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Ray peat diet for acne

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 23, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Should I try it for My acne and skin problems?

Can anyone write a list of foods allowed and not allowed on this diet, having trouble finding information about it and how to do it properly.

My sister also had acne before she went on BC, so I'm guessing the chances are big I have hormonal imbalance. I'm male 22 and had acne for 6 years now. Very very depressed cos of it

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on January 05, 2013
at 02:07 AM

Also try raypeatforum.com

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on August 30, 2012
at 03:23 PM

i have acne and i done amazing with high carb and high fat, so to say low carb is better is incorrect

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on June 01, 2012
at 07:27 AM

I don't think the majority of Peat is incongruent with primal/paleo, he just places a greater emphasis on certain dietary elements, which is what I benefited from. His approach helped me refine "my" paleo into a better version. And he does say a lot of poorly supported things. He should be questioned, as should all gurus, as you say.

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on June 01, 2012
at 07:27 AM

I don't think the majority of Peat (including what I benefited from) is incongruent with primal/paleo, he just places a greater emphasis on certain dietary elements, which is what I benefited from. His approach helped me refine "my" paleo into a better version. And he does say a lot of poorly supported things. He should be questioned, as should all gurus, as you say.

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on June 01, 2012
at 07:23 AM

Much of what you say could of course be true. I don't think the majority of Peat is incongruent with primal/paleo, he just places a greater emphasis on certain dietary elements, which is what I benefited from. His approach helped me refine "my" paleo into a better version. And he does say a lot of strange, weakly supported things. He should be questioned, as should all gurus, as you say.

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on June 01, 2012
at 06:23 AM

Oh, and one more thing - I am not just questioning Ray Peat. I also question Cordain, Rob Wolf and ALL Paleo "gurus". Some things they say/write make even less sense than Ray Peat. For God's sake - Rob Wolf is not even an anthropologist or a doctor, how can he be an expert on any Paleo nutrition?

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on June 01, 2012
at 06:12 AM

.... people who do well on Ray Peat did not have enough bone broth and carbs on Paleo. I mean, if you had bone broth, oranges and grass fed milk every day, would you feel better on Paleo or not? Of course, I do not know for sure. I do not know your dietary history and there are no controlled studies. But I do believe you and thanks for sharing.

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on June 01, 2012
at 06:10 AM

Mscott - thank you for your post. But how is gelatin NOT Paleo? I think both gelatin and bone broth (especially with ears, hoofs, and other parts like that) is even better. Salt is also very Paleo. Dairy... I don't know. Unless it is raw and grass fed. Orange juice- what would happen if you just had some oranges? I do not doubt your account for a second - so now I have heard from 3 people who had a positive Ray Peat experience. My question is - how would you feel if you were on hi-carb Primal? Would you feel better or worse than on Ray Peats? So basically what I am arguing is.....

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on June 01, 2012
at 05:19 AM

Since you were asking VB, I experimented with a lot of Peat's dietary advice over the last few months and feel better for it. Adding salt, gelatin, more dairy, and orange juice to my diet all worked well for me. Gelatin alone has done amazing things for my gut health and I sleep so much better when I have salt. The sugar thing didn't really work for me and I'm not sold on it, so I'm still eating plenty of starchy tubers. But overall my Ray Peat experience was positive. Thought I'd share.

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on May 31, 2012
at 08:30 PM

Oh VB it's fine there's a lot to be questioned in Ray Peats work! After all I'm attacking paleo in a way too with my love for excessive fruit consumption. I just like the guy, that's all :)

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 31, 2012
at 08:03 PM

@Korion - no, I don't know what works for you. You know it better than everybody else. If his diet is better than Paleo - I would do it myself, would not even think twice. Really. But 1. I do not have enough data from others. 2. I do not know how well people on his diet would compare to people on high carb Primal 3. I cannot accept his reasons for eating this or that. Basically, it would be interesting for me to find out what exactly you eat. But I cannot ask a question just for one person - you. I am not attacking Ray Peat. I am questioning his statements. I hope it is okay with you.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on May 31, 2012
at 07:06 PM

EDubs, where does your idea that we naturally lose that ability? Just a sidenote, how would you explain lactose intolerance in children that goes away when they grow up (I'm an example of that)? The milk magically gets digested, suddenly?

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on May 31, 2012
at 07:05 PM

I guess you know better than me what works for me, VB.

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on May 31, 2012
at 06:02 PM

Korion I don't know why you're even bothering.

