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Is ZC a therapeutic remedy for sugar addiction, mood issues, and hypoglycemia?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created November 20, 2011 at 7:50 PM

I'm contemplating starting a ZC regimen for 30 days with the only carbohydrate in my diet coming from coconut milk and eggs.

I've been struggling with some sugar/carb addiction recently. Basically, I follow VLC paleo for a couple of days, but then if I even eat a couple of bites of fruit, I tend to binge and feel completely out of control. I feel like I can't handle even the slightest amount of carbohydrate.

I'm also wondering whether I'm hypoglycemic.

I'd really love to lose 20-30 pounds, but honestly, my biggest concern right now is getting my blood sugar under control, because no only does it make me feel like a crazy person, but it also really affects my moods (particularly increasing my feelings of anxiety).

Have any of you used ZC or very very low-carb to control blood sugar and thus your mood states? I really want to heal my insulin resistance and get to a healthy place.

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on November 20, 2011
at 10:17 PM

I'm not sure I'm still damaged because I have lost 4 inches off my waist since early September and I have no urge to binge despite eating fruit, drinking water kefir and using local honey in my coffee.

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on November 20, 2011
at 10:16 PM

I believe I was metabolically damaged 8 months ago; I had the classic "ancient Venus" body type and I was a binge eater. My normal binge was more on "snack foods" than "desserts" though. Now, I don't meet the AMA definition of metabolic syndrome but I do need to have my fruit at the end of a meal rather than on its own. My carbs range between 50 and 100 per day.

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on November 20, 2011
at 08:37 PM

I guess my fear is that i'm metabolically damaged and that i can't tolerate any carbohydrate

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on November 20, 2011
at 08:34 PM

What do you consider "moderate carb" in terms of grams per day? Also, do you consider yourself metabolically deranged as they say?

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on November 20, 2011
at 08:23 PM

Wow, congrats! That's awesome.

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on November 20, 2011
at 08:10 PM

My mood improved on ZC, but maybe because I cut out eggs.

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on November 22, 2011
at 04:57 AM

It works for me too. Within days of cutting out all plants my brain fog eases and my mood is absolutely transformed. I barely recognise myself from the anxiety-ridden teary mess I have struggled with being for so long, to the calm, peaceful feeling I experience steadily by just eating animal products.

I know this is not everyone's experience, but if you feel you have mood problems that don't respond to just LC/VLC I think it is at least worth trying ZC for a month. The difference between VLC and ZC is like night and day for me.

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on November 21, 2011
at 06:10 PM

It worked for me. Although I had successfully eaten VLC for a long time in the past, at a certain point in time I had begun having precisely the problems you describe of reacting very strongly to small amounts of carbohydrate, resulting in binges and mood disturbances. ZC completely resolved it within a couple of weeks.

There seem to be some different experiences here. It seems like the only way to know how it would work for you is to try it.

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on November 20, 2011
at 08:22 PM

My reactions are very similar to Krisha.

I'm doing great now on moderate carbs including honey, but when I tried to go ZC, then VLC, a few months ago I went stark raving nuts and lost a month to binge eating before I was able to get myself together and settle back onto moderate carbs.

I just recently finished losing the weight I gained back and since early September on moderate carbs I've lost FOUR inches off my waist. Both measurements were taken in the morning before I ate or drank and my jeans say the losses are real.

I'll never try to restrict carbs severely ever again.

220994a1bcff1923ef0388192bdba8d4

on November 20, 2011
at 08:34 PM

What do you consider "moderate carb" in terms of grams per day? Also, do you consider yourself metabolically deranged as they say?

724ba4f39f7bbea7f74b45c0a79615f2

(1968)

on November 20, 2011
at 08:23 PM

Wow, congrats! That's awesome.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 20, 2011
at 10:16 PM

I believe I was metabolically damaged 8 months ago; I had the classic "ancient Venus" body type and I was a binge eater. My normal binge was more on "snack foods" than "desserts" though. Now, I don't meet the AMA definition of metabolic syndrome but I do need to have my fruit at the end of a meal rather than on its own. My carbs range between 50 and 100 per day.

