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Anyone adults that still get zits even after living paleo for over one year?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created December 31, 2010 at 1:05 PM

Im 31 years old, male, athletic, fit, strict paleo for over one year. For five years prior to this i was hardcore WAP. So, i feel ive been living and eating healthily for a good amount of time. However, i still get occasional zits. And they are not after what many call a cheatmeal. not to sound cheaky but i just dont have cheat meals.

At this point ive kind of stopped caring but i am indeed curious:

how many people out there still get zits even after living clean?

I do indeed believe that zits appear from your body being inflamed or just in bad shape, not due to improper skincare. But alas, walking the walk as i am happy doing, i still get the occasional white head. thanks as always.

D7b01bbfd0b91a12c4aea43fb20adf15

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on September 23, 2011
at 06:50 PM

and what did you substitute the calories from chocolate and fat with?

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

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on September 23, 2011
at 06:45 PM

Yeah, cow's butter breaks me out, but goat's does not, so maybe you can try that? Coconut oil doesn't upset my face, but it does bother my tummy. I never tried ghee, though. :)

D7b01bbfd0b91a12c4aea43fb20adf15

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on September 23, 2011
at 06:30 PM

did you try ghee or coconut oil as substitutes?

D7b01bbfd0b91a12c4aea43fb20adf15

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on September 23, 2011
at 06:28 PM

did vitamin D reduce the oiliness of your skin?

D7b01bbfd0b91a12c4aea43fb20adf15

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on September 23, 2011
at 06:26 PM

did butter elimination work? I have suspicions regarding butter as well? what about ghee or coconut oil?

D7b01bbfd0b91a12c4aea43fb20adf15

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on September 23, 2011
at 06:19 PM

roughly how much % fat per day do you consume? as soon as I increased my fat intake, my skin got oily again which worries me as a sign of androgen activity.

1ac8e976f84cb2566ecfbbcce1817351

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on January 23, 2011
at 04:01 PM

What brand ghee do you use?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on January 13, 2011
at 12:05 AM

and i stopped eating butter. I have been dairy-free for six months but i had been using butter only. I tossed that out straight away.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on January 13, 2011
at 12:05 AM

it seems that eliminating the sugar from my diet has helped. To be clear, the only sugar there was was in the bit of Lindt 85% chocolate that we'd snack on for dessert. Small amounts of sugar relatively but its there. So, i just quit that altogether and ive been good since then. I think it was also the stress of the holidays.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on January 02, 2011
at 04:23 PM

OK, what about the first three question ^^?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on January 02, 2011
at 04:02 PM

teeth are good. growing up it was all cavities etc so im full of fillings now as an adult. but i havent had a tooth pain or cavity in over seven years now. i brush twice daily with baking soda and salt. floss twice a day, too. no problems there.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on January 02, 2011
at 12:36 PM

Also how is your dental health ?

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on January 01, 2011
at 06:45 PM

Previous antibiotics usage ? Any gut flora problems ? How are your stools ?

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

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on January 01, 2011
at 02:50 AM

Still have skin issues with "gluten mistakes"

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

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on January 01, 2011
at 02:33 AM

My skin improved when I ditched butter for ghee

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on December 31, 2010
at 11:53 PM

i actually kind of always have a food journal going. Ive never been able to link a zit here or there with any food. I wonder if its the butter. Well, tomorrow is new years so looks like ill do no-butter january and see how we fare. cheers for the timely idea.

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on December 31, 2010
at 09:23 PM

So that means you consume dairy. Why not try cooking with fat or oil for a bit and see if it helps?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on December 31, 2010
at 05:21 PM

Thanks for such a thorough reply. I do indeed wash my pillow case once per week religiously. Twice per week I will start. And I'm totally starting the washcloth with water only wash. I love the support these boards get me.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on December 31, 2010
at 04:27 PM

That's my point, living "this" way is too broad. You'll find near zero incidence without inflammation

25ed4acfb632d928507f8673bcb0923a

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on December 31, 2010
at 04:17 PM

Part of "living right" may in fact be what you do (or do not do) to your skin, no? Paleolithic hunter-gatherers did not have soap or other fancy cleansers. Their method was no method. Water, maybe a natural scrub every now and then. Your skin maintains an mildly acidic level that naturally inhibits bacteria on its own.

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on December 31, 2010
at 03:30 PM

zero dairy and zero fruit for me. i suppose i get bits of fructose in some veg that i think may contain some. i think you, and others in this thread, are onto it when you mention stress. oh and i dont think have any qualms with the paleo way of eating and living regarding my sporadic zits. No way, i think its the way to eat all the way; i was just curious as to how many other adults living this way still got some zits.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on December 31, 2010
at 03:27 PM

i think you're on to something with the mention of stress. At prior times in my life i've thought that i had little breakouts when under stress.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on December 31, 2010
at 03:26 PM

i dont consume any dairy other than butter.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on December 31, 2010
at 03:26 PM

no i dont consume any dairy other than butter.