5e5ff249c9161b8cd96d7eff6043bc3a

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on May 31, 2012
at 06:01 PM

Bad logic. You're applying broad generalizations in a specific instance. Just because "dairy causes acne in lots of people" doesn't mean it will to the asker of this question. Same for your comment about carb ranges. Bottom line is if what you've been trying doesn't work, try something else. Peat is a good alternative.

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on May 31, 2012
at 05:09 PM

2) Milk is the problem. At least pasteurized milk (which is what most people drink. Where I live, it is actually illegal to buy and sell raw milk, which is a whole different issue). Raw milk has lactase in it, so people who have trouble digesting pasteurized milk can often digest raw milk. Korion, it's great that you have had success with this diet, but it just doesn't seem to make that much sense to me other than specific use for therapeutic purposes, maybe

01eb62476756ea980bf8fc048179d4bc

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on May 31, 2012
at 05:04 PM

"Lactose intolerance : milk isn't the problem, you're the problem".??? There are a lot of problems with this statement. 1) We NATURALLY lose our ability to break down lactose. Obviously, certain people come from groups that have adapted to the use of dairy and continue to digest it through adulthood. Good for them, they can keep eating all the dairy that they want.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:53 PM

As for milk, I am sure they have SOME ORGANIC COWS that eat grass in Flandria. But I don't really know. What is Ray Peat's stance on Belgian chocolate? If he is against it... he must go :))))

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:52 PM

I think I know why it worked in your case. My guess is that you have completely depleted your body's resources on LC and VLC and ZC. I bet that just plain Paleo with high amount of starchy veggies and fruits would work for you. But I am eager to hear from other people's stories about Ray Peat's experience. I was even thinking about asking a question about it.

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:19 PM

RP makes a lot of sense to me, probably because my own dietary experiments agree with everything he says atm.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:19 PM

I don't understand your point about lactose intolerance. I guess I'm saying 75% of the adults have something wrong going on in their body that they don't produce enough lactase. Of course I don't "know" them. I'm 20, went to 4 different schools, have practiced several sports, I think I have seen quite some people to confirm that a lot of people do fine on SAD. But again, that isn't the point, the point is that the fact you don't know many people that failed on Ray Peat doesn't mean anything.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 31, 2012
at 03:52 PM

Korion, I don't know hundreds and thousands of people. I wish they all would identify themselves. I only know you - and I actually don't even know you. I assume everything you say is true, but if you know thousands of people, would you be willing to share their email addresses as well?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 31, 2012
at 03:51 PM

@Korion - lactose intolerance? Ray Peat is the problem because, according to most sources " It is estimated that 75% of adults worldwide show some decrease in lactase activity during adulthood." You mean that 75% of all adults have a problem, especially 90% Asians who do not get osteoporosis like the European folks? Korion, I am glad Ray Peat works for you. I would like to hear from thous thousands of people who got better. To me he makes very little sense. Sorry.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on May 31, 2012
at 03:06 PM

VB, are you using the fact that you only know two people who got better on Peat as an argument to illustrate that the diet doesn't work? I know hundreds, thousands of people who do great on the SAD, but that doesn't make it a good diet.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on May 31, 2012
at 03:04 PM

You can eat an orange if you, but not all people tolerate the fibers well. As Danny Roddy puts it : "Lactose intolerance : milk isn't the problem, you're the problem".

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on May 31, 2012
at 02:29 PM

@ eDubs - I agree on the orange part. Why not just eat an orange? And I agree on the milk part too.

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on May 31, 2012
at 12:10 PM

In the case of a lactose intolerance, likely due to hypothyroidism, you need to experiment with salt, sugar, aspirin, calcium, vitamin a and thyroid. Or in other words salt, tons of fruit, tons of fruit, eggshells, liver and thyroid hormone.

01eb62476756ea980bf8fc048179d4bc

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on May 31, 2012
at 12:05 PM

Can you just eat an orange? I don't really get it. Besides, a lot of people can't drink milk. If I drank milk, I would throw up. What now?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on May 31, 2012
at 07:30 AM

Oh and orange juice and milk are not allowed, they're a must.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on May 31, 2012
at 07:29 AM

I wasn't saying Tracy from thelovevitamin eats Peaty, I was just saying she's an example of how diet can cure acne, just in case anyone wasn't convinced yet.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on May 31, 2012
at 07:28 AM

@VB Have you actually read the article you linked to? She says no white rice because it has no nutrients, says that you have to eat whole foods including whole grains. I don't see how that is paleo. It's closer than SAD, but still not great. On the other hand, it's an old article and in the meantime she has started to do paleo. Maybe she just was lucky and managed to clear her skin by removing seed oils from her diet and adding some supps.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on May 31, 2012
at 06:20 AM

