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Goats Milk + Acne

Commented on February 11, 2014
Created January 17, 2014 at 5:37 AM

Hi guys, well...i'm not really feeling so balanced with my diet...I get about 1500 a day, and i'm an athlete. I green smoothie and eat about 500 calories of animal protein a day

I don't really like eggs, and I don't like nut butters

So..I don't really know what else to eat high calorie?

I'm going to try and find some tallow at whole foods? I'm never hungry? And I don't think i'm in starvation mode. I'm a healthy 121 and have good muscle mass.

Anyways, I'm always trying to keep my skin clear and milk is just taboo! The hormones in it and blah, I just don't even know...it's so complex, but what about goat milk?

I am so craving something creamy and rich, and miss greek yogurts creamy goodness. I want to try some greek goat yogurt...but I'm not quite sure if goat milk will cause acne like cows? I don't even really get how milk affects some people while others can drink gallons of processed milk and be fine...the hormones are going in their body...I guess just not affecting them...? Don't get how that's possible.

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on February 11, 2014
at 12:36 PM

It's true that bacteria cause the pimples, however, they don't occur if you take out the dairy. There is something in dairy that facilitates pimple generation, probably the hormones from the cow, although it may be something else in the dairy.

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on February 11, 2014
at 12:20 AM

Pimples is caused by bacteria not eating dairy...

20ac82f380131cafc52db2cb2fbb144a

on February 11, 2014
at 12:19 AM

Pimples is caused by bacteria, I will not give up my dairy those who have are nuts...!

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on January 18, 2014
at 04:56 PM

Yeah, you do need more calories. Bring it up to near 2000 and make some of them carbs, which you can eat after you run (or maybe before - try and see which works best)

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on January 18, 2014
at 12:24 AM

I just know I need more calories, but don't "feel it" you know? It scares me a bit. Ooo la la! Totes making that yogurt!

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on January 18, 2014
at 12:23 AM

I'm 5 foot 7 and i'm a competitive runner, but I mean I run for about 40 mins a day, and life twice a week. I don't know it that's super intense but it's intense enough... I weigh 119 and feel healthy...

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on January 17, 2014
at 09:57 PM

Example. I just put in 5 foot, 21 year old 119lbs female into that site, BMR for those numbers is 1337, for an extreme athlete, it would be 2406.6 calories/day. I don't know your height or age, but I'm guessing, you'd be undereating. Playing with the height 4' vs 6', there's not too big a difference, just a few hundred calories. Playing with the age, the older you are the less calories it seems to think you'd need. Either way, it seems to say 1500 is too low for an athlete.

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on January 17, 2014
at 09:52 PM

Since you're an athlete, you'd use 1.7 to 1.9 as a factor. So if your BMR is 1500 calories, you'd need to eat almost 2x that. I don't like calorie counting, but this is a rough value, and if you're too low, your health will go down very quickly and you'll start to signal cortisol and experience adrenal fatigue. Not fun.

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on January 17, 2014
at 09:50 PM

Maybe. We can do things to turn off our hunger. Coffee for example turns off our hunger signal, as does going low carb and IF. Paradoxically, eating, especially carbs, causes hunger. Since you didn't list your height, and age, I can't put the numbers in for you, so please go here:

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/ and then here:

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/harris-benedict-equation/ and multiply the calories you've got on the 1st page with the factor on the 2nd page.

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on January 17, 2014
at 09:47 PM

Yes. Ooh, look what I found:

http://www.culturesforhealth.com/make-coconut-milk-yogurt-recipe I think I'm going to make some myself.

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on January 17, 2014
at 04:53 PM

Oh! And that 1000 calorie meal sounds great! a lb of beef and a can of coconut milk!? That's it to get 1000 calories? Cause a can of coconut milk is only about 400 calories at the most, right? And then a lb of beef is like...400 to 500?

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on January 17, 2014
at 04:49 PM

yeah! I never understand why some people get acne from dairy and others don't...I know our bodies aren't all the same, but I think hormones and receptor sites are all the same? Know what I mean? Yeah, if have poor nutrition and such, i'm sure tough proteins in cow milk may be too much for us! Hunter gatherers probably ate fermented anyways! I may just give some goat kefir a try! My skin is relatively clear now **knock on wood** don't wanna have it blow up!

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on January 17, 2014
at 04:46 PM

My weight is 119 and i'm an athlete, lean with muscle mass. I dunno if it's cause I eat a lot of raw food...but I just am full on 1500 calories and I think that's weird cause everyone eats around 2000?

Wouldnt I be more hungry if I needed to be?

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on February 11, 2014
at 01:56 AM

Goat and Sheep milk products are all I eat. I understand where you are coming from with Cow Milk. It completely destroys me and causing acne, GI issues, and the like. Whereas, goat milk I never have an issue unless I decide to gorge on it. Not sure where you live, but here in the mid-Atlantic we have a store named Wegman's and they have 30 to 40 different types of goat's milk cheese, yogurt, butter, you name it.