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

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on December 31, 2010
at 02:40 PM

2nding the hormonal thing. I've decided that's probably the reason why I still get little bumps from time to time.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on December 31, 2010
at 01:14 PM

thanks for the link. im definitely looking into that. ive heard bits about it before. I just have to say that i still feel any "treatment" like even the wholesome oil-pulling strikes me as bandaid-y in nature. In other words, my theory has always been that if you eat right, live right, there shouldnt be zits arising in the first place, which would make any skin treatment (even the body-friendly ones like this oil-pulling) unnecessary. Know what i mean?

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25ed4acfb632d928507f8673bcb0923a

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on December 31, 2010
at 04:06 PM

I've lived with acne a great portion of my adult life, and it is not as simple as zits = inflammation or zits can be cured with diet only. Acne is a combination of many factors: bacteria, hormones, genes (some people do not shed follicle skin correctly so the follicle tends to get blocked), diet, acidity of the skin, and environment. I'll share what has worked for me (no zits in years). Caveat: I know you said you didn't believe in acne being the result of skincare, but in my experience and those of others bacteria on the skin is a major contributor along with other factors.

  • Most important: Wash your pillow cases. At least twice a week. And flip your pillow so you get a fresh side almost every night. Pillow cases are a breeding ground for bacteria.
  • Use a fresh washcloth every day if you do use one on your face (again to minimize bacteria transfer).
  • Minimize the use of soap on your face. Soap or cleansers will only encourage oil production. Instead use plain water and possibly a washcloth exfoliation every other day.
  • Keep your skin acidic. Do not use regular soap. Washing your face with yogurt or glycolic acid will keep bacteria at bay and acts as an exfoliant. I used to be able to get jars of glycolic acid at Walgreens.
  • Absolutely get plenty of sleep.
  • Supplement with magnesium if needed.
  • Last resort: try an elimination test with butter. Although milk contributes to my break out potential, butter has not affected me. So I'm not sure about this one.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on December 31, 2010
at 05:21 PM

Thanks for such a thorough reply. I do indeed wash my pillow case once per week religiously. Twice per week I will start. And I'm totally starting the washcloth with water only wash. I love the support these boards get me.

D7b01bbfd0b91a12c4aea43fb20adf15

(574)

on September 23, 2011
at 06:19 PM

roughly how much % fat per day do you consume? as soon as I increased my fat intake, my skin got oily again which worries me as a sign of androgen activity.

3
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on January 12, 2011
at 10:56 PM

I struggled with the hormonal cystic acne. My dermatologist had me on everything: retin a, benzoyl peroxide, topical antibiotics, salycilic acid, zinc, microderms and skin peels. I thought I was doomed to use minocycline antibiotics for the rest of my life. I had been on antibiotics for two full years and still having cystic acne (albeit milder) when I discovered paleo. After six months of paleo, i was still breaking out, but a little less so i quit taking the antibiotics on a leap of faith. For three months the breakouts were even worse and my chin was inflamed and painful to the touch. Then I am guessing that my gut somewhat healed from the long term antibiotic use. I took probiotic pills for 60 days, drank kombucha, kefir, and ate fermented sauerkraut and pickles. I was still breaking out, but it was less uncomfortable and more manageble. THEN, i got serious about increasing my vitamin D levels. I started taking 8,000 IU a day for 30 days, and now I am taking 6,000 a day for maintenance during the winter. (I have not had bloodwork, so I don't know what my levels are, but I just followed some sensible recommendations from PaNu and this website for the dosage). I have not had a breakout in two months. Absolutely what worked for me was Vitamin D supplementation. And not only just a cessation of the acne, there is a marked improvement in my skin quality as well that can only be described as a "glow". It really is amazing. I suppose it could be that one year of paleo finally kicked the acne, but I did not see any real improvement until a few months of vitamin D supplementation.

D7b01bbfd0b91a12c4aea43fb20adf15

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on September 23, 2011
at 06:28 PM

did vitamin D reduce the oiliness of your skin?

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74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

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on December 31, 2010
at 08:06 PM

All dairy breaks me out, including butter. I went without consuming any dairy for months on stretch, and when I reintroduced butter, the spots returned.

I hate to deprive you of some food that you enjoy very much, but perhaps you should take a closer look at the butter.

Have you tried a food journal? For instance, write down what you eat for a week or two, then note when the zits appear, and try to trace them back to the source? Good luck!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on December 31, 2010
at 11:53 PM

i actually kind of always have a food journal going. Ive never been able to link a zit here or there with any food. I wonder if its the butter. Well, tomorrow is new years so looks like ill do no-butter january and see how we fare. cheers for the timely idea.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on September 23, 2011
at 06:45 PM

Yeah, cow's butter breaks me out, but goat's does not, so maybe you can try that? Coconut oil doesn't upset my face, but it does bother my tummy. I never tried ghee, though. :)

D7b01bbfd0b91a12c4aea43fb20adf15

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on September 23, 2011
at 06:26 PM

did butter elimination work? I have suspicions regarding butter as well? what about ghee or coconut oil?

1
531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

on December 31, 2010
at 03:08 PM

Sounds like it's elimination diet experiment time.