I don't like you.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 25, 2012
at 11:58 AM

I have read her diet - it is like Paleo with rice! Here is the link: What makes you think that she is eating Ray Peat?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 25, 2012
at 11:47 AM

@ Korion - If you do not mind me asking, what is the biggest difference? Sugar and milk are allowed? Orange juice?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on May 25, 2012
at 08:49 AM

*"I am yet to see people who got better on Ray Peat. I have not heard from any, and would love to know what they think."* Are you serious? I've yet to see people who didn't get better on Peat... I got way better on Peat. Sleep is perfect right now, just perfect. I can sleep while there's light shining in my room, I never wake up, ... Oh, and I think diet can definitely cure acne, so many people have done this. A good example is http://thelovevitamin.com I personally get no zits anymore on Peats diet, unless I don't eat enough sugar or generally don't eat well.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on May 25, 2012
at 03:23 AM

I appreciate the peatarian link.

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on May 24, 2012
at 07:35 AM

@Lost-and-found Definitely give it a go. It's important to eat enough fruit sugar (as soon as I don't I get hypoglycemic and that's when I get acne, sometimes it takes 10 minutes for a whole zit to grow).

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on May 23, 2012
at 01:40 PM

The best Ray Peat eating guidelines are at this link: http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=419742 A bunch of Peatarians have put together his dietary recommendations by going through his work and asking him questions.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 23, 2012
at 12:15 PM

Could you list the suppliments? Could you list your typical daily menu with drinks and all? Paleo varies widely from Primal to no-fruit no-nuts meat only.

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on May 23, 2012
at 10:16 AM

Pretty much everything suggested on here and have spent thousands of dollars on supplements and other stuff. It won't go away, egen I didnt know better I was on antibiotics and accutane. Acne always came back after treatment.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 23, 2012
at 09:26 AM

If you do not mind me asking, what have you tried so far in terms of diet, supplements, etc.?

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on May 23, 2012
at 12:51 PM

I think the general Peat recommendations for acne involve getting enough Vitamin A (retinol form) from things like dairy products and liver. To this end, you should ensure that your Vitamin D levels are sufficient too.

For more information I would check out raypeat.com, dannyroddy.com and peatarian.com

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on May 25, 2012
at 03:23 AM

I appreciate the peatarian link.

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on January 05, 2013
at 02:07 AM

Also try raypeatforum.com

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on January 05, 2013
at 12:22 AM

Daily's Mincol has been the solution for acne. I know three individuals who had serious acne that completely cleared by taking 6/day.

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on May 31, 2012
at 11:27 AM

If you are looking for something to try I would suggest IF via leangains.

Namely, eating within an 8 hour period every day. I've been doing it for the past few days and apart from some fat loss I also noticed a improvement in my acne (which did not go away after paleo).

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on May 31, 2012
at 05:35 AM

This is really a thing to consider, thank you very much regarding writing about this subject. . !

Acne

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on May 24, 2012
at 07:15 AM

Diet can really help get rid of acne. But each individual is an individual case and there's not a one cure fixes all solution. Also each type of spot is caused by different issues. So you need to know what is going on in your body to get to the root cause. Check out Elaine Mummery Acne Clinic or CureofAcne. you will get some good info there.

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:26 PM

Ray Peat diet is likely not to help you if you have acne. Peat allows dairy and dairy causes acne in lots of people. Peat advocates drinking fruit juice. This can cause an insulin spike and thus acne because fruit juices are rapidly digested. Peat also advocates higher carb diets. People with acne do better at low carb ranges, that is, 50-70 grams a day.

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on May 31, 2012
at 06:01 PM

Bad logic. You're applying broad generalizations in a specific instance. Just because "dairy causes acne in lots of people" doesn't mean it will to the asker of this question. Same for your comment about carb ranges. Bottom line is if what you've been trying doesn't work, try something else. Peat is a good alternative.

