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What would you do? (Underground pimples)

Answered on March 30, 2015
Created January 18, 2013 at 5:06 PM

I know there have been many questions about pimples and probiotics - I've read 100s of paleohacks posts - but I want to know what you would do specifically, with the options I have.

Background: vegetarian sugar/wheat addict 10 years, pizza addict 3 years, paleo over 1 year, recently very strict. No grains, very little dairy (cheese is a treat), some potatoes or rice post workout, fruits, meats, liver sausage, and I force down some leafy greens every week - this week it's dandelion leaves. 22 year old female who is trying to fix her gut so she poops more than twice a week.

OK so I started taking a probiotic supplement about 2 months ago and then got decently bad acne. I thought maybe it was the stress of final exams, but then I got these underground pimples on my chin. I stopped taking the supplements and they went away, and now I just have normal forehead acne.

Then about 2 weeks ago I started eating home-made sauerkraut, plain coconut yogurt, kevita and kombucha, plus onion and artichokes which are supposed to be prebiotic, and lemon water for cleansing. Yesterday I had diarrhea, gas, a pain in my left side right under my ribcage, and burping. I woke up with an underground pimple on my chin again.

So from I've read, the bacteria in my colon are battling it out, and as the bad stuff dies (hopefully) it produces gas, and the toxins are leaving via my face, correct? So my question is this: if this was you, would you either, (A) stop all form of pro and pre-biotics, (B) take them less aggressively, for example a serving of sauerkraut every other day and nothing else, or (C) go crazy with the supplements, kraut, coconut yogurt and kombucha to get the detoxification process over with quickly?

Also, if you choose B or C, what would you do to keep the acne under control until the detox is over? I know I need to stop taking showers that are scalding hot, and I saw cavegirleats has some ideas about jojoba oil and castor oil, but what should I do about the underground pimples specifically?

Thank you to this community for all of the information you have already shared with me!

D05f3050dc3d973b8b81a876202fa99a

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on February 03, 2013
at 03:56 AM

I've been taking the supplements about 2-3x a week, hoping to slowly move up to every day. My acne is subsiding, however the kraut and yogurt are giving me bad gas. :(

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on January 28, 2013
at 03:55 PM

So, it has been about 10 days... how is it going? Did you start any supps? Noticing any difference? I thought of this thread because I too have taken up the process of healing the gut in the past few weeks and have been hit hard with pimples.. underground and all around. It sucks, but I find solace in the fact that the supps are working and the bad is coming out.

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

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on January 21, 2013
at 12:02 AM

Yah, Ive tried that. I find it is helpful for heartburn, but I dont think it is nearly powerful enough to heal the lining. You will need something like Glutamine.

564468f093b36d9cdeb8adb138446363

(188)

on January 19, 2013
at 08:28 PM

Also, I'm terrible with dairy, but I handle nuts somewhat better, so I sometimes eat Amande cultured almond-milk "yogurt".

74786bbe8254844304a33943290c4d6d

(1663)

on January 19, 2013
at 04:43 AM

I've never read anything about megadosing B5 and hair loss. *shrug* But I have read conflicting things about aloe vera juice for healing gut lining. It doesn't sound like it's good long term.

D05f3050dc3d973b8b81a876202fa99a

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on January 19, 2013
at 01:30 AM

I read most of his book. Didn't see a whole lot mentioned about acne, but it was a good read none-the-less.

D05f3050dc3d973b8b81a876202fa99a

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on January 19, 2013
at 01:29 AM

Ok I will try to eat it in the morning. Maybe I will kraut it up for a few weeks then add in the supplement like you did. Thanks for sharing!

D05f3050dc3d973b8b81a876202fa99a

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on January 19, 2013
at 01:27 AM

Thanks for the info on fructans. I didn't know artichokes and onion could be problematic! I know for a fact that broccoli gives me gas - I'll have to experiment with artichokes and onion too.

D05f3050dc3d973b8b81a876202fa99a

(1533)

on January 19, 2013
at 01:24 AM

I still have some soy because of salad dressings - but I plan on making my own mayo and dressing this weekend so I can completely ditch the stuff.

D05f3050dc3d973b8b81a876202fa99a

(1533)

on January 19, 2013
at 01:22 AM

I would rather muscle through it too, and it doesn't seem like it's possible to seriously over-dose on probiotics. Having a few days/a week of crazy acne would be a lot more emotionally tolerable than weeks of a little bit of it. I might even pull a Mean Girls and just take a mental health day as it blows through. Thanks for the input!!

