multi. I take 1-2 tsp(?) fish-oil and 2,000IU vitamin D daily. I randomly take magnesium, vitamin C, and a probiotic.

I'd rather not be taking supplements at all.

1
3f5bbb444498a24f1a9720d75fa7c903

on June 30, 2011
at 12:08 AM

I don't take a multivitamin. I alternate the following: Day 1: 3 fish oil caps (from Sisson), 1 probiotic (Sisson), 6000 IU Vitamin D3, 1 cap Vitamin K2. Day 2: 1/2 tsp Green Pasture's Fermented Cod liver and butter oil, 1 probiotic. Day 3: Dr. Cannell's Vitamin D3 (5000 IU) with Mg, Zn, B, K2, and a few other trace things. On occasion, I take a little Natural Calm magnesium if I feel headachy. However, I read that it may contain some lead, so I doubt if I will do that any more. Anyone want some Natural Calm?

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B2ded7065954a17934c546f691913908

on July 11, 2012
at 08:23 AM

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Just what natural vitamins must i get?

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(258)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:15 AM

you know? i read these boards and find such great information! and then... some toxic, off the wall, demeaning comment from some smart asshole. you can eat all the grass fed beef in the world and your toxic mind will still kill you. try to be nice and understand other peoples opinions and choices. it will compliment your healthy lifestyle.

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(18701)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:43 AM

metta, I think you meant this to be a comment under a reply. It doesn't make much sense here.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 30, 2011
at 08:18 PM

When we first started the Paleo Diet, we knew there were deficiencies because we weren't taking in as much food as we needed in whole foods. We started taking additional vitamins like major brand isolated Vitamin D, Multis, Fish Oil, & Acai. Learning later, most major Vitamin companies produce their vitamins with Soy Coating or Soy Gel Caps. The soy was a no bueno. Even Robb Wolf mentioned this.

We are Crossfit & Paleo advocates, so finding a natural paleo alternative is our goal.

Moringa has been used widely in other countries to fight malnutrition and can be eaten as a food, similar to spinach. Its has more densely concentrated vitamins in its powder form. The powder is not a 10 step pharma process and is not chemically made. The source of Moringa can come from many parts of the world. It naturally contains All Vitamin complexes & Minerals including magnesium, All essential & non Essential Amino Acids, Natural Antioxidants from chlorophyll like wheatgrass which is great for absorption, and plant based protein complex for recovery.

MOGO Nutrition Brand MOGO Moringa available at Mogomoringa.com , this is our own company, but please take time to learn about Moringa.

No Spam, just a great multi non soy natural plant based alternative when getting. A lot of info on Moringa can be found on the net, just be careful of the color, texture, and source. We felt this was a relevant post, to understand more how sups can be taken while learning and living Paleo.

Also taking Moringa is good as a paleoists mom's alternative to pre-natal pills on the market

Reach out to us: David & Sandy MOGO Nutrition, LLC info@mogomoringa.com

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(24543)

on June 30, 2011
at 09:04 PM

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