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

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on August 30, 2012
at 03:23 PM

i have acne and i done amazing with high carb and high fat, so to say low carb is better is incorrect

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on May 25, 2012
at 02:11 AM

From what I know, acne is a sign of inflammatory damage. I don't think any diet along can fix the root causes of acne, but it would be nice to know what exactly you are eating or NOT eating. Acne/skin problems is just a sign that something is not right on the inside. I would love for you to try Ray Peat and come back and write if it worked for you or not since I have seen so many questions on acne. EDITED/ I am yet to see people who got better on Ray Peat EXCEPT Korion and Danny Roddy. Only two people so far. I have not heard from any more, and would love to know what they think.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on May 31, 2012
at 06:20 AM

I don't like you.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 25, 2012
at 11:58 AM

I have read her diet - it is like Paleo with rice! Here is the link: What makes you think that she is eating Ray Peat?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 25, 2012
at 08:49 AM

*"I am yet to see people who got better on Ray Peat. I have not heard from any, and would love to know what they think."* Are you serious? I've yet to see people who didn't get better on Peat... I got way better on Peat. Sleep is perfect right now, just perfect. I can sleep while there's light shining in my room, I never wake up, ... Oh, and I think diet can definitely cure acne, so many people have done this. A good example is http://thelovevitamin.com I personally get no zits anymore on Peats diet, unless I don't eat enough sugar or generally don't eat well.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 25, 2012
at 11:47 AM

@ Korion - If you do not mind me asking, what is the biggest difference? Sugar and milk are allowed? Orange juice?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 31, 2012
at 07:30 AM

Oh and orange juice and milk are not allowed, they're a must.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 31, 2012
at 02:29 PM

@ eDubs - I agree on the orange part. Why not just eat an orange? And I agree on the milk part too.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 31, 2012
at 08:30 PM

Oh VB it's fine there's a lot to be questioned in Ray Peats work! After all I'm attacking paleo in a way too with my love for excessive fruit consumption. I just like the guy, that's all :)

01eb62476756ea980bf8fc048179d4bc

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on May 31, 2012
at 12:05 PM

Can you just eat an orange? I don't really get it. Besides, a lot of people can't drink milk. If I drank milk, I would throw up. What now?

01eb62476756ea980bf8fc048179d4bc

(374)

on May 31, 2012
at 05:04 PM

"Lactose intolerance : milk isn't the problem, you're the problem".??? There are a lot of problems with this statement. 1) We NATURALLY lose our ability to break down lactose. Obviously, certain people come from groups that have adapted to the use of dairy and continue to digest it through adulthood. Good for them, they can keep eating all the dairy that they want.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 31, 2012
at 12:10 PM

In the case of a lactose intolerance, likely due to hypothyroidism, you need to experiment with salt, sugar, aspirin, calcium, vitamin a and thyroid. Or in other words salt, tons of fruit, tons of fruit, eggshells, liver and thyroid hormone.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 31, 2012
at 07:06 PM

EDubs, where does your idea that we naturally lose that ability? Just a sidenote, how would you explain lactose intolerance in children that goes away when they grow up (I'm an example of that)? The milk magically gets digested, suddenly?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 31, 2012
at 04:19 PM

RP makes a lot of sense to me, probably because my own dietary experiments agree with everything he says atm.

01eb62476756ea980bf8fc048179d4bc

(374)

on May 31, 2012
at 05:09 PM

2) Milk is the problem. At least pasteurized milk (which is what most people drink. Where I live, it is actually illegal to buy and sell raw milk, which is a whole different issue). Raw milk has lactase in it, so people who have trouble digesting pasteurized milk can often digest raw milk. Korion, it's great that you have had success with this diet, but it just doesn't seem to make that much sense to me other than specific use for therapeutic purposes, maybe

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

(12682)

on June 01, 2012
at 05:19 AM

Since you were asking VB, I experimented with a lot of Peat's dietary advice over the last few months and feel better for it. Adding salt, gelatin, more dairy, and orange juice to my diet all worked well for me. Gelatin alone has done amazing things for my gut health and I sleep so much better when I have salt. The sugar thing didn't really work for me and I'm not sold on it, so I'm still eating plenty of starchy tubers. But overall my Ray Peat experience was positive. Thought I'd share.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 31, 2012
at 03:06 PM

VB, are you using the fact that you only know two people who got better on Peat as an argument to illustrate that the diet doesn't work? I know hundreds, thousands of people who do great on the SAD, but that doesn't make it a good diet.

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on May 31, 2012
at 06:02 PM

Korion I don't know why you're even bothering.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on June 01, 2012
at 07:27 AM

I don't think the majority of Peat (including what I benefited from) is incongruent with primal/paleo, he just places a greater emphasis on certain dietary elements, which is what I benefited from. His approach helped me refine "my" paleo into a better version. And he does say a lot of poorly supported things. He should be questioned, as should all gurus, as you say.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 31, 2012
at 07:28 AM

@VB Have you actually read the article you linked to? She says no white rice because it has no nutrients, says that you have to eat whole foods including whole grains. I don't see how that is paleo. It's closer than SAD, but still not great. On the other hand, it's an old article and in the meantime she has started to do paleo. Maybe she just was lucky and managed to clear her skin by removing seed oils from her diet and adding some supps.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 31, 2012
at 03:51 PM