Perhaps look at milk/cheese, eggs, and nightshades. Personally, I also have a bad time with high-oxalate foods like spinach. I cannot tolerate cruciferous vegetables like broccoli. Too bad, goes well with bacon fried in the grease.

All these foods can cause inflammation. Inflammation manifests itself in all manner of skin conditions, including zits.

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

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on January 01, 2011
at 02:33 AM

My skin improved when I ditched butter for ghee

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

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on January 01, 2011
at 02:50 AM

Still have skin issues with "gluten mistakes"

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on December 31, 2010
at 03:26 PM

i dont consume any dairy other than butter.

B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

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on December 31, 2010
at 09:23 PM

So that means you consume dairy. Why not try cooking with fat or oil for a bit and see if it helps?

1ac8e976f84cb2566ecfbbcce1817351

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on January 23, 2011
at 04:01 PM

What brand ghee do you use?

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1f70da0b737e9c6e7679a248f4228a01

on December 31, 2010
at 01:38 PM

I get a few zits once a month, on the first day or so of menstruation, but that's probably not your cause.

I also get zits if I've had to wear heavy make-up (for theatre performances, etc) - but again, probably not your problem.

However, I would say your issues most likely come for my latter cause - environmental factors. It doesn't take much to clog a pore - sweat and dirt from walking your dog, for instance. Cleansing thoroughly whilst avoiding harsh agents is the best way to rectify this situation. Making sure your bedding is clean is also important, since sweat and dirt can build up on pillows in particular.

But don't ignore hormonal factors, as even males can produce sebum faster than they can clear it away during some peak times of the month. My partner notices that he tends to break out when he's very stressed.

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

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on December 31, 2010
at 02:40 PM

2nding the hormonal thing. I've decided that's probably the reason why I still get little bumps from time to time.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on December 31, 2010
at 03:27 PM

i think you're on to something with the mention of stress. At prior times in my life i've thought that i had little breakouts when under stress.

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A727956fa3f943057c4edb08ad9e864e

on December 31, 2010
at 01:10 PM

I posted about the oil cleansing method in another thread:

http://www.theoilcleansingmethod.com/

You breakout as you unblock the oil flow at first but then your face is clear and glowing.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on December 31, 2010
at 01:14 PM

thanks for the link. im definitely looking into that. ive heard bits about it before. I just have to say that i still feel any "treatment" like even the wholesome oil-pulling strikes me as bandaid-y in nature. In other words, my theory has always been that if you eat right, live right, there shouldnt be zits arising in the first place, which would make any skin treatment (even the body-friendly ones like this oil-pulling) unnecessary. Know what i mean?

25ed4acfb632d928507f8673bcb0923a

(650)

on December 31, 2010
at 04:17 PM

Part of "living right" may in fact be what you do (or do not do) to your skin, no? Paleolithic hunter-gatherers did not have soap or other fancy cleansers. Their method was no method. Water, maybe a natural scrub every now and then. Your skin maintains an mildly acidic level that naturally inhibits bacteria on its own.

0
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on January 12, 2011
at 10:13 PM

any progress? i'm in a similar situation.

cara http://primroseandpaleo.wordpress.com

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on January 13, 2011
at 12:05 AM

it seems that eliminating the sugar from my diet has helped. To be clear, the only sugar there was was in the bit of Lindt 85% chocolate that we'd snack on for dessert. Small amounts of sugar relatively but its there. So, i just quit that altogether and ive been good since then. I think it was also the stress of the holidays.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on January 13, 2011
at 12:05 AM

and i stopped eating butter. I have been dairy-free for six months but i had been using butter only. I tossed that out straight away.

D7b01bbfd0b91a12c4aea43fb20adf15

(574)

on September 23, 2011
at 06:30 PM

did you try ghee or coconut oil as substitutes?

D7b01bbfd0b91a12c4aea43fb20adf15

(574)

on September 23, 2011
at 06:50 PM

and what did you substitute the calories from chocolate and fat with?

0
89e238284ccb95b439edcff9e123671e

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on December 31, 2010
at 02:38 PM

Although I'm not really sure about this personal experiment (I very rarely have zits), but I have got the feeling that dairy (not butter) is related.

Do you eat/drink dairy?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on December 31, 2010
at 03:26 PM

no i dont consume any dairy other than butter.

0
4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

on December 31, 2010
at 01:17 PM

Zits= inflammation.

Some people still have inflammation on paleo and have to find and resolve what that inflammation is from.

Whether it's stress, fructose, mineral deficiency, food allergy, etc. Paleo is far too broad to categorize by success or failure in achieving this.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on December 31, 2010
at 03:30 PM

zero dairy and zero fruit for me. i suppose i get bits of fructose in some veg that i think may contain some. i think you, and others in this thread, are onto it when you mention stress. oh and i dont think have any qualms with the paleo way of eating and living regarding my sporadic zits. No way, i think its the way to eat all the way; i was just curious as to how many other adults living this way still got some zits.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on December 31, 2010
at 04:27 PM

That's my point, living "this" way is too broad. You'll find near zero incidence without inflammation

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