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

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on January 18, 2013
at 10:08 PM

Megadosing anything is bad and Megadosing B5 gives many people HAIR LOSS.

D05f3050dc3d973b8b81a876202fa99a

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on January 18, 2013
at 08:08 PM

Ok I think I will knock it down to one small serving of either yogurt or kraut a day in the morning, with less than a cup of kevita or kombucha at night. I'm going to go find some L-glutmine now!

D05f3050dc3d973b8b81a876202fa99a

(1533)

on January 18, 2013
at 08:05 PM

What about magnesium carbonate? The multivitamin my mother gave me has everything you listed, but the magnesium is carbonate.

74786bbe8254844304a33943290c4d6d

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on January 18, 2013
at 07:36 PM

I've used a few, but NOW Foods is the best. I could feel the skin around my nose and chin tingle within minutes of consuming it.

197651282ddd8d675b974ee811d2269e

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on January 18, 2013
at 06:59 PM

What brand of L-glut do you use?

74786bbe8254844304a33943290c4d6d

(1663)

on January 18, 2013
at 06:46 PM

Fasting isn't recommended for women, and especially not if you have adrenal fatigue.

C22d4247268eca3508ac65d55bfb261e

(45)

on January 18, 2013
at 06:14 PM

bolus dose: http://www.amazon.com/Bio-Tech-D3-50-000-100-Caps/dp/B000A0F2B2/ref=sr_1_5?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1355593127&sr=1-5&keywords=vitamin+d

C22d4247268eca3508ac65d55bfb261e

(45)

on January 18, 2013
at 06:13 PM

Just for clarification, I take Selenium and Iodine because my WellnessFX result came back as a pretty bad level of hypothyroidism. So you may not even need those.

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74786bbe8254844304a33943290c4d6d

on January 18, 2013
at 05:42 PM

Your skin is like a third kidney. It filters crap out.

I say SLOW DOWN on the supps and pro/pre-biotics. There is such thing as too-much-of-a-good-thing, and you have too much of many 'good things'!

Onions and artichokes are pre-biotics, so they feed gut flora, but they also cause gas and bloating because they're food for bacteria to nosh on!

I only eat kraut every other day, once a day. I take l-glutamine for healing my gut lining. It is cheap, doesn't taste bad, and does wonders for bowel movements and healing skin. There's a recent post about periorial dermatitis that I wrote up a huge reply to:

http://paleohacks.com/questions/171412/update-anyone-cured-perioral-dermatitis-naturally/171423#171423

I take a probiotic in pill form when/if I feel like it. I don't believe in throwing a million supps, or pounds of fermented foods at your body. Detox doesn't happen overnight! Don't force it, or it won't be pretty.

Pantothenic acid (vitamin B5) is great for acne, and adrenal fatigue as well. I've read people supplementing with 1000-2000mg a day. I'm doing so currently, but I broke out after upping my dose. Apparently, this is normal, and will go away as the body normalizes.

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

(2919)

on January 18, 2013
at 10:08 PM

Megadosing anything is bad and Megadosing B5 gives many people HAIR LOSS.

74786bbe8254844304a33943290c4d6d

(1663)

on January 19, 2013
at 04:43 AM

I've never read anything about megadosing B5 and hair loss. *shrug* But I have read conflicting things about aloe vera juice for healing gut lining. It doesn't sound like it's good long term.

197651282ddd8d675b974ee811d2269e

(1836)

on January 18, 2013
at 06:59 PM

What brand of L-glut do you use?

D05f3050dc3d973b8b81a876202fa99a

(1533)

on January 18, 2013
at 08:08 PM

Ok I think I will knock it down to one small serving of either yogurt or kraut a day in the morning, with less than a cup of kevita or kombucha at night. I'm going to go find some L-glutmine now!

74786bbe8254844304a33943290c4d6d

(1663)

on January 18, 2013
at 07:36 PM

I've used a few, but NOW Foods is the best. I could feel the skin around my nose and chin tingle within minutes of consuming it.

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on March 30, 2015
at 07:55 AM

It depends of what type of acne do you have.??

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on January 19, 2013
at 01:47 AM

Nutrition aside, exfoliation might help. You're shedding toxins and they're getting trapped under your skin.