@Korion - lactose intolerance? Ray Peat is the problem because, according to most sources " It is estimated that 75% of adults worldwide show some decrease in lactase activity during adulthood." You mean that 75% of all adults have a problem, especially 90% Asians who do not get osteoporosis like the European folks? Korion, I am glad Ray Peat works for you. I would like to hear from thous thousands of people who got better. To me he makes very little sense. Sorry.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 31, 2012
at 08:03 PM

@Korion - no, I don't know what works for you. You know it better than everybody else. If his diet is better than Paleo - I would do it myself, would not even think twice. Really. But 1. I do not have enough data from others. 2. I do not know how well people on his diet would compare to people on high carb Primal 3. I cannot accept his reasons for eating this or that. Basically, it would be interesting for me to find out what exactly you eat. But I cannot ask a question just for one person - you. I am not attacking Ray Peat. I am questioning his statements. I hope it is okay with you.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on May 31, 2012
at 07:29 AM

I wasn't saying Tracy from thelovevitamin eats Peaty, I was just saying she's an example of how diet can cure acne, just in case anyone wasn't convinced yet.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 31, 2012
at 03:52 PM

Korion, I don't know hundreds and thousands of people. I wish they all would identify themselves. I only know you - and I actually don't even know you. I assume everything you say is true, but if you know thousands of people, would you be willing to share their email addresses as well?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:19 PM

I don't understand your point about lactose intolerance. I guess I'm saying 75% of the adults have something wrong going on in their body that they don't produce enough lactase. Of course I don't "know" them. I'm 20, went to 4 different schools, have practiced several sports, I think I have seen quite some people to confirm that a lot of people do fine on SAD. But again, that isn't the point, the point is that the fact you don't know many people that failed on Ray Peat doesn't mean anything.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on June 01, 2012
at 06:12 AM

.... people who do well on Ray Peat did not have enough bone broth and carbs on Paleo. I mean, if you had bone broth, oranges and grass fed milk every day, would you feel better on Paleo or not? Of course, I do not know for sure. I do not know your dietary history and there are no controlled studies. But I do believe you and thanks for sharing.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on June 01, 2012
at 07:23 AM

Much of what you say could of course be true. I don't think the majority of Peat is incongruent with primal/paleo, he just places a greater emphasis on certain dietary elements, which is what I benefited from. His approach helped me refine "my" paleo into a better version. And he does say a lot of strange, weakly supported things. He should be questioned, as should all gurus, as you say.

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on May 31, 2012
at 03:04 PM

You can eat an orange if you, but not all people tolerate the fibers well. As Danny Roddy puts it : "Lactose intolerance : milk isn't the problem, you're the problem".

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on May 31, 2012
at 07:05 PM

I guess you know better than me what works for me, VB.

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:53 PM

As for milk, I am sure they have SOME ORGANIC COWS that eat grass in Flandria. But I don't really know. What is Ray Peat's stance on Belgian chocolate? If he is against it... he must go :))))

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on June 01, 2012
at 06:10 AM

Mscott - thank you for your post. But how is gelatin NOT Paleo? I think both gelatin and bone broth (especially with ears, hoofs, and other parts like that) is even better. Salt is also very Paleo. Dairy... I don't know. Unless it is raw and grass fed. Orange juice- what would happen if you just had some oranges? I do not doubt your account for a second - so now I have heard from 3 people who had a positive Ray Peat experience. My question is - how would you feel if you were on hi-carb Primal? Would you feel better or worse than on Ray Peats? So basically what I am arguing is.....

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:52 PM

I think I know why it worked in your case. My guess is that you have completely depleted your body's resources on LC and VLC and ZC. I bet that just plain Paleo with high amount of starchy veggies and fruits would work for you. But I am eager to hear from other people's stories about Ray Peat's experience. I was even thinking about asking a question about it.

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on June 01, 2012
at 07:27 AM

I don't think the majority of Peat is incongruent with primal/paleo, he just places a greater emphasis on certain dietary elements, which is what I benefited from. His approach helped me refine "my" paleo into a better version. And he does say a lot of poorly supported things. He should be questioned, as should all gurus, as you say.

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on June 01, 2012
at 06:23 AM

Oh, and one more thing - I am not just questioning Ray Peat. I also question Cordain, Rob Wolf and ALL Paleo "gurus". Some things they say/write make even less sense than Ray Peat. For God's sake - Rob Wolf is not even an anthropologist or a doctor, how can he be an expert on any Paleo nutrition?

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