220994a1bcff1923ef0388192bdba8d4

on November 20, 2011
at 08:37 PM

I guess my fear is that i'm metabolically damaged and that i can't tolerate any carbohydrate

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 20, 2011
at 10:17 PM

I'm not sure I'm still damaged because I have lost 4 inches off my waist since early September and I have no urge to binge despite eating fruit, drinking water kefir and using local honey in my coffee.

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on November 20, 2011
at 08:25 PM

I've watched a presentation that demonstrated that the best way to create binge eating in rats was to feed them sugar and then deprive them of it. J Stanton also makes a compelling case that "going cold-turkey VLC (very low carb) or zero-carb makes the transition [to lower carb] much harder, particularly for people who are already physically active."

So ... all of this says that ZC is one option for dealing with blood sugar issues ... just remove carbs. But as you are finding out, it can be hard to get over the hurdle. And it doesn't really "heal" insulin resistance. If you want that, you'd be better off adding in some high intensity interval training.

Me, I'm trying a more moderate path. I've found that what has worked for me is avoiding sugar/refined grains, really boosting nutrients (especially fat soluble ones in liver and egg yolk), and cycling my carbs. I eat more on days I do higher intensity exercise, less on days I don't.

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on November 20, 2011
at 08:15 PM

I said this in response to another post yesterday, but I feel like being very low carb actually made my blood sugar problems much worse. I'd also binge on fruit, and licking honey off the back of a spoon made me drunk.

I also think, for sure, that not eating enough calories gives people reactive hypoglycemia, as I never had any blood sugar problems in my life until I started seriously dieting and not eating enough.

What I find helps is eating whenever I'm hungry, which usually works out to 2-6 times a day depending on how much I eat in one sitting, and making sure the first thing in my mouth is protein or fat. If I eat fruit when I'm hungry, it's usually bad news. But if I eat fruit after a meal, I'm ok. For the most part, I stay away from the really sweet fruits if I can (e.g. mangoes). Also, if I'm eating fruit when what I actually want is a mouthful of steak or cheese, then that always spells disaster, blood-sugar-wise.

This is just experience, hopefully someone more science-y can give us a better answer.

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on November 21, 2011
at 06:28 PM

There is the initial struggle, and then blessed relief for a while.
I've been thinking about doing it again myself. I don't need weight loss, but I keep getting annoyed by binge type behavior. I suppose eating too many raisins is, in the final analysis, much better than eating a whole cheese cake, so I guess I could be a bit more self-congratulatory that my personal failures have become much more reasonable over the years.

I suspect it makes sense to eat fewer carbs in the winter anyway.

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on December 24, 2012
at 07:50 AM

It works for me. After entering ketosis I have no desire/cravings (I don't really have cravings before so maybe not a fair comparison) for any sweet things which includes fruit and even berries. Berries now taste like candy to me.

If you really decide to do please be aware that you'll have an initial phase, which could last for more than one month, of adaption to the diet. You need to give it time to let your body adapt to it. How long that process takes is highly individual. Besides that, you have to supplement with especially sodium as your kidnyes will excrete rapidly on a low carb diet. I've found supplementing with potassium and magnesium very helpful too. Last time I had my fasting blood sugar measured it was 4.2 mmol/l (75.6 mg/dl) and I was perfectly happy, able to cycle, clear mind and no particular hunger.

I think you should really try a low carb diet with carbs in the range of 20-40g/day. But you simply need to take the time to let your body adapt to it! Pleasure is on the other side.

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on December 24, 2012
at 07:22 AM

I'd really recommend ZC all-animal based diet (with high fat), at least give it a try for a month. This means no vegetables/fibers either.

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