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7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on January 18, 2013
at 10:00 PM

You may have a problem with fructans. The foods you listed certainly have them, and I suspect the pills probably have them too because they would feed the little beasties in the pills.

This is a common problem for people with IBS, and I've seen a few folks mention they've had to limit their exposure. Here's a page: Fructose ??? the good, the bad ??? and the malabsorbed...

I don't know how good that one is, I just did a google search and looked for something that looked reasonable. Unfortunately this isn't something I am totally familiar with. Hopefully someone who does is still reading paleohacks and can chime in.

I suspect the upshot is- reduce foods and products with fructans and fructose in them, which would mean you could still eat pro-biotics and/or fermented foods, but you'd have buy or make the ones without those things mentioned above.

For me, all I've got to do is avoid wheat, soy (including lethicin), and dairy proteins, and I keep my skin clear. So, if you still have any of this stuff in your diet, get it out too.

D05f3050dc3d973b8b81a876202fa99a

(1533)

on January 19, 2013
at 01:27 AM

Thanks for the info on fructans. I didn't know artichokes and onion could be problematic! I know for a fact that broccoli gives me gas - I'll have to experiment with artichokes and onion too.

D05f3050dc3d973b8b81a876202fa99a

(1533)

on January 19, 2013
at 01:24 AM

I still have some soy because of salad dressings - but I plan on making my own mayo and dressing this weekend so I can completely ditch the stuff.

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06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

on January 18, 2013
at 09:49 PM

Okay, I mostly agree with Primalpat, but I would probably keep hitting the fermented foods pretty hard. I prefer to go thru a couple days of pain while the body adjusts and just muscle thru. I also agree that you need to heal the stomach lining. L-Glutamine is one option.. there are also some formulas out there. I take this: http://www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com/gastro-ULC-K29-90-p-apex-energetics.html

Also, you may have some problems absorbing D and some other vital nutrients so you might consider switching to an emulsified form for a while so it is more easily absorbed by the gut. In the meantime... you just have to be patient with the skin. This is take some time.. just throw on some makeup and call it a day.. or day and just say "screw it."

D05f3050dc3d973b8b81a876202fa99a

(1533)

on January 19, 2013
at 01:22 AM

I would rather muscle through it too, and it doesn't seem like it's possible to seriously over-dose on probiotics. Having a few days/a week of crazy acne would be a lot more emotionally tolerable than weeks of a little bit of it. I might even pull a Mean Girls and just take a mental health day as it blows through. Thanks for the input!!

06bf7b92d77f1ac1d8e3dc9d539d8254

(1649)

on January 21, 2013
at 12:02 AM

Yah, Ive tried that. I find it is helpful for heartburn, but I dont think it is nearly powerful enough to heal the lining. You will need something like Glutamine.

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on January 18, 2013
at 07:38 PM

Matt, what about magnesium carbonate??

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C657d176db6f11f98aeb2a89071e3281

on January 18, 2013
at 06:28 PM

I listened to this interview last night, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDoPwIp71_I and one of the reasons that led Paul Jaminet to writing his book, The Perfect Health Diet, was because of his year long treatment by antibiotics for his acne problems. He described in detail how this diet came from that. Sounds like you are doing a lot of healing things for your body. His book and this interview may help you find the answers you need.

D05f3050dc3d973b8b81a876202fa99a

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on January 19, 2013
at 01:30 AM

I read most of his book. Didn't see a whole lot mentioned about acne, but it was a good read none-the-less.

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on January 18, 2013
at 06:27 PM

It may be worth looking into trying a candida cleanse. I've tried everything else under the sun to clear up my acne for years, and finally a 30 day cleanse with anti-fungals did the trick! Just google candida cleanse and it's the first link to come up. It's relatively easy to follow because the diet is extremely similar to paleo.

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C22d4247268eca3508ac65d55bfb261e

on January 18, 2013
at 06:12 PM

You will learn over the coming weeks what your body likes and what it doesn't.