I'd say try it out and see how it goes!

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on January 17, 2014
at 03:32 PM

Typically the acne is caused by the estrogen and other hormones in the milk. Switching to goat dairy might not fix the issue - you could try and see. I have the same issue.

I've no lactose issues at all, but I do have a casein issue - almost any cow dairy will cause very bad acid reflux - one of same reactions I have to grains. Some dairy, such as butter or even organic heavy cream from cows without hormones, or anything from goats, sheep, or buffalo doesn't cause this reaction - but I do still get body acne from it the next day.

I don't notice this effect from grassfed butter (kerrygold), or ghee from grassfed cows... so perhaps some of it is the extra hormones given to CAFO cows that attaches to their ears, or maybe it gets removed from the butter making process somehow. So, maybe wait a week or so until the acne goes away and give grassfed butter a try without any other sources of dairy and see if it comes back. If it doesn't, you can use it. And if that works for you, you can make a bulletproof coffee with it.

You could try other sources of fat... avocado is very creamy and can be made into smoothies - makes them a very ugly shade of green, but if you can get past that, they're very tasty. Coconut oil/cream/milk, red palm oil (although red palm oil this is more suited for making curries). Cocoa butter is excellent, but very expensive - so maybe a bar of dark chocolate?

Supposedly So Delicious makes a fermented coconut milk yogurt like thing, that might work for you. I've never seen it myself, but I did see they make ice cream from coconut milk - the only downside is their ice cream is made with agave nectar which is almost all fructose, so it's not something I'd eat often - maybe only after a big glycogen depleting workout. I think the ice cream also has some thickeners that might be questionable - like guar gum or something like that.

Robb Wolf had an interesting thing in terms of a 1000 calorie meal: 1lbs of ground grassfed beef, 1 can of coconut milk, diced onion, salt, and whatever spices you like - makes something between a chilli or curry. I add in a few tablespoons of turmeric, a teaspoon of cumin, a few tablespoons of red palm oil, a few minced garlic cloves, salt, tabasco, pickled serrano peppers and a half a teaspoon of powdered cayenne pepper. Turns out very tasty. When you get bored, change the spices around, or maybe use diced chicken.

BTW, 1500 calories a day sounds a bit low to me. You might want to assess your daily needs here

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/ - and then figure out from your activity levels the multiplier for that number as to what you really need each day. Basal Metabolic Rate for most humans (the number of calories you need to just lie down in bed unconscious without doing anything all day) is around 1500-2000 calories, so only eating 1500 calories sounds very much on the low side (depends on your height and weight as well).

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on January 17, 2014
at 04:53 PM

Oh! And that 1000 calorie meal sounds great! a lb of beef and a can of coconut milk!? That's it to get 1000 calories? Cause a can of coconut milk is only about 400 calories at the most, right? And then a lb of beef is like...400 to 500?

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(78)

on January 17, 2014
at 04:46 PM

My weight is 119 and i'm an athlete, lean with muscle mass. I dunno if it's cause I eat a lot of raw food...but I just am full on 1500 calories and I think that's weird cause everyone eats around 2000?

Wouldnt I be more hungry if I needed to be?

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on January 17, 2014
at 08:03 AM

I totally know where you're coming from. When I first started paleo, I didn't immediately cut out dairy. But I became frustrated that I still had a major acne problem, so a few weeks into it I went cold turkey with all milk products--yogurt, milk, cheese, etc.

After doing paleo for a year, I was able to reintroduce cheese, whole milk (goat and cow) and kefir with NO acne problems whatsoever. From what I read, it's because of having a healthy gut--so make sure you have a good balance of foods healthy for your gut and abandon foods that could be detrimental (grains & sugar!). Make sure to regularly eat fermented foods or kefir/yogurt and stay AWAY from nonorganic dairy products. Also, I suggest raw goat milk if you can... the taste is superior.

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on January 17, 2014
at 04:49 PM

yeah! I never understand why some people get acne from dairy and others don't...I know our bodies aren't all the same, but I think hormones and receptor sites are all the same? Know what I mean? Yeah, if have poor nutrition and such, i'm sure tough proteins in cow milk may be too much for us! Hunter gatherers probably ate fermented anyways! I may just give some goat kefir a try! My skin is relatively clear now **knock on wood** don't wanna have it blow up!

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on January 17, 2014
at 05:50 AM

I went dairy-free after cutting out gluten and getting pimples from what I think was my increased dairy/cheese intake. The only dairy I really eat now is goat cheese for salad and grass-fed butter. All my acne went away. This is just anecdotal of course, but for me goat cheese seems to have less of an impact than cow milk. However, most sources say for hormone reasons they are pretty much the same.

20ac82f380131cafc52db2cb2fbb144a

on February 11, 2014
at 12:20 AM

Pimples is caused by bacteria not eating dairy...

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