Here are some things you can do to have more deterministic results:

  1. Your body is struggling a lot, and you don't have a determined approach it seems to battle the issues. It might be time to simplify things so you can narrow down the issues. Get a Allergen test, or even an upgraded blood test from WellnessFX (http://wellnessfx.com)
  2. Drink 8oz of water each hour, to help get the crap out of your system
  3. Get a vibration plate like (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002CVUPQ4/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B002CVUPQ4&linkCode=as2) to help with:

Detoxify and strengthen the immune system (pumps the lymph system thoroughly) Help regain muscle strength and bone density by causing tons of tiny muscles to flex that aren't normally used Strengthen and rebuild the central nervous systems that control things like your balance Reduce recovery time drastically after hard and strenous workouts (You will recover like never before) Increase Testosterone production by 7% Increase Growth hormone production 460% (!!!) Decrease cortisol 27% (!!!)

see http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22922806

  1. Cold showers - strengthens immune system, try doing hot shower for five or ten minutes, then do a cold shower (60 degrees F) for 5-10 min
  2. Intermittent Fasting - help get rid of the 'gunk' by turning on autophagy
  3. Don't worry about too much expenses for all the crazy supplements, I prefer to keep it simple: Vitamin D3, Vitamin A (10,000 IU), Selenium (200 mcg), Iodine (400mcg), Magnesium citrate (NOT oxide) (400mg). Overall these should run you about $20-30 / month MAX, which isn't too bad at all. I tend to do everything except Vitamin D3 each morning after 1-2 tablespoons of coconut oil, followed by two glasses of water. I have found Vitamin D3 to be more effective for me on "bolus doses" ( see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolus_(medicine) ), meaning that I will take (1000 IU / 25lbs of body weight) * 7 days, which is 35,000 IU on Monday morning.
  4. Limit protein and carb intake, have lots of veggies and healthy fats, and limit meat to 1-2 servings/day (6-12oz). I found that after I got situated having a few meals with white rice or sweet potatoes, lots of spinach and veggies, and good brothy soups, as well as eggs sometimes, my body has sort-of rebalanced itself. Then I could eat more or less meat, and enjoy my alcohol/etc.

I used to have acne ALL THE TIME before going Paleo and trying these things. After about 4.5 weeks, I am clean skinned. I even 'forget' to wash my face at night pretty frequently and have no acne. It's a good feeling.

Also, I commit to a once-a-week training program to help with 'smoothing out the edges' : http://mkeas.org/body-by-science

I hope I have helped and that you have success in your endeavor!

74786bbe8254844304a33943290c4d6d

(1663)

on January 18, 2013
at 06:46 PM

Fasting isn't recommended for women, and especially not if you have adrenal fatigue.

C22d4247268eca3508ac65d55bfb261e

(45)

on January 18, 2013
at 06:14 PM

bolus dose: http://www.amazon.com/Bio-Tech-D3-50-000-100-Caps/dp/B000A0F2B2/ref=sr_1_5?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1355593127&sr=1-5&keywords=vitamin+d

D05f3050dc3d973b8b81a876202fa99a

(1533)

on January 18, 2013
at 08:05 PM

What about magnesium carbonate? The multivitamin my mother gave me has everything you listed, but the magnesium is carbonate.

C22d4247268eca3508ac65d55bfb261e

(45)

on January 18, 2013
at 06:13 PM

Just for clarification, I take Selenium and Iodine because my WellnessFX result came back as a pretty bad level of hypothyroidism. So you may not even need those.

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564468f093b36d9cdeb8adb138446363

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on January 18, 2013
at 05:45 PM

ANY amount of dairy gives me acne - your "treat" could be exacerbating acne and other things.

It sounds like you dove in deep with your probiotic intake. After I had antibiotics with surgery in December, I ramped up my probiotic intake too high, and it made me gassy and nauseous. What worked for me was to cut back to 1/4 to 1/2 cup homemade sauerkraut with breakfast for about 2 weeks; then I added a probiotic pill, MegaFlora Plus for about 2 weeks; and right now I'm on the probiotic pill and daily drinking homemade broth/stock. (I don't know if this is just a break from sauerkraut, but I don't have an appetite for it this week.)

A little probiotic can go a long way, but try to eat it first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, 30 minutes before food, so it can work unhindered.

D05f3050dc3d973b8b81a876202fa99a

(1533)

on January 19, 2013
at 01:29 AM

Ok I will try to eat it in the morning. Maybe I will kraut it up for a few weeks then add in the supplement like you did. Thanks for sharing!

564468f093b36d9cdeb8adb138446363

(188)

on January 19, 2013
at 08:28 PM

Also, I'm terrible with dairy, but I handle nuts somewhat better, so I sometimes eat Amande cultured almond-milk "yogurt".

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